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Mr_Tomahawk 09-22-2012 08:22 PM

***Official Laundry Jones Sucks Thread***
 
Do not want.



That's all.

SAUTO 09-22-2012 08:23 PM

I thought it was Landry Cassel
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Sully 09-22-2012 08:23 PM

He is horrible.
After the reviewed "incomplete pass" I pretty much knew he'd be a chief next year.

Mr_Tomahawk 09-22-2012 08:24 PM

Shup.

BigMeatballDave 09-22-2012 08:35 PM

Pioli will draft him.

Mr_Tomahawk 09-22-2012 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8936183)
Pioli will draft him.

Turn your rep on. :mad:

007 09-22-2012 08:36 PM

Guy only seems to be good in a hurry up offense.

Old Dog 09-22-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8936191)
Turn your rep on. :mad:

+1 would net -2

In58men 09-22-2012 08:41 PM

Pioli goes after Cassels twin Barkley. Then we're stuck with a knockoff Cassel for 4 years. By that time Cody Kessler will be available for trade. He's the only USC QB I'm waiting for right now.

qabbaan 09-22-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8936191)
Turn your rep on. :mad:

ROFL

Bump 09-22-2012 08:45 PM

****, that's probably gonna be our QB next year.

MOTHER**** YOU PIOLI

007 09-22-2012 08:47 PM

Matt cassel 2.0

BigMeatballDave 09-22-2012 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8936191)
Turn your rep on. :mad:

LMAO

Mr_Tomahawk 09-22-2012 08:52 PM

Laundry Jones just went full Cassel.

Unsmooth-Moment 09-22-2012 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8936283)
Laundry Jones just went full Cassel.

Never go full Cassel

milkman 09-22-2012 09:02 PM

Mr. Tomahawk, I can't think of one thing we have ever agreed on.

I've considered you a complete dumbass.

But you see the sukage of Landry Jones, so I guess the dumbassery isn't quite complete.

Mr_Tomahawk 09-22-2012 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8936332)
Mr. Tomahawk, I can't think of one thing we have ever agreed on.

I've considered you a complete dumbass.

But you see the sukage of Landry Jones, so I guess the dumbassery isn't quite complete.

You slut.




























:toast:

ILChief 09-22-2012 09:07 PM

QBOTF

Predarat 09-22-2012 09:25 PM

He would do well as an understudy for PayINT manning.

Reerun_KC 09-22-2012 09:43 PM

Becareful. Laundry has lots of supporters here. They will post articles and videos.

okcchief 09-22-2012 09:46 PM

People have ****ed with me at work for 2 years that the Chiefs can draft Landry Jones. That would be the final ****ing straw for me. I've said he reminds of of Cassel for a while. Complete garbage.

Bump 09-22-2012 09:53 PM

you guys know that Pioli has Landry #1 on his board.

okcchief 09-22-2012 10:01 PM

Keep all sharp objects away from me if Pioli is still here and he drafts porn stache.

Mr_Tomahawk 10-06-2012 01:43 PM

He reminds me so much of Cassel; it's scary.

[OU vs. TT on now]

Titty Meat 10-06-2012 01:47 PM

That was a good throw. I'd like smith or Barkley round 1 Jones in round 4 to replace stanzi and Kolb as our veteran backup QB

Quesadilla Joe 10-13-2012 11:08 AM

Quote:

) Oklahoma QB Landry Jones (vs. Texas, Noon ET, ABC): Jones' numbers haven't plummeted, but his stock has in the eyes of NFL folks. "He would've been a late-first or early-second (round pick) last year," one college scout said. "Now, he looks like a mid-round pick, based on this early part of the year." One of the primary issues? How Jones reacts to adversity. The scout said Jones "has all the tools we look for in a quarterback, but if he gets hit a couple times, he's done. Lots of skill, absolutely -- great size, good arm, accurate, tons of production the last three years. But he's killing himself. ... He shows he can do everything we want him to do, he just hasn't shown he can do it consistently in pressure situations. He's great if his team gets a lead early and mixes it up on offense. If they get behind, and he's got to lead them back with a defense pinning their ears back, he struggles." As is the case with Logan, a big game and national spotlight provides a chance for Jones to change the narrative.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ffense#college

KCUnited 10-13-2012 11:10 AM

I liked how they took him out in goal line and ran the wildcat for the TD. Franchise.

Coach 10-13-2012 11:11 AM

I een watching this game, and while he looks OK, he still has way too many balls batted up in the air.

I do not want any part of Landry Jones at all.

Reerun_KC 10-13-2012 11:14 AM

But he is accurate and has a rocket arm. / cp


Dude sucks. Drafting Jones is franchise death.

Dante84 10-13-2012 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 9007571)
I liked how they took him out in goal line and ran the wildcat for the TD. Franchise.

Watching your first OU game in a while?

KCUnited 10-13-2012 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 9007596)
Watching your first OU game in a while?

First one this year, yes.

RealSNR 10-13-2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9007585)
But he is accurate and has a rocket arm. / cp


Dude sucks. Drafting Jones is franchise death.

I haven't seen a single Landry Jones supporter around here in two years. Have you?

Reerun_KC 10-13-2012 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9007615)
I haven't seen a single Landry Jones supporter around here in two years. Have you?

Yes. And I.can't find the thread. It was a Barkley thread too. People were lining in his defense. I.suck at the search feature.

Coach 10-13-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9007657)
Yes. And I.can't find the thread. It was a Barkley thread too. People were lining in his defense. I.suck at the search feature.

Regardless, you won't see me in Barkley or Jones supporters at all.

Mr. Laz 10-13-2012 11:55 AM

Ha Ha ... **** texass

Mr. Laz 10-13-2012 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9007585)
Dude sucks. Drafting Jones is franchise death.

but we must draft a QB in the 1st round, it's the only way to get to the super bowl. If we miss, we miss ... but we have to try. /CP

BigMeatballDave 10-13-2012 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9007671)
but we must draft a QB in the 1st round, it's the only way to get to the super bowl. If we miss, we miss ... but we have to try. /CP

:facepalm:

You still have to draft the right one, dumbass.

It's rarely ever as easy as drafting Andrew Luck, but any buffoon with a modicum of football knowledge knows Landry is not the guy.

No way he goes in the 1st.

BigMeatballDave 10-13-2012 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9007585)
But he is accurate and has a rocket arm. / cp

Who the **** says that?

RealSNR 10-13-2012 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9007671)
but we must draft a QB in the 1st round, it's the only way to get to the super bowl. If we miss, we miss ... but we have to try. /CP

You're an idiot.

qabbaan 10-13-2012 01:15 PM

Nobody is going to pick him in the first, sheesh

Nightfyre 10-13-2012 01:31 PM

I haven't seen any Landry Jones love anywhere. Just another ree post to put in line with his other 38,000 ree posts.

Coach 10-13-2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qabbaan (Post 9007833)
Nobody is going to pick him in the first, sheesh

Some dumbass GM probably will, unfortunately.

rico 10-27-2012 09:04 PM

I asked this on the college game thread, but I think people are too pre-occupied with the games to answer. When I look at 2013 mock drafts and college QB rankings, I want to know why Landry Jones is still often mentioned as a potential first round pick. I literally just can't comprehend it....can someone please explain to me why I keep seeing this? Is it because he showed little flashes when he filled in for an injured Bradford in 2009? Is it the after math of some of the perceived flashes in 2010? Seriously, I don't get it....what is the deal with this kid? He reminds me of a future Matt Cassel who started in college, in which I am fully convinced that if Cassel would have beaten Leinart out for the starting spot at USC as he was expected by many to do, he would be the same suckage that he is and has become....just more experienced suckage. Jones has always appeared very limited and bone-headed to me. Can someone please shed some light?

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 09:22 PM

Game on Laundrys shoulders.

...and the ball goes between his legs on a shotgun snap. FML

That is casselesque right there...

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 09:24 PM

I have a sick feeling that if Pioli somehow remains our GM next season...he will pull some shit and Laundry will be our QB next season. fml

rico 10-27-2012 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9055405)
I have a sick feeling that if Pioli somehow remains our GM next season...he will pull some shit and Laundry will be our QB next season. fml

He does seem to be Pioli's type of man.

AussieChiefsFan 10-27-2012 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8936283)
Laundry Jones just went full Cassel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 8936292)
Never go full Cassel

http://i.imgur.com/AQ0UV.png

Reerun_KC 10-27-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9007861)
I haven't seen any Landry Jones love anywhere. Just another ree post to put in line with his other 38,000 ree posts.

:facepalm:

Reerun_KC 10-27-2012 10:19 PM

This guy is absolute garbage. Dudes draft stock is dropping faster than mine.

Nightfyre 10-28-2012 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9055512)
:facepalm:

Point being: everyone on cp hates landry because we've all watched him. He's cassel with an arm. I do not support landry.

Reerun_KC 10-28-2012 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9055747)
Point being: everyone on cp hates landry because we've all watched him. He's cassel with an arm. I do not support landry.

There was a thread where I took a beatdown bashing laundry. I remember the conversation but can't find the thread. I.posted a Barkley vs Jones video also. There were some here defending Jones pretty heavily.

Pasta Giant Meatball 10-28-2012 07:32 AM

This dude is garbage.

Sorter 10-28-2012 10:00 AM

Thought I should Gif this thread the **** up!


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http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-conten...S-BLOCKING.gif
http://gif.mocksession.com/2011/12/landry-jones-derp/
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DJ's left nut 10-29-2012 11:21 AM

Alright, I'm gonna get murdered here, but SNR gave a half-hearted endorsement of Jones w/ a later pick so I figured I'd give him a second look.

I had him compared to Kyle Boller in my previous QB comparison sheet but I think I undersold him a little.

Jones isn't a 1st round QB and he's not a 2nd round QB. He may be, however, worth a 3rd round flyer if you have already drafted Smith, Wilson or Bray in the first. He could be our version of Kirk Cousins backing up RGIII.

Even in that clip above, watch some of the things he's doing there. He does a great job with his drop back (keeps his feet under him and shuffles them fast to the point). He keeps his hands high in his drop back as well, which should help him a great deal to keep his release speed up.

As I watched him in the ND game, I saw a ton of stuff that the kid actually does right. He stays up on his toes and is constantly 'popping' his feet, which should allow him to scan the field very quickly. His release is good, but not great. He loops the ball back just a little more than I'd like to see, but it's certainly adequate and I think it can be sped up a bit.

His arm strength is obviously top notch and his mechanics should lend themselves to being accurate. They're fairly conventional, so they should be easily repeatable. His accuracy doesn't look like it will be elite, but he can get it to average, IMO. He drives the nose of the ball down, telling us that he gets very good velocity out of his hand as well. He should be able to throw a tremendous deep ball.

He also has as good a QB build as anyone in the draft. He should be able to take a big hit and keep on trucking.

The same people that loved them some Foles or Cousins seem to hate this guy and I think that's just nuts. Jones is every bit the QB prospect as either of those guys. I also think he's a better prospect than everyone's favorite in Russell Wilson, but I see enough separation in styles, etc... to understand why people prefer Wilson over Jones.

The biggest problem for Jones is going to be that he's a victim of hype. If people would have just called Jones a 3rd round prospect all along, I think we'd be more inclined to look at his strengths than his weaknesses and we could get behind him as a backup option and possible developmental arm to be traded in a year or two if he is able to come along well.

If a team takes Jones and slowly brings him along, I think they can get more of a Flacco level QB, or perhaps the Josh Freeman we're seeing this season.

He can't be our savior at the position, but I would absolutely be behind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd.

Sorter 10-29-2012 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062448)
I also think he's a better prospect than everyone's favorite in Russell Wilson

I love your takes DJ but this is where I stopped reading.

Russell is a much better player, leader, and actually performs in the clutch. Additionally, Wilson had experience in 2 different pro-philosophies and is a better passer. His mobility is also another tool that Jones will never have.

Sorry, but to me Jones isn't remotely close to the kind of prospect Wilson is. Wilson's only knock was his height; not his decision making, scheme, or anything else.

Saul Good 10-29-2012 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062448)
Alright, I'm gonna get murdered here, but SNR gave a half-hearted endorsement of Jones w/ a later pick so I figured I'd give him a second look.

I had him compared to Kyle Boller in my previous QB comparison sheet but I think I undersold him a little.

Jones isn't a 1st round QB and he's not a 2nd round QB. He may be, however, worth a 3rd round flyer if you have already drafted Smith, Wilson or Bray in the first. He could be our version of Kirk Cousins backing up RGIII.

Even in that clip above, watch some of the things he's doing there. He does a great job with his drop back (keeps his feet under him and shuffles them fast to the point). He keeps his hands high in his drop back as well, which should help him a great deal to keep his release speed up.

As I watched him in the ND game, I saw a ton of stuff that the kid actually does right. He stays up on his toes and is constantly 'popping' his feet, which should allow him to scan the field very quickly. His release is good, but not great. He loops the ball back just a little more than I'd like to see, but it's certainly adequate and I think it can be sped up a bit.

His arm strength is obviously top notch and his mechanics should lend themselves to being accurate. They're fairly conventional, so they should be easily repeatable. His accuracy doesn't look like it will be elite, but he can get it to average, IMO. He drives the nose of the ball down, telling us that he gets very good velocity out of his hand as well. He should be able to throw a tremendous deep ball.

He also has as good a QB build as anyone in the draft. He should be able to take a big hit and keep on trucking.

The same people that loved them some Foles or Cousins seem to hate this guy and I think that's just nuts. Jones is every bit the QB prospect as either of those guys. I also think he's a better prospect than everyone's favorite in Russell Wilson, but I see enough separation in styles, etc... to understand why people prefer Wilson over Jones.

The biggest problem for Jones is going to be that he's a victim of hype. If people would have just called Jones a 3rd round prospect all along, I think we'd be more inclined to look at his strengths than his weaknesses and we could get behind him as a backup option and possible developmental arm to be traded in a year or two if he is able to come along well.

If a team takes Jones and slowly brings him along, I think they can get more of a Flacco level QB, or perhaps the Josh Freeman we're seeing this season.

He can't be our savior at the position, but I would absolutely be behind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd.

I agree, and I'll add one more thing. The reason people don't like him as much as some of the other mid-round darlings its that purple around here have seen to much of him. People who loved Foles our Lindley, or whomever, hardly ever saw them play. They may have seen some highlights or a good game or two, but they have seen Landry ten times, and that is more than enough to take the shine off.

If you aren't a top of the first round QB, you've got some MAJOR flaws. Period. In fact, mid-round QBs are almost never legit NFL starters. You're more likely to find a franchise QB at the bottom of the draft or even as a UDFA than with picks 50-150.

DJ's left nut 10-29-2012 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9062464)
I love your takes DJ but this is where I stopped reading.

Russell is a much better player, leader, and actually performs in the clutch. Additionally, Wilson had experience in 2 different pro-philosophies and is a better passer. His mobility is also another tool that Jones will never have.

Sorry, but to me Jones isn't remotely close to the kind of prospect Wilson is. Wilson's only knock was his height; not his decision making, scheme, or anything else.

I know, folks love Wilson.

I see so very little about him to be impressed by. He has a decent game every now and then, but c'mon, if Jones had the games that Wilson's had this year, we'd be barbequing him as an inconsistent trainwreck.

He's had 3 legitimately awful games this year, 2 good games and then a bunch of 'meh' games in between. Worse still, one of his good games was that game against Dallas where you or I could've quarterbacked them to a W; I've not seen a team get physically manhandled that badly all season, including the Chiefs. His game against the Packers was a mess, I don't care what the stats say (and the gift TD made that passer rating look a hell of a lot better).

Moreover, he just isn't projectable as a passer; he's physically maxed out, IMO. People are still killing Barkley for his arm strength but it's better than Wilson's.

He's the Golden Child for a lot of guys on the board and I am well aware of it. I just don't see it. He won't be a starting QB in 3 years, IMO.

Like I said, they're different enough guys that I'll give the people that like him a pass; there are clearly separations between the two that could make people like Wilson over Jones. That said, I don't buy them. Wilson may be one of those guys that gets taken along for the ride by a superior defense one of these days, but he's never going to be anything more than a barely adequate NFL quarterback.

He's a guy that any team with designs on a championship should be looking to replace, IMO. The hype around a short, erratic QB with questionable accuracy and decision-making is fairly nuts to me.

Sorter 10-29-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062520)
I know, folks love Wilson.

I see so very little about him to be impressed by. He has a decent game every now and then, but c'mon, if Jones had the games that Wilson's had this year, we'd be barbequing him as an inconsistent trainwreck.

He's had 3 legitimately awful games this year, 2 good games and then a bunch of 'meh' games in between. Worse still, one of his good games was that game against Dallas where you or I could've quarterbacked them to a W; I've not seen a team get physically manhandled that badly all season, including the Chiefs. His game against the Packers was a mess, I don't care what the stats say (and the gift TD made that passer rating look a hell of a lot better).

Moreover, he just isn't projectable as a passer; he's physically maxed out, IMO. People are still killing Barkley for his arm strength but it's better than Wilson's.

He's the Golden Child for a lot of guys on the board and I am well aware of it. I just don't see it. He won't be a starting QB in 3 years, IMO.

Like I said, they're different enough guys that I'll give the people that like him a pass; there are clearly separations between the two that could make people like Wilson over Jones. That said, I don't buy them. Wilson may be one of those guys that gets taken along for the ride by a superior defense one of these days, but he's never going to be anything more than a barely adequate NFL quarterback.

He's a guy that any team with designs on a championship should be looking to replace, IMO. The hype around a short, erratic QB with questionable accuracy and decision-making is fairly nuts to me.


I disagree with most of this post but mainly the bolded part. You're entitled to your opinion and you're not a dunce. I enjoy these discussions. I'll provide a more in-depth analysis of Wilson v. Jones later if you'd like and I'd love for you to go over it.

DJ's left nut 10-29-2012 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9062539)
I disagree with most of this post but mainly the bolded part. You're entitled to your opinion and you're not a dunce. I enjoy these discussions. I'll provide a more in-depth analysis of Wilson v. Jones later if you'd like and I'd love for you to go over it.

Hey - this ain't Dane here, I'll take a look at whatever you've got (Sorry, Dane...)

The problem with Wilson's arm strength is one of pure leverage. On intermediate routes, he can't get on top of the ball and fire into seams. Watch his 'bullets' on intermediate routes - the nose is up on most of them. That gives something of a float effect to the ball and makes it easier for DBs to drive on them and knock them away.

It's less of a deep ball concern, where you're putting so much arch on it that it's getting over the line fairly easily anyway, than it is an out route or even crossing pattern problem. He can't get on top of the ball and drive it down into areas. It may only cost him 1/2 a second on a 15 yard pass, but that 1/2 a second is enough to get it batted away. He has to be much crisper and much cleaner with his decisions than a guy like Jones or even Barkley (though Barkley's also a little shortish) would have to be because they can buy a little time on those routes by getting up on their toes, getting on top of the ball and rifling it downhill. Wilson only has that option if his line has given him a clear line of sight and throwing lane, and if they did so at the exact moment that his WR comes into that lane. It happens, but it's certainly not ideal.

That's actually where I was incredibly impressed with Jones Saturday. That kid can throw a rocket 20 yards up the seam in his sleep. He can stay on top of the ball and drive it through coverage. Because of his height, the ball spends most of its flight on a downward plane and it just sticks right into those small windows. DBs have very little chance to make a play on the ball if he doesn't telegraph it.

Unfortunately, sometimes he does. That's where Jones has to develop his game. His physical skills, however, are immense.

Saul Good 10-29-2012 12:03 PM

Wilson has a considerably bigger arm than Barkley. He's never going to be anything more than a well below average NFL starter, though.

Sorter 10-29-2012 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062591)
Hey - this ain't Dane here, I'll take a look at whatever you've got (Sorry, Dane...)

The problem with Wilson's arm strength is one of pure leverage. On intermediate routes, he can't get on top of the ball and fire into seams. Watch his 'bullets' on intermediate routes - the nose is up on most of them. That gives something of a float effect to the ball and makes it easier for DBs to drive on them and knock them away.

It's less of a deep ball concern, where you're putting so much arch on it that it's getting over the line fairly easily anyway, than it is an out route or even crossing pattern problem. He can't get on top of the ball and drive it down into areas. It may only cost him 1/2 a second on a 15 yard pass, but that 1/2 a second is enough to get it batted away. He has to be much crisper and much cleaner with his decisions than a guy like Jones or even Barkley (though Barkley's also a little shortish) would have to be because they can buy a little time on those routes by getting up on their toes, getting on top of the ball and rifling it downhill. Wilson only has that option if his line has given him a clear line of sight and throwing lane, and if they did so at the exact moment that his WR comes into that lane. It happens, but it's certainly not ideal.

That's actually where I was incredibly impressed with Jones Saturday. That kid can throw a rocket 20 yards up the seam in his sleep. He can stay on top of the ball and drive it through coverage. Because of his height, the ball spends most of its flight on a downward plane and it just sticks right into those small windows. DBs have very little chance to make a play on the ball if he doesn't telegraph it.

Unfortunately, sometimes he does. That's where Jones has to develop his game. His physical skills, however, are immense.

I definitely agree that Landry has some great physical tools. To me, that is what is maddening about him and his lack of development the last 2 years, along with his inability to complete throws under pressure.

Saul Good 10-29-2012 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062591)
Hey - this ain't Dane here, I'll take a look at whatever you've got (Sorry, Dane...)

The problem with Wilson's arm strength is one of pure leverage. On intermediate routes, he can't get on top of the ball and fire into seams. Watch his 'bullets' on intermediate routes - the nose is up on most of them. That gives something of a float effect to the ball and makes it easier for DBs to drive on them and knock them away.

It's less of a deep ball concern, where you're putting so much arch on it that it's getting over the line fairly easily anyway, than it is an out route or even crossing pattern problem. He can't get on top of the ball and drive it down into areas. It may only cost him 1/2 a second on a 15 yard pass, but that 1/2 a second is enough to get it batted away. He has to be much crisper and much cleaner with his decisions than a guy like Jones or even Barkley (though Barkley's also a little shortish) would have to be because they can buy a little time on those routes by getting up on their toes, getting on top of the ball and rifling it downhill. Wilson only has that option if his line has given him a clear line of sight and throwing lane, and if they did so at the exact moment that his WR comes into that lane. It happens, but it's certainly not ideal.

That's actually where I was incredibly impressed with Jones Saturday. That kid can throw a rocket 20 yards up the seam in his sleep. He can stay on top of the ball and drive it through coverage. Because of his height, the ball spends most of its flight on a downward plane and it just sticks right into those small windows. DBs have very little chance to make a play on the ball if he doesn't telegraph it.

Unfortunately, sometimes he does. That's where Jones has to develop his game. His physical skills, however, are immense.

What you are describing is a height issue, not an arm strength issue.

Sorter 10-29-2012 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Too (Post 9062608)
What you are describing is a height issue, not an arm strength issue.

This, IMO. He seems to get plenty of velocity of deep outs/corners when he needs to and I have seen several passes down the seam that appear to have zip.

DJ's left nut 10-29-2012 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Too (Post 9062608)
What you are describing is a height issue, not an arm strength issue.

I suppose that's a fair read.

Call it a 'velocity' issue then. When I think of arm strength, I'm not talking about a guy's ability to throw it 70 yards, I'm thinking more about his working arm strength - his ability to put the ball into tight spaces that are closing rapidly.

I also look at the ability to generate that velocity with a quick release as part of one's arm strength (this is where Cassel fails so badly; his arm is actually adequate, he just needs 20 acres and no defenders in order to actually generate the power in it, as opposed to someone like Jones that can do it with a wrist flip).

If you want to call it a height problem instead of an arm strength problem, that's fine. In either event, there's an actual physical hurdle keeping him from getting balls into tight spaces that a guy like Jones or Barkley would have an easier job overcoming.

Wilson could do it if he developed uncanny accuracy and timing, but I don't think he will.

Sorter 10-29-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062659)

Wilson could do it if he developed uncanny accuracy and timing, but I don't think he will.

I think Carroll's belief in a WCO is a perfect fit, as it will require him to work on those skills and develop them.

ChiefsCountry 10-29-2012 12:25 PM

Landry Jones screams to me Dallas Cowboys 3rd round pick to me.

DJ's left nut 10-29-2012 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9062681)
I think Carroll's belief in a WCO is a perfect fit, as it will require him to work on those skills and develop them.

Carroll's offense could work wonders for him, I'll give you that. I'm mostly thinking of him as a prospect, not as a QB in a particular scheme.

He's being allowed to roll out a little bit and use his legs to find the space and generate that leverage by simply moving around the mess in the center of the field.

If you aren't going to utilize a west coast scheme, however, I think you'd struggle pretty mightily w/ Wilson as your QB.

Sorter 10-29-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062693)
Carroll's offense could work wonders for him, I'll give you that. I'm mostly thinking of him as a prospect, not as a QB in a particular scheme.

He's being allowed to roll out a little bit and use his legs to find the space and generate that leverage by simply moving around the mess in the center of the field.

If you aren't going to utilize a west coast scheme, however, I think you'd struggle pretty mightily w/ Wilson as your QB.

Totally. Wilson in Norv's scheme would be hilarious, IMO.

I do think that when you evaluate QBs, you take into consideration what kind of philosophies might highlight their strengths and hide their weaknesses. Ideally, you have a QB you can throw into any scheme and they'll produce but that is pretty rare, IMO.

Example, if the Chiefs were to hire Gruden, I wouldn't be as upset with Barkley as our pick as if Saunders was running the O.

Another example would be Flacco being a great fit for Cameron's Coryell O.

saphojunkie 10-29-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9056429)
Thought I should Gif this thread the **** up!


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The only thing that depresses me about drafting a QB in the first is missing out on one of this year's best prospects, and my top choice, Manti Te'o.

Nightfyre 10-29-2012 12:48 PM

If I were gonna be sad about missing out on a prospect, it would be jarvis jones.

saphojunkie 10-29-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9062762)
If I were gonna be sad about missing out on a prospect, it would be jarvis jones.

Jarvis is a beast.

Te'o is the guy you can build your defense around. He is an anchor. He was the #1 defender coming out of high school and has done nothing but get better every year.

Jarvis Jones should be really good at the NFL level. Really, really good.

But I put my money on Te'o as having the best chance to go to multiple probowls for the same team. He's as close to getting a guaranteed Urlacher/Seau/Lewis type player as you can hope for.

I've been screaming his name from the hilltops since he was in high school. I'm wildly biased, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong...

Nightfyre 10-29-2012 12:56 PM

They are both great players, no doubt.

saphojunkie 10-29-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9062779)
They are both great players, no doubt.

Throw in Mingo, Lotulelei, Hankins and Demontre Moore, and there are a TON of front seven guys that should be strong considerations in the top 10.

Saul Good 10-29-2012 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9062793)
Throw in Mingo, Lotulelei, Hankins and Demontre Moore, and there are a TON of front seven guys that should be strong considerations in the top 10.

Janoris Jenkins

Gravedigger 10-29-2012 01:16 PM

The easiest barometer for this argument is will he win us the game when we're down? Landry Jones will not. I want a QB that announcers on the television and all major media outlets say "You can't give him the ball with that much time left on the clock!" I want the opposing team fearing our QB over every other player on our team and that includes Jamaal Charles. You get that guy, you make it impossible for teams to stack the box and dominate our Oline. This is basic knowledge, and not Cassel, nor Jones, nor Quinn, nor Stanzi, nor any other FA will give us that fear that a rookie quarterback like Smith and Barkley will do. Give that to me this offseason and I'll be back next season.

Sorter 10-29-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Too (Post 9062811)
Janoris Jenkins

Wut?

Saul Good 10-29-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9062834)
Wut?

Meant Jarvis Jones...

DJ's left nut 10-29-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 9062829)
The easiest barometer for this argument is will he win us the game when we're down? Landry Jones will not. I want a QB that announcers on the television and all major media outlets say "You can't give him the ball with that much time left on the clock!" I want the opposing team fearing our QB over every other player on our team and that includes Jamaal Charles. You get that guy, you make it impossible for teams to stack the box and dominate our Oline. This is basic knowledge, and not Cassel, nor Jones, nor Quinn, nor Stanzi, nor any other FA will give us that fear that a rookie quarterback like Smith and Barkley will do. Give that to me this offseason and I'll be back next season.

More often than not, when you're met with the words "The easiest barometer for this argument..." and then a wall of text, that wall of text is going to be simplistic and not terribly helpful.

This is one of those times.

By your argument, Tim Tebow is the lord of all quarterbacks ever created while Tom Brady and yes, even Peyton Manning (who was criticized for never winning the big one at Tennessee) would be busts.

There is no 'easy barometer' for deciding who your QB should be. If you're content with going with the 'winner' analysis; so be it. You're going to end up with a lot of plucky washouts like Josh Huepel, Jason White and Ken Dorsey for your troubles.

And if you go with every toolsy QB in the draft, you'll end up with a fair number of Ryan Leafs and Kyle Bollers.

That's why you have to throw away "easy barometers", learn your shit and use your eyes. Even then, you'll be wrong on occasion (there are people who's opinions I respect that really love R. Wilson; one of us is going to be wrong there).

But at least try to be more informed than "He's a winner!" I thought that shit died in 1963.

ChiefsandO'sfan 01-23-2013 04:18 PM

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Chiefs 1 on 1

RealSNR 01-23-2013 04:19 PM

Glennon and Jones. :shake:

Why don't you interview some QBs who don't suck their mother's diarrhea through a straw like it's a ****ing juice box, Mr. Not Josh Looney?


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