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Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:06 PM

Bill Polian rumors start
 
ROFL

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...Buzz-6686.html

Quote:

*Look for former Colts executive Bill Polian to get back into the league after the season.

The grapevine says the Chiefs are the frontrunners for his services, should they part ways with Scott Pioli. Polian got his NFL start in Kansas City as a pro scout in 1978, so it would be fitting if he ended his career there. Getting back in the league will allow Polian to bring along son Chris Polian and give his career a boost.

The younger Polian became an area scout with the Falcons after being fired as general manager of the Colts. This time around though, look for Bill Polian’s role to be all football. He no longer wants to be involved in all aspects of an organization.

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 01:07 PM

Depends who we hire as coach for me to hate the hiring of Polian.

Deberg_1990 12-07-2012 01:08 PM

Id be ok with it. At least you know he would take a 1st round QB.

ChiefsCountry 12-07-2012 01:08 PM

Mecca would be happy.

Bowser 12-07-2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9187869)
Depends who we hire as coach for me to hate the hiring of Polian.

If it does turn out to be Polian as GM, do our chances of getting a retread coach go up or down?

Molitoth 12-07-2012 01:09 PM

Yup. All depends on the coach.
The good thing about it is that Polian KNOWS the importance of the QB position.

Ace Gunner 12-07-2012 01:09 PM

Marvelous:D

http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/s...y-06-04-09.jpg

nychief 12-07-2012 01:10 PM

we'll have Polian and Mike Sherman... watch.

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:11 PM

He will be 70 next year.

Soooo, yeah.

Not as much of a concern if he was HC obviously but, still a concern to me.

Ace Gunner 12-07-2012 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9187882)
He will be 70 next year.

Soooo, yeah.

Not as much of a concern if he was HC obviously but, still a concern to me.

actually your concern should be anger management classes to prevent you from hurting folks after Piholi & RAC(!) draft Jarvis Jones:D

Deberg_1990 12-07-2012 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9187875)
If it does turn out to be Polian as GM, do our chances of getting a retread coach go up or down?

Welcome Dom Capers to KC!

Chief_For_Life58 12-07-2012 01:14 PM

hopefully pioli and polian belcher themselves together so we can get someone better. polian and his son left the colts a big pile of dog sh#t

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9187875)
If it does turn out to be Polian as GM, do our chances of getting a retread coach go up or down?

Well I believe everywhere he's coached he's hired a retread.

chiefzilla1501 12-07-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9187870)
Id be ok with it. At least you know he would take a 1st round QB.

Barf.

We go from a regime that idiotically believes we can win without a QB to a regime that believes they can with only a QB.

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9187894)
Barf.

We go from a regime that idiotically believes we can win without a QB to a regime that believes they can with only a QB.

Yeah that's not entirely true. See the Bills and Panthers.

Besides, the Colts had a very good offensive line, great receivers and an offense built to play with a lead during Manning's prime. It wasn't all him.

Flame away...we could do worse, that's for sure.

ptlyon 12-07-2012 01:17 PM

Sounds too much like Piloli for my taste

Chief_For_Life58 12-07-2012 01:17 PM

saying that, id still be down with polian he knows the nfl overall. hes no fraud

htismaqe 12-07-2012 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9187893)
Well I believe everywhere he's coached he's hired a retread.

How many of them were 2nd or 3rd-time coaches that hadn't won a Super Bowl?

Look, if you're playing the percentages, that that is EXACTLY the kind of coach you want.

The Buffalo Bills were Marv's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

The Colts were Dungy's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

Is that not what we want?

Fansy the Famous Bard 12-07-2012 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9187907)
How many of them were 2nd or 3rd-time coaches that hadn't won a Super Bowl?

Look, if you're playing the percentages, that that is EXACTLY the kind of coach you want.

The Buffalo Bills were Marv's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

The Colts were Dungy's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

Is that not what we want?

So Haley is going to take us to the Superbowl! Sa-weeeet!

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9187907)
How many of them were 2nd or 3rd-time coaches that hadn't won a Super Bowl?

Look, if you're playing the percentages, that that is EXACTLY the kind of coach you want.

The Buffalo Bills were Marv's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

The Colts were Dungy's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

Is that not what we want?

This is why I keep pounding the desk for Andy Reid.

htismaqe 12-07-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9187911)
This is why I keep pounding the desk for Andy Reid.

I'm not fired up for Reid but I wouldn't argue against it, either.

I am a big believer in historical trends, that is all.

Lex Luthor 12-07-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9187901)
Sounds too much like Piloli for my taste

Exactly.

Bill Polian Was Fired Because Jim Irsay Wanted His Team Back


By Brad Wells on Jan 3, 11:37a

Why did Jim Irsay fire his longtime top personnel executive and friend Bill Polian? The truth is the Colts owner wanted control of his franchise back. It's really just that simple.

I've never had to fire someone under my employment for 14 years. I've never had to tell a friend I've known for 30 years that, sorry, we just can't hang out in public together anymore. I've also never had to fire the son of my friend of 30 years, a son I've likely watched grow up right before my eyes.

On Monday, to the shock of many in the NFL, Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay did all those things, firing his longtime friend and team personnel executive, Bill Polian. Also sent packing was Polian's eldest son, Colts general manager Chris Polian.

Black Monday in the NFL is the Monday after the regular season finale, and the day is often reserved for teams and owners that wish to make changes within their organization as quickly as possible. This year, Black Monday began with two coaching terminations that many expected: Steve Spanuolo in St. Louis and Raheem Morris in Tampa Bay.

RELATED: The Colts Are Now Free To Move On From Peyton Manning
Then, the news started trickling out of Indianapolis' West 56th Street complex that there would be "significant change" within the Colts organization.

For people wired into the team, the general feeling was something would happen in Indianapolis on Black Monday, but no one could agree on what. What folks did agree on was that the futures of Bill Polian, Chris Polian, and head coach Jim Caldwell were tenuous in Indianapolis, with Caldwell being the most likely to get served his walking papers on Monday.

By the end of the day, it was Bill and Chris who were shown the door rather unceremoniously, leaving Jim Caldwell amazingly still employed by the Colts as the head coach.

Why? Why did Jim Irsay fire his longtime chief personnel executive and friend? Why did he seemingly dump the man who resurrected his franchise from the bowels of irrelevancy in 1998 and transformed it into a pillar of the NFL? Was it because the Colts just had a bad year? Had Irsay gotten so spoiled by nine straight years of playoff appearances that one 2-14 season was enough to make him go all Dan Synder on Polian?

The truth is Jim Irsay wanted control of his franchise back. It's really just that simple.

For 14 years, the executive-type that was most frequently associated with the Colts was Bill Polian, a man defined by genius-level gifts of intellect and gargoyle-level fits of paranoid megalomania, all at once. Polian was both respected and loathed in league circles. Everyone praised his draft record and the fact that he helped rebuild not one, not two, but THREE NFL franchises.

Everyone also rolled their eyes and sighed whenever they had to talk about "that time" they had to deal with Polian face-to-face.

All throughout his career, Bill Polian had a less than fuzzy relationship with the media, especially if they were local press wired into the team. Polian was obsessed with information control, and in the modern age of Twitter, Facebook, and websites like this one, being a freak about every little word uttered by anyone within your organization is a recipe for disaster. For Polian, he saw new communications technology, and the local media in general, as a threat to himself and his team.

Literally, a threat.

There are famous stories of him once telling the Buffalo media (back when he was the G.M. there) that if they didn't like the way he did things, they could get the hell out of the building. Seriously, a man working in a small market like Buffalo was actually so pissed off at their tiny media there that he wanted them kicked out of the building.

In Indianapolis, the stories were similar. Local media often spoke with me about Polian refusing to even speak with the Colts beat writer who worked for the only major newspaper in Indianapolis, The Indianapolis Star. This beat writer had covered the Colts since their move from Baltimore in 1984. For Polian, the writer was apparently to low-brow for his tastes. Polian refused to speak to the Star's columnist or even its featured online blogger. Polian would, however, talk to any one of his national media buddies, such as Chris Mortensen of ESPN (who broke the story yesterday of Polian's firing), S.I.'s Peter King, or anyone he was chummy with in major media outlets.

To Polian, these men weren't a threat because, unlike the local beat writers, they didn't track and follow his everyday nonsense around the Colts complex. They didn't know the times he publicly berated employees of the team for seemingly no reason at all. They weren't affected, as the beat writers often were, when Polian routinely blocked assistant coaches from speaking to the media. They weren't wired into his crass and belligerent behavior towards fans, often insulting them on his weekly call-in radio show.

Seriously, if you want to know just want kind of a crazy control freak Bill Polian was, the man had his own call-in radio show every Monday night after a game. He wanted to be the singlular voice for the team. Not his coach. Not his superstar, laser rocket-armed quarterback from Tennessee.

Him. And him alone.

And then there was Chris Polian, a man who rapidly ascended to the role of team general manager for reasons that many found baffling. Other than the fact that his last name was Polian, there was nothing about Chris that seemed ideally suited to take on the responsibilities of running a franchise. If anything, Chris was viewed as a toxic force within the organization, a person pressed upon people by his overbearing and odious father. It was Chris Polian who reportedly pushed several longtime, assistant coaches, scouts, and high-ranking personnel people out the door in Indianapolis, replacing them with friends and other trusted colleagues.

This had an affect on the team's draft performance in recent years. The Colts haven't had a hit in the first round since Jospeh Addai in 2006.

The true downfall of the Polians started then, and that downfall turned into an avalanche after the way they handled the now-infamous benching of starters during a Week 16 home game in 2009 against the New York Jets. The Colts were 14-0 at that time, and had sent out many mixed signals to fans and their own players about whether or not the team would go for a perfect season. Midway through the third quarter, Peyton Manning and several offensive players were pulled from the game. The Colts lost the lead, and a visibly frustrated Manning, his helmet still on, was often seen begging head coach Jim Caldwell and then-offensive coordinator Tom Moore to let him back in the game. Both said no. Both had gotten their marching orders from the Polians.

The crowd rained booes down on the Colts in their home stadium that day. Afterwards, on his Monday call-in radio show, Polian was confronted, live and on-air, by several angry fans determined to rip him a new one. One caller, a woman, berated Polian for the decision, especially considering how many fans had gotten tickets to that game as Christmas gifts.

Polian responded by questioning the woman's authenticity, suggesting she was either not a real fan, or a reporter pretending to be one.

Polian's attacks on fans that night made national news due, in some way, to people like me who listened to the show on the Internet and posted highlights of the program the day of. The day after the radio show fiasco, Bill Polian ordered the local station that streamed his call-in show to pull it from the website. Only local people in Indianapolis with local, standard radios were now allowed to hear him talk, not outsiders. I remember speaking with the then head of the radio station in Indianapolis, asking him why Polian had done this.

"He's just kind of a crappy boss," the station manager said.

Polian's meltdown that night on the radio mirrored other meltdowns he'd been a part of, such as his famous verbal freakout in 2001 on a radio show in Indianapolis that featured guest comedian Jay Mohr. This past year, Polian called Indianapolis Star columnist Bob Kravitz a "rat" after Kravitz wrote an article critical of both Bill and Chris.

Related: NFL Power Rankings | SI.com: Playoffs Primer | NFL Playoffs Schedule
Polian also seemed to have personal feuds and grudges against specific players. He made sure that his first round pick in 2007, wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez, was buried deep on the bench all season. No one knows the real reason why, but it's safe to assume it was because Gonalez was more vocal than others when it came to voicing his disapproval on things. Polian publicly chastised his punter, Pat McAfee, for not being better at directional punting. At the time, the rest of Bill's team was 0-13!

When you add all these up, Bill Polian's great record as a talent evaluator and his skill at roster building didn't justify keeping him when weighed against all the negativity the mere mention of his name would generate. Fans and media had taken to calling him NaPolian. For Jim, enough was probably enough.

At his press conference Monday, Irsay started off by conveying that things had run their course in Indy with the Polians, and that after 14 years, it was time for change:

"We’re moving in a different direction in regards to Bill and Chris Polian. It was a very tough decision for me. This is the tough part of this business. There is always a great loyalty in this business. It was time, it was the right decision to make. Fourteen years is a long time in this league. It’s an intuitive decision. A lot goes into it. This was a tough decision, and I made the decision this morning."

It's worth noting that, after 45 minutes of talking to reporters, and another 20 minutes as the featured guest on what would have been Bill Polian's regular Monday call-in radio show, Jim Irsay did not say one positive thing about Chris Polian.

He gushed about Bill.

Praised and talked-up Caldwell.

He even said encouraging words about Colts director of player personnel Tom Telesco, who was retained.

Nothing about Chris Polian.

In the end, Monday's firing was all about Irsay, not the Polians. Throughout the league, the perception had been growing that it was not Irsay who controlled the Colts. It was the Polians. This was best evidenced by how Chris Polian was thrust upon everyone within the organization, and how Chris used his new power to make some rather sweeping changes in 2011. He fired a longtime Irsay confidante in Clyde Powers, a man who'd worked in the Colts front office for more than 30 years. Chris Polian replaced Powers with his brother, Dennis Polian.

Chris demoted another longtime Irsay friend, public relations director Craig Kelley. Kelley was replaced by a friend of Chris Polian's, Avis Roper. Roper and the Polians worked together in Carolina back in the '90s.

It's long been speculated that Chris pushed coaches like offensive coordinator Tom Moore, running backs coach Gene Huey, and offensive line coach Howard Mudd out the door, replacing them with coaches that were more inclined to shut up and do what they are told.

These moves, coupled with a 2-14 regular season that saw the front office bungle all sorts of roster decisions (specifically at quarterback), compelled Irsay to take his team back. Adam Schefter of ESPN said as much when asked on SportsCenter, "Why were the Polians fired?" Schefter, a man who made a name for himself covering the Denver Broncos in the '80s and '90s, equated the moves to owner Pat Bowlen firing head coach Dan Reeves in 1991 after 14 years. When asked why he fired Reeves, Bowlen said, "I just wanted my team back."

Now, Jim Irsay has his team back. He also has the No. 1 overall pick which, if you were able to read through Irsay's language Monday, you'd know will be Stanford's Andrew Luck. Irsay said repeatedly that the pillars of a franchise were quarterback, head coach, and general manager. With the health of Peyton Manning still very much in question, the QB pillar is one Irsay, and Irsay himself, seems to want to address.

It's worth noting that, despite all the negative stories associated with Bill and Chris Polian, both men did great things for the Colts franchise and the NFL in general. Bill especially. Those achievements cannot, and should not, be ignored simply because they were jerks to the people they worked with. But, as Irsay stated, 14 years is a long time. Things had run their course.

And Jim Irsay simply wanted to take his team back and lead it into a new era.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/1/3...-manning-colts

htismaqe 12-07-2012 01:25 PM

First of all, lose the ****ing hot pink font, Jesus H Christ!

Second, that was enough to put me in the "hell naw" camp.

Deberg_1990 12-07-2012 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9187907)
How many of them were 2nd or 3rd-time coaches that hadn't won a Super Bowl?

Look, if you're playing the percentages, that that is EXACTLY the kind of coach you want.

The Buffalo Bills were Marv's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

The Colts were Dungy's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

Is that not what we want?

So we should keep Romeo then?

Frankie 12-07-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9187863)

I'm a little weary of this choice. And here are the reasons why:

1- Pioli's resume? Tom Brady. Polians resume? (pretty much) Peyton Manning. I'm not sure I want a GM whose reputation was built on one all world QB.

2- He's older and if successful will probably retire fairly soon anyway. I'm more excited about younger guys like, Eric DeCosta, Tom Gamble, and Marc Ross who can bring long term stability to the Chiefs.

3- he also has a reputation of running a despotic FO not unlike Pioli. I read something about it recently and the article pictured him as unpopular with his employees. FO controversies was pretty much the theme of this article. Don't want any more of that shit.

4- Last but not least: His name shares too many letters with Pioli. ;)

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9187907)
How many of them were 2nd or 3rd-time coaches that hadn't won a Super Bowl?

Look, if you're playing the percentages, that that is EXACTLY the kind of coach you want.

The Buffalo Bills were Marv's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

The Colts were Dungy's 2nd job and he took them to the Super Bowl.

Is that not what we want?

Depends on who that guy is.

htismaqe 12-07-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9187921)
So we should keep Romeo then?

No.

Every coach he has had a previous HC job isn't a retread, that's my point.

htismaqe 12-07-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9187926)
Depends on who that guy is.

Of course it does.

You're not going to go out and hire Mike Tice, just because it would be his 2nd HC job.

BigMeatballDave 12-07-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 9187914)
Exactly.

Bill Polian Was Fired Because Jim Irsay Wanted His Team Back


By Brad Wells on Jan 3, 11:37a

Why did Jim Irsay fire his longtime top personnel executive and friend Bill Polian? The truth is the Colts owner wanted control of his franchise back. It's really just that simple.

I've never had to fire someone under my employment for 14 years. I've never had to tell a friend I've known for 30 years that, sorry, we just can't hang out in public together anymore. I've also never had to fire the son of my friend of 30 years, a son I've likely watched grow up right before my eyes.

On Monday, to the shock of many in the NFL, Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay did all those things, firing his longtime friend and team personnel executive, Bill Polian. Also sent packing was Polian's eldest son, Colts general manager Chris Polian.

Black Monday in the NFL is the Monday after the regular season finale, and the day is often reserved for teams and owners that wish to make changes within their organization as quickly as possible. This year, Black Monday began with two coaching terminations that many expected: Steve Spanuolo in St. Louis and Raheem Morris in Tampa Bay.

RELATED: The Colts Are Now Free To Move On From Peyton Manning
Then, the news started trickling out of Indianapolis' West 56th Street complex that there would be "significant change" within the Colts organization.

For people wired into the team, the general feeling was something would happen in Indianapolis on Black Monday, but no one could agree on what. What folks did agree on was that the futures of Bill Polian, Chris Polian, and head coach Jim Caldwell were tenuous in Indianapolis, with Caldwell being the most likely to get served his walking papers on Monday.

By the end of the day, it was Bill and Chris who were shown the door rather unceremoniously, leaving Jim Caldwell amazingly still employed by the Colts as the head coach.

Why? Why did Jim Irsay fire his longtime chief personnel executive and friend? Why did he seemingly dump the man who resurrected his franchise from the bowels of irrelevancy in 1998 and transformed it into a pillar of the NFL? Was it because the Colts just had a bad year? Had Irsay gotten so spoiled by nine straight years of playoff appearances that one 2-14 season was enough to make him go all Dan Synder on Polian?

The truth is Jim Irsay wanted control of his franchise back. It's really just that simple.

For 14 years, the executive-type that was most frequently associated with the Colts was Bill Polian, a man defined by genius-level gifts of intellect and gargoyle-level fits of paranoid megalomania, all at once. Polian was both respected and loathed in league circles. Everyone praised his draft record and the fact that he helped rebuild not one, not two, but THREE NFL franchises.

Everyone also rolled their eyes and sighed whenever they had to talk about "that time" they had to deal with Polian face-to-face.

All throughout his career, Bill Polian had a less than fuzzy relationship with the media, especially if they were local press wired into the team. Polian was obsessed with information control, and in the modern age of Twitter, Facebook, and websites like this one, being a freak about every little word uttered by anyone within your organization is a recipe for disaster. For Polian, he saw new communications technology, and the local media in general, as a threat to himself and his team.

Literally, a threat.

There are famous stories of him once telling the Buffalo media (back when he was the G.M. there) that if they didn't like the way he did things, they could get the hell out of the building. Seriously, a man working in a small market like Buffalo was actually so pissed off at their tiny media there that he wanted them kicked out of the building.

In Indianapolis, the stories were similar. Local media often spoke with me about Polian refusing to even speak with the Colts beat writer who worked for the only major newspaper in Indianapolis, The Indianapolis Star. This beat writer had covered the Colts since their move from Baltimore in 1984. For Polian, the writer was apparently to low-brow for his tastes. Polian refused to speak to the Star's columnist or even its featured online blogger. Polian would, however, talk to any one of his national media buddies, such as Chris Mortensen of ESPN (who broke the story yesterday of Polian's firing), S.I.'s Peter King, or anyone he was chummy with in major media outlets.

To Polian, these men weren't a threat because, unlike the local beat writers, they didn't track and follow his everyday nonsense around the Colts complex. They didn't know the times he publicly berated employees of the team for seemingly no reason at all. They weren't affected, as the beat writers often were, when Polian routinely blocked assistant coaches from speaking to the media. They weren't wired into his crass and belligerent behavior towards fans, often insulting them on his weekly call-in radio show.

Seriously, if you want to know just want kind of a crazy control freak Bill Polian was, the man had his own call-in radio show every Monday night after a game. He wanted to be the singlular voice for the team. Not his coach. Not his superstar, laser rocket-armed quarterback from Tennessee.

Him. And him alone.

And then there was Chris Polian, a man who rapidly ascended to the role of team general manager for reasons that many found baffling. Other than the fact that his last name was Polian, there was nothing about Chris that seemed ideally suited to take on the responsibilities of running a franchise. If anything, Chris was viewed as a toxic force within the organization, a person pressed upon people by his overbearing and odious father. It was Chris Polian who reportedly pushed several longtime, assistant coaches, scouts, and high-ranking personnel people out the door in Indianapolis, replacing them with friends and other trusted colleagues.

This had an affect on the team's draft performance in recent years. The Colts haven't had a hit in the first round since Jospeh Addai in 2006.

The true downfall of the Polians started then, and that downfall turned into an avalanche after the way they handled the now-infamous benching of starters during a Week 16 home game in 2009 against the New York Jets. The Colts were 14-0 at that time, and had sent out many mixed signals to fans and their own players about whether or not the team would go for a perfect season. Midway through the third quarter, Peyton Manning and several offensive players were pulled from the game. The Colts lost the lead, and a visibly frustrated Manning, his helmet still on, was often seen begging head coach Jim Caldwell and then-offensive coordinator Tom Moore to let him back in the game. Both said no. Both had gotten their marching orders from the Polians.

The crowd rained booes down on the Colts in their home stadium that day. Afterwards, on his Monday call-in radio show, Polian was confronted, live and on-air, by several angry fans determined to rip him a new one. One caller, a woman, berated Polian for the decision, especially considering how many fans had gotten tickets to that game as Christmas gifts.

Polian responded by questioning the woman's authenticity, suggesting she was either not a real fan, or a reporter pretending to be one.

Polian's attacks on fans that night made national news due, in some way, to people like me who listened to the show on the Internet and posted highlights of the program the day of. The day after the radio show fiasco, Bill Polian ordered the local station that streamed his call-in show to pull it from the website. Only local people in Indianapolis with local, standard radios were now allowed to hear him talk, not outsiders. I remember speaking with the then head of the radio station in Indianapolis, asking him why Polian had done this.

"He's just kind of a crappy boss," the station manager said.

Polian's meltdown that night on the radio mirrored other meltdowns he'd been a part of, such as his famous verbal freakout in 2001 on a radio show in Indianapolis that featured guest comedian Jay Mohr. This past year, Polian called Indianapolis Star columnist Bob Kravitz a "rat" after Kravitz wrote an article critical of both Bill and Chris.

Related: NFL Power Rankings | SI.com: Playoffs Primer | NFL Playoffs Schedule
Polian also seemed to have personal feuds and grudges against specific players. He made sure that his first round pick in 2007, wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez, was buried deep on the bench all season. No one knows the real reason why, but it's safe to assume it was because Gonalez was more vocal than others when it came to voicing his disapproval on things. Polian publicly chastised his punter, Pat McAfee, for not being better at directional punting. At the time, the rest of Bill's team was 0-13!

When you add all these up, Bill Polian's great record as a talent evaluator and his skill at roster building didn't justify keeping him when weighed against all the negativity the mere mention of his name would generate. Fans and media had taken to calling him NaPolian. For Jim, enough was probably enough.

At his press conference Monday, Irsay started off by conveying that things had run their course in Indy with the Polians, and that after 14 years, it was time for change:

"We’re moving in a different direction in regards to Bill and Chris Polian. It was a very tough decision for me. This is the tough part of this business. There is always a great loyalty in this business. It was time, it was the right decision to make. Fourteen years is a long time in this league. It’s an intuitive decision. A lot goes into it. This was a tough decision, and I made the decision this morning."

It's worth noting that, after 45 minutes of talking to reporters, and another 20 minutes as the featured guest on what would have been Bill Polian's regular Monday call-in radio show, Jim Irsay did not say one positive thing about Chris Polian.

He gushed about Bill.

Praised and talked-up Caldwell.

He even said encouraging words about Colts director of player personnel Tom Telesco, who was retained.

Nothing about Chris Polian.

In the end, Monday's firing was all about Irsay, not the Polians. Throughout the league, the perception had been growing that it was not Irsay who controlled the Colts. It was the Polians. This was best evidenced by how Chris Polian was thrust upon everyone within the organization, and how Chris used his new power to make some rather sweeping changes in 2011. He fired a longtime Irsay confidante in Clyde Powers, a man who'd worked in the Colts front office for more than 30 years. Chris Polian replaced Powers with his brother, Dennis Polian.

Chris demoted another longtime Irsay friend, public relations director Craig Kelley. Kelley was replaced by a friend of Chris Polian's, Avis Roper. Roper and the Polians worked together in Carolina back in the '90s.

It's long been speculated that Chris pushed coaches like offensive coordinator Tom Moore, running backs coach Gene Huey, and offensive line coach Howard Mudd out the door, replacing them with coaches that were more inclined to shut up and do what they are told.

These moves, coupled with a 2-14 regular season that saw the front office bungle all sorts of roster decisions (specifically at quarterback), compelled Irsay to take his team back. Adam Schefter of ESPN said as much when asked on SportsCenter, "Why were the Polians fired?" Schefter, a man who made a name for himself covering the Denver Broncos in the '80s and '90s, equated the moves to owner Pat Bowlen firing head coach Dan Reeves in 1991 after 14 years. When asked why he fired Reeves, Bowlen said, "I just wanted my team back."

Now, Jim Irsay has his team back. He also has the No. 1 overall pick which, if you were able to read through Irsay's language Monday, you'd know will be Stanford's Andrew Luck. Irsay said repeatedly that the pillars of a franchise were quarterback, head coach, and general manager. With the health of Peyton Manning still very much in question, the QB pillar is one Irsay, and Irsay himself, seems to want to address.

It's worth noting that, despite all the negative stories associated with Bill and Chris Polian, both men did great things for the Colts franchise and the NFL in general. Bill especially. Those achievements cannot, and should not, be ignored simply because they were jerks to the people they worked with. But, as Irsay stated, 14 years is a long time. Things had run their course.

And Jim Irsay simply wanted to take his team back and lead it into a new era.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/1/3...-manning-colts

What's with the gay-looking fuchsia? :)

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9187931)
Of course it does.

You're not going to go out and hire Mike Tice, just because it would be his 2nd HC job.

Well then give me some names? Andy Reid? I think he needs atleast a year off.

Billick? He's been out of the game for awhile i'm wondering if theres a reason why.

Cowher? I'd take him.

Bump 12-07-2012 01:35 PM

gonna go with no.

It sounds too much like Pioli. Polian, Pioli. That's just too close for comfort.

DaWolf 12-07-2012 01:36 PM

Polian would be a huge mistake...

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:37 PM

Anyway, F Bill Polian.

The best part of this is it's the first national indication that Pioli is done.

Sounds good to me.

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9187921)
So we should keep Romeo then?

No, the idea is to go get a guy who's been a success somewhere else but hasn't won it all.

That perfectly describes:

Coughlin
Dungy
Gruden
Vermeil
Shula

htismaqe 12-07-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9187944)
Well then give me some names? Andy Reid? I think he needs atleast a year off.

Billick? He's been out of the game for awhile i'm wondering if theres a reason why.

Cowher? I'd take him.

Billick and Cowher have both won Super Bowls, there's a reason they're comfortable as analysts.

I think Hue Jackson deserves another shot at some point. He's a strong offensive mind and was unfairly treated in Oakland (who isn't?).

I don't really know the story with Raheem Morris. The Bucs were as good 2 years ago as they are this year. I don't think he flamed out, ala Haley, as much as the team wanted Schiano that badly.

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

BigMeatballDave 12-07-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9187944)
Billick? He's been out of the game for awhile i'm wondering if theres a reason why.

Cowher? I'd take him.

You contradicted yourself here.

GoChargers 12-07-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9187894)
Barf.

We go from a regime that idiotically believes we can win without a QB to a regime that believes they can with only a QB.

This. Having suffered through the years of horrible drafting and cheap quick-fixes from Polian's former right-hand man AJ Smith, it's pretty clear to me that any GM who doesn't really invest in the trenches (especially the O-line) will only create losing and mediocrity.

I'm not trying to hate or anything, I actually want the Chiefs to get better, because frankly, I'm tired of the AFC West being a joke. But Polian is not the best choice IMO.

Ace Gunner 12-07-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9187955)
Anyway, F Bill Polian.

The best part of this is it's the first national indication that Pioli is done.

Sounds good to me.

so you got a national "if" and that means Clark is gonna pull the trigger.

Fansy the Famous Bard 12-07-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9187931)
Of course it does.

You're not going to go out and hire Mike Tice, just because it would be his 2nd HC job.

Haley :)

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9187967)
so you got a national "if" and that means Clark is gonna pull the trigger.

AIDS, catch the fever.

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9187965)
You contradicted yourself here.

?

Brock 12-07-2012 01:47 PM

Definitely not a favorite of mine.

BigMeatballDave 12-07-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9187982)
?

Cowher has been out of coaching longer than Billick, yet you'd take Cowher.

Brock 12-07-2012 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9187911)
This is why I keep pounding the desk for Andy Reid.

Good grief. First Jeff Fisher, now Andy Reid. You're terrible.

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9187996)
Good grief. First Jeff Fisher, now Andy Reid. You're terrible.

For all you know Andy Reid is the next Tom Coughlin.

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9187990)
Cowher has been out of coaching longer than Billick, yet you'd take Cowher.

Yes and so would 32 franchises.

BigMeatballDave 12-07-2012 01:53 PM

I wouldn't hate Reid.

Certainly not one of my favorites.

Sorter 12-07-2012 01:54 PM

Ok w/ Reid.

Not okay with Polian. Yuck.

Brock 12-07-2012 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9187999)
For all you know Andy Reid is the next Tom Coughlin.

For all you know Andy Reid is the current Andy Reid.

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:54 PM

Why is everyone so against the greatest GM of all time?

Just prepare yourself, because Clark might want to go with a safe play.

BigMeatballDave 12-07-2012 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9188001)
Yes and so would 32 franchises.

You said:
Quote:

He's been out of the game for awhile i'm wondering if theres a reason why.
Yet, Cowher has been out longer.

GoChargers 12-07-2012 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9187999)
For all you know Andy Reid is the next Tom Coughlin.

Andy Reid is the fat Norv Turner.

Sorter 12-07-2012 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9188012)
Why is everyone so against the greatest GM of all time?

Just prepare yourself, because Clark might want to go with a safe play.

Why?

Because on all accounts he treats people that work on staff and the media worse than Pioli ever could imagine.

He also is clearly a fan of nepotism and hiring under-qualified cronies.

Yes, I like some of his draft picks. Doesn't mean I would want him as a GM. He seems like a complete prick.

I'd like to see us find our own Grigson/Pagano (minus leukemia)

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9188018)
Why?

Because on all accounts he treats people that work on staff and the media worse than Pioli ever could imagine.

I don't care if he's a dickbag.

He knows football.

If he's hired it won't be the end of the world.

htismaqe 12-07-2012 02:00 PM

Bill Cowher's picture is in the dictionary next to the word "retread".

GoChargers 12-07-2012 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9188022)
I don't care if he's a dickbag.

You might not but players and agents do.

htismaqe 12-07-2012 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9188018)
Why?

Because on all accounts he treats people that work on staff and the media worse than Pioli ever could imagine.

He also is clearly a fan of nepotism and hiring under-qualified cronies.

Yes, I like some of his draft picks. Doesn't mean I would want him as a GM. He seems like a complete prick.

I'd like to see us find our own Grigson/Pagano (minus leukemia)

Yep. This.

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9188013)
You said: Yet, Cowher has been out longer.

Yes Cowher has been out of the league longer by choice. Can you name a team where Billick was the leading candidate for the job?

BigMeatballDave 12-07-2012 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9188028)
Yes Cowher has been out of the league longer by choice. Can you name a team where Billick was the leading candidate for the job?

No clue. For all we know, Billick is also out by choice.

mcaj22 12-07-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9188018)
Why?

I'd like to see us find our own Grigson/Pagano (minus leukemia)

yea it is called Bruce Arians/whoever the ****. done deal

Sorter 12-07-2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9188022)
I don't care if he's a dickbag.

He knows football.

If he's hired it won't be the end of the world.

Don't care about the 2nd part? ROFL

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 02:08 PM

You know i'm not 100% sold on Arians yet. He has the best rookie QB maybe ever, a team playing on emotion, and a pretty easy schedule.

mcaj22 12-07-2012 02:08 PM

bill polian is 70

that means hes trying to get back on a NFL team gullible enough to hire him for like 2 or 3 years max so he can groom his rat pack under qualified idiot son to take over his spot

that's essentially what is. and i certainly dont want his kid being anywhere near my Chiefs.

Brock 12-07-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9188040)
bill polian is 70

that means hes trying to get back on a NFL team gullible enough to hire him for like 2 or 3 years max so he can groom his rat pack under qualified idiot son to take over his spot

that's essentially what is. and i certainly dont want his kid being anywhere near my Chiefs.

Me either.

mcaj22 12-07-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9188039)
You know i'm not 100% sold on Arians yet. He has the best rookie QB maybe ever, a team playing on emotion, and a pretty easy schedule.

he also had Peyton Manning as a rookie, Tim Couch, Big Ben, etc


so lets not act like Andrew Luck is the guys first rodeo.

htismaqe 12-07-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9188040)
bill polian is 70

that means hes trying to get back on a NFL team gullible enough to hire him for like 2 or 3 years max so he can groom his rat pack under qualified idiot son to take over his spot

that's essentially what is. and i certainly dont want his kid being anywhere near my Chiefs.

Sure looks that way.

Cephalic Trauma 12-07-2012 02:13 PM

BENCH BARKLEY FIRE POLIAN SOC.COM

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9188040)
bill polian is 70

that means hes trying to get back on a NFL team gullible enough to hire him for like 2 or 3 years max so he can groom his rat pack under qualified idiot son to take over his spot

that's essentially what is. and i certainly dont want his kid being anywhere near my Chiefs.

That's fair.

Everyone wants to ride that NFL gravy train as long as possible.

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9188043)
he also had Peyton Manning as a rookie, Tim Couch, Big Ben, etc


so lets not act like Andrew Luck is the guys first rodeo.

Manning threw 28 picks his rookie year, Tim Couch sucked, and he was the WR coach when Big Ben first got to Pittsburgh.

RealSNR 12-07-2012 02:16 PM

Isn't a big reason why Pioli is getting ****ed by SOC because not only is he an incompetent ****tard, but he's a STUBBORN incompetent ****tard who has successfully pissed off every last Arrowhead employee around him?

It's not enough to just know football. That shit only works if the team is successful year in and year out. I really don't think Polian is that good.

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9188061)
Isn't a big reason why Pioli is getting ****ed by SOC because not only is he an incompetent ****tard, but he's a STUBBORN incompetent ****tard who has successfully pissed off every last Arrowhead employee around him?

It's not enough to just know football. That shit only works if the team is successful year in and year out. I really don't think Polian is that good.

No. People are pissed because the talented team is underachieving and Pioli refused to draft a QB.


Nobody gave a **** about Pioli's ego or how he was secretive in 2010 when the team was winning.

RealSNR 12-07-2012 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9188065)
No. People are pissed because the talented team is underachieving and Pioli refused to draft a QB.


Nobody gave a **** about Pioli's ego or how he was secretive in 2010 when the team was winning.

I know a lot of people that read Babb's "Arrowhead Anxiety" article and wanted Pioli fired instantly.

The shit****ery that has gone on since this past offseason with the coaching hire, the terrible draft, Brandon Carr, and Peyton Manning only added about 10,000 gallons to an already blazing fire of hatred for the douchebag.

RUSH 12-07-2012 02:21 PM

Polian is the last guy I'd want to come here. Another egotistical maniac? No thanks.

I remember reading an article from an Indy writer that just let loose on him and how much of an asshole he was. Employees feared their jobs, couldn't even acknowledge reporters, etc. Sound familiar? I'll take a look to see if I can find it.

And he also brings his son along with him who is supposedly a bigger douchebag than Bill? No thanks.

And I didn't even touch on how much he sucked at his job the last 5 years or so he was in Indy. That team had no talent outside of Peyton. His drafts were pathetic. Luckily for the Colts, Grigson had an amazing draft this year so Luck has some a little bit of help.

Deberg_1990 12-07-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9187964)
Billick and Cowher have both won Super Bowls, there's a reason they're comfortable as analysts.

I think Hue Jackson deserves another shot at some point. He's a strong offensive mind and was unfairly treated in Oakland (who isn't?).

I don't really know the story with Raheem Morris. The Bucs were as good 2 years ago as they are this year. I don't think he flamed out, ala Haley, as much as the team wanted Schiano that badly.

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Mike Sherman?


Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
GB 2000 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC Central - - - -
GB 2001 12 4 0 .750 2nd in NFC Central 1 1 .500 Lost to St. Louis Rams in NFC Divisional Game
GB 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Atlanta Falcons in NFC Wild-Card Game
GB 2003 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC North 1 1 .500 Lost to Philadelphia Eagles in NFC Divisional Game
GB 2004 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Minnesota Vikings in NFC Wild-Card Game
GB 2005 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC North - - - -

htismaqe 12-07-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9188071)
Mike Sherman?


Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
GB 2000 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC Central - - - -
GB 2001 12 4 0 .750 2nd in NFC Central 1 1 .500 Lost to St. Louis Rams in NFC Divisional Game
GB 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Atlanta Falcons in NFC Wild-Card Game
GB 2003 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC North 1 1 .500 Lost to Philadelphia Eagles in NFC Divisional Game
GB 2004 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Minnesota Vikings in NFC Wild-Card Game
GB 2005 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC North - - - -

Interesting... :hmmm:

Hammock Parties 12-07-2012 02:24 PM

It would suck if a guy who was responsible for two of the greatest dynasties in the last 25 years became our GM for sure.

We're talking 17 seasons of 10+ wins.

Sorter 12-07-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9188071)
Mike Sherman?


Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
GB 2000 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC Central - - - -
GB 2001 12 4 0 .750 2nd in NFC Central 1 1 .500 Lost to St. Louis Rams in NFC Divisional Game
GB 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Atlanta Falcons in NFC Wild-Card Game
GB 2003 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC North 1 1 .500 Lost to Philadelphia Eagles in NFC Divisional Game
GB 2004 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Minnesota Vikings in NFC Wild-Card Game
GB 2005 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC North - - - -

This actually intrigues me a bit...especially if he can steal Clements from GB to come be an OC who actually calls plays here.

Titty Meat 12-07-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9188084)
This actually intrigues me a bit...especially if he can steal Clements from GB to come be an OC who actually calls plays here.

He was a disaster at Texas A&M. No thanks.

Deberg_1990 12-07-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9188082)
Interesting... :hmmm:

Oh....and John Fox fits your theory as well....he obviously has a nice shot to return to the SB again this season.

Sorter 12-07-2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9188097)
He was a disaster at Texas A&M. No thanks.

Really? Honestly, I have no idea.


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