Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 4865140)

I won't believe it until I see it on WPI

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4865142)

Lame. Carl is such an asshole.

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 4865157)

:hmmm:
If the information provided is true - how is this Carl's fault?
Carl: Here's an offer
Agent:.......................
Several weeks later - Agent: we won't negotiate until other players below us are signed too

If Dorsey is interested in getting into camp he needs to tell his agent to start negotiating.

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 4865157)

:hmmm:
If the information provided is true - how is this Carl's fault?
Carl: Here's an offer
Agent:.......................
Several weeks later - Agent: we won't negotiate until other players below us are signed too

If Dorsey is interested in getting into camp he needs to tell his agent to start negotiating.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 4865163)

The problem is that we don't know if its true. He said that Tait's agent wouldn't talk and was unreasonable. Then we found out there was another side to the story.

I bet we hear from his agent today.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 4865163)

The problem is that we don't know if its true. He said that Tait's agent wouldn't talk and was unreasonable. Then we found out there was another side to the story.

I bet we hear from his agent today.

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 4865190)

the blind hatred of Carl still makes people say stupid things.

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 4865212)

19 years of not accomplishing much of anything and still Carl having a job makes people say stupid things.

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 4865190)

It is just funny that with the side we do have that would indicate it is not Carl's fault - the blind hatred of Carl still makes people say stupid things.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4865216)

Lets have a party because he got a 1st round pick in camp and on time. It's not like thats the guys job or anything.

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 4865190)

Exactly my point - we have one side of the story so far. You are probably right about hearing from the agent today - which will give us information on the complete other side of the spectrum. The true answer will probably be somewhere in between.

It is just funny that with the side we do have that would indicate it is not Carl's fault - the blind hatred of Carl still makes people say stupid things.

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 4865269)

do you guys have any reading comprehension abilities at all? Where in my post did I heap praise or profess blind love for Carl?

The information provided says the agent won't negoitiate - a poster stated Carl was an ashhole because of this - my statement was if the facts we have are true - then this instance isn't Carl's fault.

Learn to read and understand instead of blindly hating.

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 4865243)

The blind love for Carl makes people say that those who don't trust or believe Carl are haters and that we say stupid things. I am far from stupid and I rely on instincts when it comes to idiots like Carl.

Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 4865374)

I am fairly new here and from what I can tell there isn't any Carl love on this board, and a limited number of Carl rationalists. Certainly not any blind love.

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 4865394)

There is a significant amount of blind hatred, however.

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 4865394)

There is a significant amount of blind hatred, however.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4865173)

Dorsey's agent, Segal, represented 3 first round picks last year -- Levi Brown (No. 5), LaRon Landry (No. 6) and Craig Davis (No. 30).

Does anyone know offhand if Brown and Landry were holdouts?

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 4865152)

Dorseys agent should be fired if he wants every other god damn 1st rounder signed before he negotiates!!!!!!

Originally Posted by ZootedGranny (Post 4865422)

Brown missed one week of camp, Landry was out for 3 days, Davis signed before camp.

The year before, Segal represented Bush, who missed two days of camp.

The last contract Segal negotiated with the Chiefs was Pollards'.

Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 4865374)

I am fairly new here and from what I can tell there isn't any Carl love on this board, and a limited number of Carl rationalists. Certainly not any blind love.

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4865487)

Won't the guys drafted AFTER make less money than Dorsey? We all no the answer is yes, so what the **** do they have to do with anything? We know the slotting and the increase from last year to this year. What's the hold up?

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 4865520)

Maybe they want more than their slot because they feel he should have been the #1 pick in the draft?

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 4865537)

I have difficulty busting Carl's nuts on this. It is still a business after all...

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4865541)

Agreed.

10/12 in camp on time? And one of the two not signed is due to a medical issue?

Carl deserves some credit, IMO.

Originally Posted by arc (Post 4865561)

Carl lover. :harumph:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4865628)

Perhaps this is all part of a grand, elaborate plan composed by the Master and unfolding before our eyes like an exquisite work of art.

While Dorsey holds out, our other defensive linemen will be forced to step up their game during camp by paying more attention to their technique and working harder. This, of course, will result in both increased individual strength and a dramatic improvement in respect to their measurable impact on the field. Then Dorsey, appearing at long last in the final pre-season game or the opener will be both unscouted and fresh; providing both an emotional and physical boost to our defense at the most opportune moment.

Nah.

FAX

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 4865679)

that sounds fairly optimistic...... One of my favorite Hermism's is that we will go with what we have. We can't worry about who isn't here.:banghead:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4865568)

Yep, that's me. They guy who made a Carl Peterson Tribute Film using Denis Leary's "I'm an Asshole" as the theme music...

:D

Originally Posted by kcwild (Post 4865723)

The problem will be that #6, #7 and #8 are waiting on #5 to sign so they will have their slotting. The NFL needs to develop a rookie salary structure like the NBA so even idiots like Carl can take the BS out of rookie negotiations and let him f-up when it's time to re-negotiate and develop the bad blood then as opposed to the beginning of a pick's career.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4865729)

There were reports a week or so ago from ESPN and even insider WPI that the parties were talking. When Carl says an offer was made in June and now the agent isn't talking, his statement purposefully omits whatever transpired in the months between.

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 4865786)

**** you Jerry McGuire!

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 4865520)

Maybe they want more than their slot because they feel he should have been the #1 pick in the draft?

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4865173)

Dorsey's agent, Segal, represented 3 first round picks last year -- Levi Brown (No. 5), LaRon Landry (No. 6) and Craig Davis (No. 30).

Does anyone know offhand if Brown and Landry were holdouts?

Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 4865825)

How would the signing of the lower picks factor into if that is the case?

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4865855)

He wants to make sure they don't get more I'm guessing.....notice how if you go through you'll see a lower pick with a bigger contract in some cases.

Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 4865935)

Gholston Signed:

• The Jets have agreed in principle with Vernon Gholston, their top draft pick. No surprise there, as the two sides worked through the night in an effort to hammer out the deal. The NFL must approve the deal, but that should happen by the end of the day. The next practice doesn’t start until 5:45, so there’s a chance Gholston (No. 6 overall pick) could be on the field.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/

Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 4865935)

the two sides worked through the night in an effort to hammer out the deal.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 4865530)

Carl's job is not just 'get him in camp on time', it's 'get him in camp with a reasonable contract'.

And this is negotiating through the media. We've heard this shit a thousand times before (not just from carl) and more often than not, we hear it not all that long before a deal is done.

Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 4865944)

So with Gholston basically inked, someone explain again why Mr. Segal would need number 7 and 8 signed? I'm slow and that doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 4866064)

He wants to add the contracts of #6, #7, and #8 and ask for the total as Dorsey's signing bonus.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 4866015)

Reasonable contract for who is the question.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 4868270)

If the story is true and thats a big if.........How can someone blame King Carl for this late signing?

My King Carl bashing street cred is 50 cent good but on this issue as long as this is the truth I can't fault King Carl on this one.

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 4868284)

Carl is as guilty as Dorsey's agent. I am not saying it is the King's fault, but he could have pressed and given the sense of urgency to get this done.

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 4868284)

Per the KC Star

The Chiefs will have to wait for the other big guy. Glenn Dorsey was the fifth overall pick and is the highest draft pick who hasn’t signed. Chiefs president Carl Peterson said he temporarily suspended contract negotiations Thursday morning with Dorsey’s agent, Joel Segal.

“Glenn knows he needs to be here; I think Glenn wants to be here,” Peterson said. “Our comment to Glenn Dorsey’s agent was: ‘Look it, since you don’t want to negotiate, we’re going to go to camp and get started. When you want to negotiate, you know how to reach us, so give me a phone call.’

Carl is as guilty as Dorsey's agent. I am not saying it is the King's fault, but he could have pressed and given the sense of urgency to get this done.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4868618)

Actually, this whole "Carl temporarily suspended contract negotiations" deal is ridiculous and completely erroneous. Dorsey's agent "temporarily suspended contract negotiations" when he said he wasn't ready to talk until a few more signings took place. I don't think Carl could have even gotten the agent on the phone to inform him we were "temporarily suspending contract negotiations". Personally, I think it's kinda funny watching Carl play "I said it first" in public.

FAX