St Louis Was Cool
 

Wife and I took a trip to STL on Saturday and returned today. Man, I really like that place. Our hotel was a block from Bush Stadium, and the metro link. We took the train fromKC in business class....holy shit if I can ever travel somewhere by train within reason I'm doing it, thousand times Better than flying.

Only rented a car one day to go to Six Flags. It was ok I suppose.i still want to get to Cedar Point.

Went to a game last night, and man...I thought the stadium kicked ass. Though, probably due to the market, everything was obscenely expensive. Though, I suppose if you're a winning team who draws 45k on a Tuesday night I guess you can charge whatever. 12oz draw of beer was $9.**** that. Didn't buy any. Hot dog and chips was 12 I believe.

But the stadium was great. I really wonder if KC made the right call to not build a park downtown.

We'll be going back maybe on a weekend to see a game on a Saturday and come back Sunday. Great time. Fun city. Didn't need a car whatsoever. Simple transit. Easy to understand. Everything we needed within walking distance.

Go Royals. Lol

Downtown baseball is the way to go. Especially in baseball heaven. If you like baseball memorabilia, go to Mike Shannon's right by Busch. It's expensive but it's got a lot of awesome baseball stuff and the food is good. Took dad there for Father's Day a few years back, got meet Shannon then bob Gibson .

Yep. Saw that place. I'm not even a huge baseball fan . Though if going to a Royals game was this easy, I'd probably more interested.

Was cool to see some good baseball against the Cubs. Came down to basically the last out after a late inning and a half near comeback.

We left the game afterwards,and were back in our hotel room in about 12 minutes. Awesome

I despised St. Louis when I lived there, but I went back for a visit a year or so ago and it was pretty nice down in the Central West End.

And I agree completely on the train. Train travel is quite pleasant compared to any other option.

Did Gibson brush you back? He likes to control his space.

I'm a Cards fan but honestly enjoy Kaufman as much as Busch and I really like Busch. Granted I only go when the Cards are playing the Royals so its always packed.

Yeah Kauffman definitely has its strengths. Sight lines one of them.
I would love them to just transplant it downtown.

Actually no, we were with dads boss who knows Shannon so he wa cool to us. Pretty awesome Father's Day for the old dad in that gibby was/is his favorite cardinal

Living in KC and going to games when it's not the cards, it's ok but nothing like Busch, IMO.

I'm obviously biased but te downtown setting in stl with the arch etc is awesome. I've got some awesome pics from last years NLCS

I took a bunch of pics but haven't downloaded them yet. Hopefully tomorrow night

I'm sure some stl guys can tell you better, but hit up The Hill if you have a chance. Great Italian

Yeah. We heard about that. We didn't make it there or that Lacledes area. I heard the Italian on the hill is great as well

I really liked the new Busch when I was there a few years ago. Worlds better than that boring old circular dump they used to have.

Cardinal fans just whine but dont complain too much. They know we don't have a billion $ TV contract so those 3 million fans keep coming through the gates year after year and spending money is how we maintain a top 10 payroll.

Despite what many on here will tell you, St. Louis is a great town to visit.

St. Louis grows on you. I still can't handle alot of the people, but it has some cool parts. If I can park my car and feel safe, then I enjoy St. Louis alot.

Visit is the keyword. Downtown is falling apart, almost all the streets need redone, which would just be a logistical nightmare.

I wouldn't want to live there, but I wouldn't want to live in any big city, KC included. We have friends who still live in StL though, and they like it and are part of a great food/music scene there.

Gee... I wish to travel some day.

Kauffman Stadium is just fine where it is.
It's fun to visit other cities to watch baseball. I haven't been to new Busch, but went to old Busch many times. I've been to Wrigley and The Cell in Chicago, Metrodome in Minnesota (it seriously blows for baseball) haven't been to Target Field yet. Been to Camden Yards, Old Yankee Stadium, Old Candlestick Park. I'd like to go to Fenway.

Visited twice. Plenty for me.

Amen. God I hated that piece of crap. Worst ballpark ever. And I hated having to downplay how much it sucked because my team played there - like defending some asshole relative just because he's family. It was an absolutely miserable place to watch a game on a hot humid day because there was no way for a breeze to get in, and as we know, most summer days in St. Louis are hot and humid. I can only imagine how much the players must have hated it. Night and day difference between the new and the old.

I took a ton of pictures of our trip; I'm hopeful to get them downloaded tonight to see what/if any from the game came out well.

damnit I need a zoom lens bad. That's next up on my purchases.

My niece was at that game (I think it was same one at least). They made their baby announcement there:

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I prefer KC

I lived there in the 80's........STL is good, but I still prefer KC

Lived in KC for four years. Would love to move back.

I'm here on business this week. Been here dozens of times over the years. It's fine. All I've noticed this week is that the Cubs are in town and the traffic is as bad as it always is. No city has more highways "under repair" than this one. Every year I've been here. Under construction, traffic jams for miles.

I prefer KC as well but STL is still okay.
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for sure....I live 20 minutes from work....in the morning to work it takes me 20 minutes...going home it takes 45 -90 minutes.

St. Louis has an inferiority complex about Chicago/Kansas City residents who lack an awareness of irony.

There's just one bad part in the city that I wouldn't go to, which is the immediate area surrounding the CWE.

The city itself is alright, but most of the awesome shit is in the 'burbs.

I was stunned when I flew into STL recently and they still had dozens of windows that were broken by that tornado a while back still covered with plywood. Not really a good impression on people visiting the city.

Heh. Yeah. I posted about the guy getting randomly punched by some young punks in the outdoor seating at Brasserie there last time I was in the city. Freaked us out. We were all just sitting outside eating, and some kid comes sprinting through the outdoor seating area, clocked a diner, then kept running.

I still like the city, though.

Tornado aside, people that simply arrive at the airport, drive downtown via I70 and back to the airport only see the absolute worst the area has to offer.

With few exceptions, the area inside the red line (northeast) is an absolute shithole, and unfortunately, the only area a lot of people see - because you have to drive through it to get from the airport to downtown.

KC would be in the same boat if you had to drive 10+ miles through Troost or The Paseo to get to downtown.

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Troost and the Paseo are some of the best kc has to offer
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We have a new vendor that's based out of St. Louis. I'm trying to talk them and my boss into paying for us to fly out there and see their processes.

There are some fantastic homes on The Paseo. It's the best way to roll into downtown, imo.

I've spent many, many weeks in STL and frankly, the place sucks. It's the only place I've ever been when you sweat in the shade in March. And it stinks. Sure they have a lot of stuff, but who paid for it? If you're a Mo. person, you did. And those same folks fought tooth and nail to deny KC stadium upgrades even though we here locally were paying for it. I never lost anything there and if I did, I wouldn't go back for it.

I'm either being trolled, or things have changed dramatically in the last decade.

Scary as ****.

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The "K" is a great place to watch a baseball game.

It's been so long since I've been there I can barely remember. Tried to go to a game there about ten years ago, but it got rained out.

There are still some real shitty blocks. Sure.

But there is a lot of new development. I roll through about every time I'm around just to see how its changed since I was a kid.


Then you can go roll the q and see its just as shitty all the way
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I always wondered what the part of st louis was called coming from kc on 70 on the right hand side as you enter the city. It looks like a ****ing dump.

http://voices.kansascity.com/entries...keeps-falling/
:facepalm:

It isn't about who is better or worse. And this looks even more ridiculous considering the county and the city just came to an agreement with a merger in economic aspects.

Kansas City is a shithole. Drive through midtown everyday you'll realize this.

Dude I dont feel safe with my car in alot of places. My buddy lives in Soulard, hate parking at his place, another lives by Forest Park, hate parking downtown unless I'm at Union Station or certain hotel parking garages. I have had my vehicles screwed with or broken into too many times in STL.

What awesome shit is in the burbs??? Kirkwood and Webster are the only burbs even worth mentioning. Anything outside of 270 sucks, and I live in Ballwin. The ONLY things in St. Louis that I would consider awesome are all in the city.

No love for Clayton?

Clayton is ok, but frankly I don't spend a lot of time there. It always seems like it's just the offspring of all the old money in the city. The same old money families that have done their best to impede any real development.

Personally, I would much rather spend my time on South Grand, Soulard, the CWE, or even the Loop.

We are taking the kids up to St. Louis for New Year's Eve and to see friends. We're going to go out to eat one night without the kids. Unfortunately, it's on a Monday, so our options are limited (lots of restaurants closed on Monday).

Two we're looking at:
Niche
Blood and Sand

Thoughts from St. Louis folks?

Not sure on the eateries for your date night. But, related to the kids, the St. Louis City Museam was freaking awesome and I'd highly recommend it.

Yeah, that's pretty much our top destination. My wife is from St. Louis originally, so we kind of know the things to do there. Our friends are huge foodies as well, so their recommendations will be solid. I was mainly curious if anyone had experience with those two restaurants.

We've been to the chef at Niche's other establishment and liked it very well, so I think we're leaning toward Niche.

So we went to St. Louis from the 30th through the 2nd. I am completely impressed with the St. Louis food culture. They have some pretty amazing things happening, and I could see it becoming a foodie destination in the near future. Their craft brewing scene has also really started to pick up as has the craft cocktail/mixology scene.

A large part of that is due to the excellence of Feast magazine. For anyone interested in food culture, restaurants, being obsessive about craft and such, I found this article fascinating:

http://www.feaststl.com/dine-out/fea...9bb30f31a.html

It's too long to paste.

Anyway, we ate at Niche for their Monday night 3 course sit down without our kids. Then we hit Strange Donuts and Bailey's Range with the kids.

City Museum was absolutely fantastic. We went to the Magic House as well, but I think I'd skip it next time and extend our stay at the City Museum. Now that our friends there have a house big enough for us to stay in, we'll be making frequent trips back, I think.