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crazycoffey 11-08-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 10170003)
Honest question: do you get to refuse a call if you want to?

When the caller is confused to the "crime". In the instance I was referring (based on some similar calls in the past) it was a civil and family matter. Criminally speaking; the kid could claim a right to the property because he used it on a regular basis so it's not a "crime" that I enforce. Once a court has ruled a family or civil issue, it becomes criminal and I can enforce the judges rulings.

I would tell dad to parent up, go to family court, file restraining order, change the locks, take back keys, sack up, etc. long before I took a stolen vehicle report. But the situation I was referring to may or may not match up to the OP

ROYC75 11-08-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 10169427)
Sounds like the kid was headed for lung cancer anyway. Just moved the process along that much quicker.

ObamaCare at work, eliminate the waste ( death panel )?

Eleazar 11-09-2013 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10170275)
If you are still wailing over this, even after watching the video, then you are purposefully being a miserable dumbass. The car chase and shooting were justifiable.

Big Daddy is on the cops' side, that's all we need to know about the story :)

mdchiefsfan 11-09-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 10170120)
So if an A.P. shot someone in a residential neighborhood and then took off on the run, you'd prefer LE not pursue him because they might 'stoke' him up a little bit, making him more likely to shoot additional people???

Sounds like a good idea. :rolleyes:

Wow that was far off base.

I don't see what is so hard to comprehend here. Tablet is saying that there is a likely chance that if someone who is being chased by the cops "gets away" they will slow down, ditch the car, and get somewhere out of the public. The sight of a cop car in their rear view is obviously escalating the situation.

There is a reason that is protocol for some departments.

In this case, however, one the cop was hit he was unable to disengage and the maniac needed to be stopped.

WhiteWhale 11-09-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 10169427)
Sounds like the kid was headed for lung cancer anyway. Just moved the process along that much quicker.

Hilarious.

The way this is phrased sounds like you don't understand that everyone, eventually, dies.

mcan 11-09-2013 11:12 AM

Look, we need better training for cops. That's the final answer. If somebody is just trying to get away, they shouldn't have to pay with their lives unless they are putting people in DIRECT danger. The fact that he was putting people in danger 30 seconds ago doesn't mean dick. There is no immediate need to fire your weapon. I understand having it drawn. I understand you gotta protect yourself from a criminal who is putting his own and others' lives at risk with his reckless behavior. But there was zero NEED (I want you guys to look at that word again... NEED) to fire his weapon. Weapons should only be fired when they NEED to be. And if you think this weapon NEEDED to be fired, then you are not seeing beyond your principle to stand up for cops no matter the circumstances.

I don't think this cop is a bad guy, or needs to lose his job or anything. He was put in a tough spot, saw a problem that looked to him like a nail, and decided to use his hammer. But cops need to able to recognize problems that AREN'T nails. Or, perhaps in this case, was a former nail that had turned into something way less serious by the time the gun was drawn.

Strongside 11-09-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mcan (Post 10171712)
Look, we need better training for cops. That's the final answer. If somebody is just trying to get away, they shouldn't have to pay with their lives unless they are putting people in DIRECT danger. The fact that he was putting people in danger 30 seconds ago doesn't mean dick. There is no immediate need to fire your weapon. I understand having it drawn. I understand you gotta protect yourself from a criminal who is putting his own and others' lives at risk with his reckless behavior. But there was zero NEED (I want you guys to look at that word again... NEED) to fire his weapon. Weapons should only be fired when they NEED to be. And if you think this weapon NEEDED to be fired, then you are not seeing beyond your principle to stand up for cops no matter the circumstances.

I don't think this cop is a bad guy, or needs to lose his job or anything. He was put in a tough spot, saw a problem that looked to him like a nail, and decided to use his hammer. But cops need to able to recognize problems that AREN'T nails. Or, perhaps in this case, was a former nail that had turned into something way less serious by the time the gun was drawn.

Some people just want to fire their weapon. Those people should not be cops.

mcan 11-09-2013 11:30 AM

This should also be a lesson to the rest of us that the days of using the police to help calm domestic situations down are over. Calling the cops is now just asking for the situation to escalate.

It used to be that if you and husband got into too many drunk saturday night fights, you could teach your loser husband a lesson by calling the cops. Have him sit a night in jail without his shoelaces and come home all glassy eyed and apologetic and that'd be the end of it. Or if you wanted to scare your druggie kid straight, you could have some cool neighbor cops show up and cuff him... Maybe even put him in the back of a squad car for a bit until he promises he'll clean up. Then the cops fill out some paperwork and go away and that's the end of it.

Now, really all you're doing is asking for HUNDREDS of dollars of outrageous court fees and principled judges looking for convictions. Zero tolerance policies that put your "stoner" kid into jail or juvie for months. Soccer moms being hog tied and questioned for hours because some twat didn't like her little kids putting rocks in her mailbox... Cops that kick open your front door with weapons drawn because they heard it was a dangerous situation when really all it is is a drunk housewife with some scissors cutting up pictures of her new husbands ex girlfriends... Well, enjoy paying for your new door, $1000 bail money, and $600 in court costs because the people you called to "help" are about to make this situation way worse. Oh, also... If you panic and do something stupid, you're odds of being dead by the end of the night just went from 1 in a couple million to 1 in a couple thousand.

The fact is, cops used to be awesome citizens with a feeling of community who wanted to serve and protect. Now, police forces are so militarized that calling them at all is like calling out the national guard, and because once in a great while, a cop is actually in a dangerous situation, they treat too many (most?) calls like they're responding to a terrorist threat instead of coming to help keep the peace.

philfree 11-09-2013 11:31 AM

One shouldn't call the police on their own family unless it's absolutely necessary. There's not much good that can come from it and lot's of bad that can.

mcan 11-09-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 10171759)
One shouldn't call the police on their own family unless it's absolutely necessary. There's not much good that can come from it and lot's of bad that can.

That took me about four paragraphs to say... And not as well. REP!

mcan 11-09-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 10171725)
Some people just want to fire their weapon. Those people should not be cops.

agreed. whole heartedly. I think part of the problem might be that even the people who become cops aren't aware if they are or are not one of those people until the weapon is drawn and they unload a clip on an unarmed kid sitting in a stopped truck.


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