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Mr_Tomahawk 05-23-2013 12:08 PM

Bob Fescoe‏@bobfescoe32s
Dex tweaked a hamstring today #chiefs

Bob Fescoe‏@bobfescoe1m
Reid hopes Moeaki is ready for training camp #chiefs

Mr_Tomahawk 05-23-2013 12:22 PM

Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher40s
Big day today for Tyson Jackson. Knocked down a pair of passes at line and got to Alex Smith for what would have been a sack LMAO

booger 05-23-2013 05:02 PM

TE TJ Knowles and NT Raheem Stanley never signed or even tried out at the rookie camp. They were announced on twitter as signed but that never materialized

booger 05-23-2013 05:09 PM

Brad Madison at 265 you would think would line up at OLB. I think they may try him at DE giving him #77 Havent been able to tell which group he is practicing with according to the OTA pics though. He's kind of in the same boat as Catapano at 270. Bulk them up a little and they could bring some athleticism to the DE spot. I think there was a tweet out there Madison would try to long snap too.

Neiko Thorpe moved to CB early last year and I imagine thats where this staff views him as they look for big press corners. Off balance a little on the CB and S numbers. I could see them trying Juan Castillo's kid and This bronson kid both at CB too with their 5-11 185 size. Both would probably be better suited for zone as CB's though

Direckshun 05-23-2013 05:57 PM

Adjusted the S and CB lineups.

booger 05-23-2013 10:41 PM

other than thorpe I have no idea. It will be interesting to see where they line some of those guys up. Ton of safties and not many true corners

Mr_Tomahawk 05-24-2013 01:31 PM

How many more weeks of OTAs are left....?

In58men 05-24-2013 03:05 PM

Eric Berry lays out JC during OTA's


https://vine.co/v/b9vx03Tl0X7

Ceej 05-24-2013 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9706948)
Eric Berry lays out JC during OTA's


https://vine.co/v/b9vx03Tl0X7

demonpenz creativity far surprasses just his Microsoft paint skills.

Great video, demon.

In58men 05-24-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9707045)
demonpenz creativity far surprasses just his Microsoft paint skills.

Great video, demon.

I'm lost

Hog's Gone Fishin 05-24-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9707083)
I'm lost

Not Again !

Direckshun 05-24-2013 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 9704033)
TE TJ Knowles and NT Raheem Stanley never signed or even tried out at the rookie camp. They were announced on twitter as signed but that never materialized

Alrighty. I'll update the OP.

Ceej 05-25-2013 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9707083)
I'm lost

You haven't seen some of demonpenz's quality Microsoft paint skills.

In58men 05-27-2013 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9708878)
You haven't seen some of demonpenz's quality Microsoft paint skills.

I'm sure I have at one point. I'll have to do some investigation to get on the same page.

Mr_Tomahawk 05-28-2013 09:40 AM

OTA's Today?

ChiefGator 05-28-2013 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9713870)
OTA's Today?

Yeah, they were supposed to re-convene today.

Four practices this week I think?

Mr_Tomahawk 05-28-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 9714093)
Yeah, they were supposed to re-convene today.

Four practices this week I think?

I havent seen anything on the twitter...I have been asking around, too. Did Arrowhead burn down?

ChiefGator 05-28-2013 11:36 AM

Well, there is this:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...f-dd62f31e7378

mcaj22 05-28-2013 11:46 AM

oh god Muir or Dixon are/might make this team at DE. that is sad.

Mr_Tomahawk 05-28-2013 12:41 PM

Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher5m
Just back from #Chiefs practice. Sloppy day for the offense. Lot of dropped passes, false start penalties. Reid got after them at 1 point

Mr_Tomahawk 05-28-2013 12:41 PM

Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher3m
McCluster did not participate in practice. Injured his hamstring last week

Mr_Tomahawk 05-28-2013 03:04 PM

Arrowhead Pride‏@ArrowheadPride6m
Chiefs UDFA DT Risean Broussard was waived today


http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/5...ed-free-agents

Mr_Tomahawk 06-01-2013 12:31 PM

Regarding significant upcoming dates:

Arrowhead Pride ‏@ArrowheadPride 3h
@mr_tomahawk mandatory minicamp june 4 to 6. Deadlin for tagged players to sign longterm deals in mid july. Camp in late july

Omaha 06-05-2013 03:11 PM

If Knile Davis can stay healthy, I think the Chiefs will have the best RB duo in the league.

In58men 06-05-2013 07:36 PM

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/06/ajahemy3.jpg


What did one concussion say to the other concussion?


They'll be happy with an 9-7 season bahahahahahahah

Direckshun 06-05-2013 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9714659)
Arrowhead Pride‏@ArrowheadPride6m
Chiefs UDFA DT Risean Broussard was waived today


http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/5...ed-free-agents

Done.

ChiefGator 06-06-2013 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9723557)
Regarding significant upcoming dates:

Arrowhead Pride ‏@ArrowheadPride 3h
@mr_tomahawk mandatory minicamp june 4 to 6. Deadlin for tagged players to sign longterm deals in mid july. Camp in late july

Yep, I was just thinking about this today. After a nice little burst of Chiefs news, it is going to get quiet for a bit.

Now we just need to keep our fingers crossed to see if we can sign Albert to a long deal. Having both those bookends for several years helps take the sting off of the 2013 draft's results. And once Albert signs a long deal (likely his last) we can stick him anywhere we decide on the line.

Omaha 06-06-2013 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 9732506)
Yep, I was just thinking about this today. After a nice little burst of Chiefs news, it is going to get quiet for a bit.

Now we just need to keep our fingers crossed to see if we can sign Albert to a long deal. Having both those bookends for several years helps take the sting off of the 2013 draft's results. And once Albert signs a long deal (likely his last) we can stick him anywhere we decide on the line.

I think we're going to look back at this draft and be quite happy with it after a few years.

In58men 06-06-2013 12:44 PM

@SeanKeeler: That's new: #Chiefs LB Akeem Jordan says team will 'group text' with one another over the next 6 weeks. Interesting. #NFL

penbrook 06-06-2013 12:48 PM

Per Dave Skretta

Jamaal Charles says Alex Smith is fast. "He reminds me of Vince Young when I was in college."#Chiefs

In58men 06-06-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9733180)
Per Dave Skretta

Jamaal Charles says Alex Smith is fast. "He reminds me of Vince Young when I was in college."#Chiefs

Aren't QBs suppose to throw and not run? If we have a good line there's no reason to run.

In58men 06-06-2013 04:33 PM

@DwayneBowe82: Finished last day of mini camp.
Chemistry is going to be Gr8....

penbrook 06-06-2013 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9733643)
@DwayneBowe82: Finished last day of mini camp.
Chemistry is going to be Gr8....

Dwayne Bowe is gonna have his best year ever.

In58men 06-06-2013 10:23 PM

Do we have any news on Nico Johnson?

In58men 06-07-2013 05:24 PM

@RavensInsider: Chiefs fourth-round linebacker Nico Johnson's deal worth $2.671 million, including $486,000 bonus.

Easy 6 06-07-2013 08:52 PM

So, i think the only question is... is it Bray or Stanzi who makes the cut?

Mr_Tomahawk 06-07-2013 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9737097)
So, i think the only question is... is it Bray or Stanzi who makes the cut?

Easy.

Bray will win the 3rd spot. He was brought in by the new regime.

Stanzi has generated absolutely zero buzz this off-season. Hell, Bray has generated more buzz than butt-chin.

Easy 6 06-07-2013 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9737112)
Easy.

Bray will win the 3rd spot. He was brought in by the new regime.

Stanzi has generated absolutely zero buzz this off-season. Hell, Bray has generated more buzz than butt-chin.

Yeah, my gut said Bray if only on the fact that he's the new regimes guy... i want a Favre-like find and I Want It NOW, ITS OUR TURN DAMMIT...

Direckshun 06-07-2013 10:46 PM

Chiefs signed Vince Agnew. Added.

Sfeihc 06-07-2013 11:00 PM

Based on your roster, D, I got to 52 players. Can't figure out the last player to make 53. Maybe Harris but doubtful they keep 4 TEs? Maybe a 5th CB but which one?

BoneKrusher 06-08-2013 01:49 PM

looks pretty darn good.

ct 06-11-2013 07:45 AM

I keep coming back and looking at this pre-TC roster, and the only serious concern I have is D-Line, specifically DE.

Lot of IFs, but IF Poe and/or Powe can fill the NT spot and IF Jackson and DeVito can hold the run, that will help this D tremendously. But, where is the push from this DLine in the new scheme? Will the scheme alone help the DLinemen push the pocket, or are these guys the same guys who will always be guys that don't push, rather GET pushed?

Our 2nd CB and S starters are still making me a bit anxious, and clearly we will be relying on RBs & TEs as our secondary playmakers in the passing game after Bowe, unless Baldwin shows up to work on Sundays in the Fall vs weekdays in the Summer.

Have other minor concerns with depth mostly, but it's damn shade better than LY.

RustShack 06-11-2013 06:40 PM

The scheme alone allows the DL to pursue the QB, plus more blitzing other than just Hali and/or Houston will help a lot too.

ct 06-12-2013 10:00 AM

How crazy i didn't even mention QB as a position of concern.

Think it's a combination of how much better it looks vs. LY, and also the tempered expectations of what we're gonna get w/ Alex. I think he'll do fine, but not enough to get an extension, and simply bridges the gap to pulling this franchise out of the landfill. Which, again, is an improvement. If he surprises, great! If he doesn't, the rest of the team is in a better position next year for Tyler Bray vs. newly drafted rookie (probably not a 1st rounder, just my hunch) to fight him for starter's gig in 2014.

mcaj22 06-12-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9744944)
The scheme alone allows the DL to pursue the QB, plus more blitzing other than just Hali and/or Houston will help a lot too.

you are going to be really upset when the DL still doesnt get a "push" from this new scheme.

Mike DeVito was in the scheme his WHOLE career in NY and he still was one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL. The only guy with any pass rush hope is Poe, DeVito and Jackson are lost causes.

RustShack 06-12-2013 09:31 PM

Jackson is capable.

mcaj22 06-12-2013 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9748484)
Jackson is capable.

his 5 sacks in 4 seasons or whatever, real capable.

RustShack 06-12-2013 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9748644)
his 5 sacks in 4 seasons or whatever, real capable.

He's shown flashes in a few games, playing in a system that doesn't ask him to rush the passer.

ChiefGator 06-13-2013 02:36 AM

DL is my concern as well, but I think they will be capable enough. It's more that it will take some games before they really understand their assignments and will have to adjust to a completely different style of play. While they learn, we are going to be susceptible to the running game.

As for WR, don't forget about Donnie Avery. He averaged four catches for 60 yards a game for the Colts last year. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially if he can stretch the field and make room for our TE's and RB's underneath. And, there is the whole Matt Cassel factor; made everyone look worse than they likely were.

Dixie Land 06-14-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9733646)
Dwayne Bowe is gonna have his best year ever.

With Stanzi at QB yes, Smith no.....Bowe will end up hating Alex noodle arm checkdown to RB's Smith.....ouch....:cuss:

Mr_Tomahawk 06-14-2013 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Land (Post 9752426)
With Stanzi at QB yes, Smith no.....Bowe will end up hating Alex noodle arm checkdown to RB's Smith.....ouch....:cuss:

:LOL:

thabear04 06-15-2013 11:44 AM

The Kansas City Chiefs have claimed a new DE named Austen Lane off waivers from the Jacksonville Jaguars. To make room, the club has released DT Daniel Muir

-King- 06-15-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Land (Post 9752426)
With Stanzi at QB yes, Smith no.....Bowe will end up hating Alex noodle arm checkdown to RB's Smith.....ouch....:cuss:

Leave now.
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aturnis 06-15-2013 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9748729)
He's shown flashes in a few games, playing in a system that doesn't ask him to rush the passer.

He fell backasswards into at least 2 of his 3 sacks last year.

Direckshun 06-17-2013 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 9753515)
The Kansas City Chiefs have claimed a new DE named Austen Lane off waivers from the Jacksonville Jaguars. To make room, the club has released DT Daniel Muir

Added.

Direckshun 06-17-2013 06:15 AM

Also, Baldwin has been promoted on this depth chart to #2 WR.

AussieChiefsFan 06-17-2013 10:45 PM

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...56139804_n.jpg

Rausch 06-22-2013 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9758587)

:clap:

-King- 06-24-2013 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9758587)

:clap::clap:

AussieChiefsFan 06-28-2013 06:20 AM

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...39472546_n.png

aturnis 06-28-2013 12:14 PM

They all said the same things about Cassel...

RustShack 06-28-2013 01:12 PM

Yeah, but a lot of them had also only played with Huard or Thigpen. Baby steps.

AussieChiefsFan 06-28-2013 09:12 PM

Yeah, I'm not going to take it as meaning too much yet. Just thought it'd be interesting to post.

ChiefGator 07-01-2013 02:25 PM

What is the next deadline on a long-term contract with Brandon Albert? I was thinking July 15th or so.

ChiefGator 07-08-2013 03:28 AM

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...r-albert-clady

Nothing earth shattering, so didn't deserve its own thread. But a reminder of the importance of this week.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESPN Bill Williamson
It’s deadline week in the AFC West.

July 15 is the final day of the calendar year in which a franchised player can sign a contract extension. Denver’s Ryan Clady and Kansas City’s Branden Albert were both given the franchise tag. Thus, if neither player signs an extension in the next eight days, neither can sign a new deal until after the season is over.

Predictably, the agents for both players will be talking to the Broncos and Chiefs this week. The Chiefs and Albert’s representative have long planned to talk this week. The Denver Post reported on Sunday that the Broncos and Clady will talk this week.

I think the odds are higher that Albert re-signs this week, but nothing would surprise me.

If neither player signs by the deadline, I do not think it will be a terrible sign. Deals can easily get done after the season and before free agency starts next March.


AussieChiefsFan 07-08-2013 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 9798020)
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...r-albert-clady

Nothing earth shattering, so didn't deserve its own thread. But a reminder of the importance of this week.

Would be awesome to get a deal done for Albert, but I won't be fretting if nothing get's done.

ct 07-08-2013 11:04 AM

Personally I don't think they are going out of their way to really sign BA long term. My opinion only, but think they're goin thru the motions, but have every intention of playing out the 1 yr tag deal and let him walk, thus moving Fish to the left next year.

ChiefGator 07-08-2013 11:37 AM

Signing BA to a long term deal is going to help our otherwise constrained salary cap. We have alot of dead money on the books this year, and may need some contract help just to get all our rookies signed.

In addition, it gives us two good tackles for the next 4-5 years, which is a very good position to be in. I don't think the coaching staff particularly cares where they line up, and BA won't really care once he is signed long-term as well. The only one who will eventually start to care is Fisher, but he has several years before he has to worry about that.

And, when the NFL signs a new TV contract it is expected to be for quite a bit more, which will raise the salary cap and salary floor. Large guarantee money with a fairly backloaded contract is probably the fiscally responsible thing to do in this case.

Finally, it will make some of the anti-Fish people to have to shut up if we weren't basically swapping BA + 1st overall pick for Fisher.

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2013 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 9798487)
Signing BA to a long term deal is going to help our otherwise constrained salary cap. We have alot of dead money on the books this year, and may need some contract help just to get all our rookies signed.

Complete bullshit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator
In addition, it gives us two good tackles for the next 4-5 years, which is a very good position to be in. I don't think the coaching staff particularly cares where they line up, and BA won't really care once he is signed long-term as well. The only one who will eventually start to care is Fisher, but he has several years before he has to worry about that.

:facepalm:

How many tackles in the NFL are "playing at a high level" at age 33 or 34? Besides that, Albert is barely above average at age 28 and he'll be 29 mid-season.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator
And, when the NFL signs a new TV contract it is expected to be for quite a bit more, which will raise the salary cap and salary floor. Large guarantee money with a fairly backloaded contract is probably the fiscally responsible thing to do in this case.

Based on his actions this off-season, I seriously doubt that he'll go for a backloaded contract, unless he receives $24 million or more guaranteed.

And then he's still on the books in 2015.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator
Finally, it will make some of the anti-Fish people to have to shut up if we weren't basically swapping BA + 1st overall pick for Fisher.

Who gives a ****?

ChiefGator 07-09-2013 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9800333)
Complete bullshit.

Our current cap number for the top 51 appears to be $119,113,860. The cap is about $123 million this year. We are supposed to spend between 4.5 million and 7 million on our rookie contracts. How is that not coming right up against the cap when you look at the fact we have to sign the 1.1 draft pick in Fisher? And we have over 14 million in dead money, which is obviously a big part of that, along with Albert's 9 mill.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9800333)
:facepalm:

How many tackles in the NFL are "playing at a high level" at age 33 or 34? Besides that, Albert is barely above average at age 28 and he'll be 29 mid-season.

BA has played five years in this league, one contract, and you already trying to put the fork in him?

There are plenty of players that play well, especially with a move to right tackle to prolong their career. Eric Winston, Locklear for the Giants, Winston Justice, Todd Herremans, David Stewart, Tyson Clabo, etc.. All of these players are between six and ten years in the league and are still productive and playing at a relatively high level.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9800333)
Based on his actions this off-season, I seriously doubt that he'll go for a backloaded contract, unless he receives $24 million or more guaranteed.


And then he's still on the books in 2015.

$24 million guaranteed or so sounds absolutely right. I didn't mean a low signing bonus and very low first two years. Not THAT backloaded. No one in their prime would agree to that.

Good, we want him on the books in 2015. You think he is going to go from his prime to absolute crap in two years? That's one hell of a prediction


Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9800333)
Who gives a ****?

I was being a bit facetious, I admit. But, I give a shit about the Chiefs I guess. And I give a shit that we are collecting talent, and not just swapping talent.

aturnis 07-09-2013 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 9800351)
Our current cap number for the top 51 appears to be $119,113,860. The cap is about $123 million this year. We are supposed to spend between 4.5 million and 7 million on our rookie contracts. How is that not coming right up against the cap when you look at the fact we have to sign the 1.1 draft pick in Fisher? And we have over 14 million in dead money, which is obviously a big part of that, along with Albert's 9 mill.



BA has played five years in this league, one contract, and you already trying to put the fork in him?

There are plenty of players that play well, especially with a move to right tackle to prolong their career. Eric Winston, Locklear for the Giants, Winston Justice, Todd Herremans, David Stewart, Tyson Clabo, etc.. All of these players are between six and ten years in the league and are still productive and playing at a relatively high level.



$24 million guaranteed or so sounds absolutely right. I didn't mean a low signing bonus and very low first two years. Not THAT backloaded. No one in their prime would agree to that.

Good, we want him on the books in 2015. You think he is going to go from his prime to absolute crap in two years? That's one hell of a prediction




I was being a bit facetious, I admit. But, I give a shit about the Chiefs I guess. And I give a shit that we are collecting talent, and not just swapping talent.

The rookie salary pool is already figured in against our current cap number...

ChiefGator 07-10-2013 03:28 AM

Rookies salaries are included in our salary cap as soon as they are drafted, but they are included at the minimum active list salary, which is roughly $405,000 this year. Clearly Fisher is going to exceed that by quite a bit.

There is no separate rookie salary pool, that is just minimum and maximum values which the team must/cannot exceed when signing their rookies.

http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.ph...iefs&Year=2013

However, it looks like the Chiefs rolled over 14 million salary cap space from 2012 into 2013, so that would alleviate the problem, at least per Adam Teicher.

ChiefGator 07-10-2013 03:33 AM

Here is an old salary article, but it does have the carry-over for all NFL teams.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2...p-room-by-team

It has our carry-over of $14,079,650, giving us a team salary cap of $132,842,454.

ChiefGator 07-11-2013 01:49 PM

An article on the salary cap that claims we really have $20,000 in free cap room after we sign Fisher.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...160438390.html

penbrook 07-12-2013 02:15 PM

John Clayton just said B Albert getting signed has a chance. He said they are gonna offer him a contract as late as today and see if he will accept it by Monday.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-14-2013 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9807590)
John Clayton just said B Albert getting signed has a chance. He said they are gonna offer him a contract as late as today and see if he will accept it by Monday.

I hope it's a REAL offer and not bullshit. why have they waited till the last minute to throw an offer together anyhow. Makes one think they don't have their heart in it. Maybe they want to see how he performs this year and if Fisher needs to be moved to LT and figure they can franchise him again anyway.

Chief Roundup 07-14-2013 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9810870)
I hope it's a REAL offer and not bullshit. why have they waited till the last minute to throw an offer together anyhow. Makes one think they don't have their heart in it. Maybe they want to see how he performs this year and if Fisher needs to be moved to LT and figure they can franchise him again anyway.

I think they have offered him a couple of different contract offers this offseason. The Chiefs FO has not waited until the last minute.

RustShack 07-14-2013 06:45 PM

I thought they couldn't negotiate again until just recently... They tried up until the deadline and started up again when they could.

Chief Roundup 07-15-2013 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9812373)
I thought they couldn't negotiate again until just recently... They tried up until the deadline and started up again when they could.

Today is the deadline for a contract to get/be signed. If it isn't signed today they can't negotiate a new deal until after the season.
IMO if he doesn't sign today he will be traded sooner or later.

Direckshun 07-15-2013 12:11 PM

Any changes to the roster in the OP?


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