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Mr. Kotter 02-17-2018 12:38 PM

Mueller Destroys "total hoax," "made-up story," and "greatest witch hunt" Lies
 
Guess Trump can now stop spouting his lies about Russian interference in the election, eh?

Even Trump's National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster responds to the indictments of 13 Russian nationals for their roles in attempted meddling in the 2016 election, saying evidence of Russian interference is "incontrovertible."


https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/polit...sel/index.html

Robert Mueller just made it impossible for Trump to call the special counsel probe a 'total hoax'

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

On Friday afternoon, the Justice Department announced that special counsel Robert Mueller had indicted 13 Russian nationals for their roles in attempted meddling in the 2016 election.

Most of these people do not live in the United States, and you can bet your bottom dollar that Russia won't be extraditing them any time soon. But that's not the point.
The point is this: The indictments of a baker's dozen of Russians gives us a very clear window into not only the depth and breadth of the Mueller investigation, but also makes crystal clear what the Russians wanted in the 2016 election and the elaborate measures they undertook to make it happen.

This paragraph stands out:

"Defendant ORGANIZATION had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates, and by early to mid-2016, Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."

OK. So what we know from that paragraph of the charging documents, which you can read in full here, is this:
  • By "early to mid-2016," Russians had decided to use whatever means at their disposal to help Donald Trump win.
  • The Russians bought political ads on social media sites and organized political rallies to achieve those goals.
  • Russians, disguising their identities, "communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign" in an attempt to "coordinate political activities."
  • None of that is a smoking gun of collusion.
  • "Unwitting" members of Trumpworld working with Russians, who didn't identify themselves as Russians, is not the same as a willful effort on behalf of members of the Trump campaign to actively collude with the Russian government.
  • But what this latest set of indictments proves beyond a shadow of a doubt is that, yes, Russia staged an aggressive and elaborate effort to influence the 2016 election.
  • This was a multi-pronged campaign -- social media, in-person meetings, political rallies -- by the Russians to beat Hillary Clinton and elect Donald Trump. It employed hundreds of people.
  • That analysis, of course, jibes with the unanimous conclusion of the intelligence community in 2017 that Russia actively sought to influence the 2016 election in support of Trump.
  • What it runs directly counter to is Trump's ongoing -- and persistent -- attempts to cast the entire special counsel investigation as nothing more than a politically motivated sideshow.

    Here's a sampling of Trump's recent tweets touching on Mueller's investigation.
  • "This memo totally vindicates 'Trump' in probe. But the Russian Witch Hunt goes on and on. Their was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction (the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead)." (2/3/18)
  • "The single greatest Witch Hunt in American history continues. There was no collusion, everybody including the Dems knows there was no collusion, & yet on and on it goes. Russia & the world is laughing at the stupidity they are witnessing. Republicans should finally take control!" (1/10/18)
  • "The Russia-Trump collusion story is a total hoax, when will this taxpayer funded charade end?" (5/8/17)

There's lots (and lots) more tweets and quotes just like that from the President. Trump has suggested the attempted election hacking could have been perpetrated by China or even as a "guy sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds."

You get the idea. Despite the unanimous conclusion of the intelligence community -- including Trump's CIA Director Mike Pompeo and his FBI Director Christopher Wray -- that Russia engaged in a coordinated effort to meddle in the 2017 election, Trump still wasn't convinced.

Of course, this changes nothing when it comes to how Trump will respond. Even Friday afternoon, Trump tweeted about the Russian indictments, once again beating the "no collusion" drum.

"Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President," Trump tweeted. "The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!"

But if it was very hard to hold the Trumpian position -- it might have been Russia, it might have been someone else! -- with a shred of intellectual honesty prior to Friday, it's impossible now.

Consider what the Mueller investigation has already done:
  • Former national security adviser Michael Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign and is cooperating with the Mueller investigation.
  • Former foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign and is cooperating with the Mueller investigation.
  • Former deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates is reportedly on the verge of signing a plea agreement and cooperating with Mueller. Gates faces a variety of charges, including money laundering and other financial crimes.
  • Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort faces a variety of charges of financial crimes
  • 13 Russians have been indicted on participating in a broad-scale attempt to throw the election to Trump.

That is not the stuff of witch hunts and hoaxes. Those are real-life charges which carry at least the possibility of real jail time.

And they all make a simple point: It's long past time for Trump to stop name-calling an investigation that has uncovered a massive effort for a foreign government to meddle in a US presidential election.

Easy 6 02-17-2018 12:42 PM

Sure, just quit trying to drag Trumps name into this, and we can get down to the real business of Russian meddling

mlyonsd 02-17-2018 12:42 PM

kotter things.

Easy 6 02-17-2018 12:46 PM

The mantra that Russia wanted Trump to win is garbage, their purpose all along was to sow discord and undermine faith in our elections... these 13 indicted Russians organized simultaneous pro AND anti-Trump demonstrations in NYC

They arent backing ANYONE, their goal was to stir shit... and they've done a fantastic job of it

Mr. Kotter 02-17-2018 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13422287)
Sure, just quit trying to drag Trumps name into this, and we can get down to the real business of Russian meddling

Trump's the one that made these ridiculous claims there was nothing to it. Of course, the collusion claims are secondary to the investigation which Trump has fought every step of the way and that he has actively tried to discredit, derail, and detract from for the better part of a year. He's appeared to be curiously eager to get rid of the Russian investigation BEFORE it could run it's course....or before it can find any possible evidence of collusion.

I wonder why that would be, if he were so innocent and confident there was nothing to it... :hmmm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13422290)
The mantra that Russia wanted Trump to win is garbage, their purpose all along was to sow discord and undermine faith in our elections... these 13 indicted Russians organized simultaneous pro AND anti-Trump demonstrations in NYC

They arent backing ANYONE, their goal was to stir shit... and they've done a fantastic job of it

That is NOT what Mueller's indictment on Friday says; I'll take Mueller's word over yours....

BucEyedPea 02-17-2018 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13422290)
The mantra that Russia wanted Trump to win is garbage, their purpose all along was to sow discord and undermine faith in our elections... these 13 indicted Russians organized simultaneous pro AND anti-Trump demonstrations in NYC

Yep, It was the Trump involved with Russia and collusion that's the hoax. Plus, what the Russians did was not even significant. Kotter is making a strawman. Of course, CNN is his source—the biggest hoaxers around.

Taco John 02-17-2018 12:58 PM

He also blew up "TrumpRussia" but I didn't notice that in the headline.

Easy 6 02-17-2018 12:58 PM

Simultaneous pro and anti-Trump rallies seems an odd thing to do to your preferred leader

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-election.html

But you go right on ahead and keep whacking it to your fever dreams of Trump impeachment

'No Americans were knowingly involved'

Mr. Kotter 02-17-2018 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 13422304)
He also blew up "TrumpRussia" but I didn't notice that in the headline.

Ultimately, that could be true if your TrumpCuck wet dreams come true...

However, that part is still under investigation; time will tell....be patient.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13422305)
Simultaneous pro and anti-Trump rallies seems an odd thing to do to your preferred leader

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-election.html

But you go right on ahead and keep whacking it to your fever dreams of Trump impeachment

'No Americans were knowingly involved'

That Trumpbots were too stupid to realize they were being played is not surprising. The switch to the secondary goal of discord AFTER the election in now way precludes possible collusion yet to be corroborated...be patient.

Taco John 02-17-2018 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter (Post 13422308)
Ultimately, that could be true if your TrumpCuck wet dreams come true...

However, that part is still under investigation; time will tell....be patient.

It's funny how you burn with hate so much that you'll take any opportunity to squeeze in the new swear word you just learned, even if it doesn't really fit.

Always such a dork.

HonestChieffan 02-17-2018 01:07 PM

Kotterthread nearly OHthread Bad.

Easy 6 02-17-2018 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter (Post 13422308)
That Trumpbots were too stupid to realize they were being played is not surprising.

Uhhh, plenty of you triggered halfwits showed up for the phony anti-Trump protests

Taco John 02-17-2018 01:23 PM

A clear sign that Kristol knows that the Mueller investigation is a dead end for his cause.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Mueller investigation is important &amp; it needs to be defended. But we who were never Trump were so before we knew of Russian interference, let alone WH obstruction of justice. We opposed Trump due to his character &amp; unfitness for high office. I for one haven&#39;t changed my mind.</p>&mdash; Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/964942228081795072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mr. Kotter 02-17-2018 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13422319)
Uhhh, plenty of you triggered halfwits showed up for the phony anti-Trump protests

No one I know....some LWNJ/SJW/True Never-Trumper/Anti-fa types, sure. But most of us who despise that faction of the Dem party, almost as much as we despise the Tea-Party/Alt-Right/White Nationalist/KKK wing of the GOP....we realized the inanity of that, and choose to vent our disappointment in less silly ways. So no...

Just Passin' By 02-17-2018 02:29 PM

Kotter decided to expose himself as an idiot again?


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