Russell Wilson
 

I am so proud of this dude, so close to winning his first 2 playoff games. He is going to win us a Superbowl someday. What a rollercoaster of a game today.. JFC!

I really like him a lot. Wish we hade a QB like him here..... oh, wait... we CAN, if we draft Geno Smith!

Must be nice to have a young healthy franchise QB. We'll find out soon enough!!

You have a bright future with this QB/Coach Joe. Sorry for the loss, I was pulling for them.

Great season for him no doubt. Interesting how he will do after teams have an offseason of tape to look at.

Best Rookie QB this year. Enjoy him for years to come.

that pass (to tate?) up the middle during his final drive was clutch. he's a baller.

I am ****ing green with envy.

I said in the game thread wondered how JoeSeahawk would take this. I was right that you would be excited for the future of your team.

That's my thought as well. He's a gamer, no question, always showed up in big games in college too, but I expect a bit of a sophomore slump out of him and kaepernick both. I think it really benefits rookies to play pistol-style simplified playbooks, but I expect them to struggle as the playbooks are opened up a little more next year, and the league has plenty to study, both of them and their tendencies, and the playcalling.

Great year, though, no question.

He's a thrower first, runner second. I think he is the next Steve Young.

It's not fair to lump him in with Kaepernick, IMO. SF runs a much more simplified O than Seattle, even if the Hawks do use zone read concepts.

Hey, we got Donald Stephenson. Nothing to feel bad about.

Yup, his upside is higher than Kaepernick because he demonstrates great pocket awareness and is definitely a throw first QB. Kaep will be easier to game plan for, IMO, because he looks to run first.

It just goes to show, there are good QBs later on in the draft if your personnel people can find them.

We already have our Ricky Stanzi. So if you are suggesting we don't take a QB with the #1 pick, I suggest deactivating your account.

I am not suggesting that because I'm doubting there will be good trade partners this year. If we can't get a good trade I would be for reaching for Geno.

I am imagining a blockbuster trade though.

Fixed it.

You got a winner there Joe.

Eh, Kaepernick definitely looks to pass first. He just takes off whenever he sees a surplus if green in front of him; and why shouldn't he?

this guy has amazing pocket awareness

and that bozo at Wisconsin fell ass backwards into him to when he transferred there. (oddly enough helping him get a job in the SEC)

Russel Wilson is a very good player of the game of football

I don't know who I'd take...Rodgers or Wilson.

Honest to God.

Those are the two QB's I'd pick first to build a team around.

Sure but if I was defense game planning to make either QB a pocket passer and taking away running lanes, I would be much more fearful of Wilson's skills as a pocket QB. His downfield ball is very accurate.

Congrats on a good run with a rookie QB...

I'll take Luck.

Wilson had a better year against tougher competition, but he did have a better defense and running back, although Luck's receivers are better.

Luck is obviously the more traditional player, and he showed he can take a beating and still play well. I think it's pretty close.

Seattle had a top 5 defense and running game. There's a pretty good history of rookie QB's doing well in those situations (Roethlisberger, Sanchez). Wilson had a bigger part in their success than those other guys though, no doubt.

But Luck had nothing like that, set a rookie passing record for yards, had seven 4th quarter game winning drives, and led a 2-14 team to 11-5. People are so ga-ga with the running QB's they don't realize the amazing things he did this year. I'm pretty sure Luck led the league in 4th quarter winning drives. That's amazing.

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Luck BUT

Wilson just...wow. That's all I can say. He does everything amazing well. He can run, he can extend plays, he always keeps his head down field, he has AMAZING accuracy, he has good arm strength, he has incredible poise, he has brass balls...

He's the new freaking Tom Brady.

3rd round pick? Are you kidding me? OMG I'm so jealous. The display he put on today, as a rookie, was unbelievable. Shit, that was one of the best QB'd 2nd halves I've ever seen in my life. Even in the 1st half he was pretty damn good despite no points.

That is the most impressed I've been with a QB since Rodgers lost a game to Warner in the playoffs the Arizona year. Rodgers, even in a loss, was unbelievable.

Today, Wilson was outstanding. OMG

I don't think anyone has more talent than that guy. Bleacher report LMAO

I was called reactionary today but I simply believe Wilson is better than Luck. I'd honestly take Wilson over every QB in the NFL right now. Him or Rodgers. That's who I'd build a franchise around if I was given that luxury.

can't say enough about him, the Seahawks and Pete Carrol. That was the most impressive loss I've seen in recent history.

Incredible finish. Shame to lose so narrowly, but the future looks promising!

and I was also dead wrong about the NFC West being an easier mountain to climb than the AFC West with Manning

those two QB's...good luck

that division had a QUICK turnaround

STUD!

Congrats and we are jealous.

That might be as much a matter of time on the field as it is anything else. If Kaepernick had started out the year as the starter they might do do more with him now. Although that team is traditionally pretty risk-averse on offense. But he has, what, 8 or 9 starts in two years? You don't usually see teams open up the playbook with a guy who comes in mid-year.

I'm not a big fan of Kaepernick's, in any case, my main point is that I've seen a lot of a first year starters do this kind of thing, then come back to struggle. Newton being the most recent example that comes to mind. Still had a decent season, but more of a decline from last year than a progression. I would not be surprised to see the same for Wilson, and I'd probably temper my expectations in the near-term were I a Seahawks fan.

Hope he does well, though. Nice to see a (young - brady doesn't count) big 10 QB playing some good football for a change. And I've always found the Seahawks to be a team that's hard to dislike.

There isn't even a comparison between Wilson and what Roethlisberger and Sanchez did as rookies, even if both won games and a lot of them. Wilson was also asked to win games and did it. He threw far fewer interceptions and more touchdowns than Luck, had a higher YPA, completion percentage (by 10 points), and he didn't have the benefit of a galvanizing force like ChuckStrong behind him.

Indy was a mirage. The debate is over how much of that credit you give to Luck as opposed to aberrational factors. If you look at FBO, for example, Indy is not only the worst 11-5 team in like 20 years, they were worse than any 10-6 team over the same time span. That suggests a team that was significantly worse than their record. Their Pythagorean W-L was 7-9. They were outscored by opponents. They got destroyed by the Jets and lost at home to Jacksonville. They barely beat the Chiefs.

Keep in mind that teams that often outperform Pythag often crater the next year. The 2011 and 2012 Chiefs are examples of that.

That's not to say that Luck is not an exceptional QB prospect. However, I think his team's BABIP this year was about .410. I realize that a counterargument could be made that Luck's late-game ability helped elevate the team, and I think there is some merit to it, but if i were a gambling man I would POUND Indy's under next year.

Kaepernick's a second year player, Wilson isn't. That means he's had an additional year to ingest NFL playbooks. I think it's fair to make a pretty straight comparison about where they are in their development, realizing that nothing is a direct 1:1 substitute for starting.

I'm the type of guy who uses the eye test more than stats...I make my own opinions based off of what I see.

I saw Luck make one of the worst passes I've ever seen in my life against the Chiefs overthrowing a wide open player in the end zone.

I think Luck will be great. I think this year he was average.

RUSSEL WILSON was off the charts good after about the first 1.5 months of the season. He played like the best QB in the NFL the past two months. Just sensational. He has no weaknesses, being short effects him in no way, and he can do EVERYTHING. His ability to extend the play and make big plays is second to none.

He's OMG good.

Kaepernick is another guy I was real high on, and he at least made me 50/50 yesterday when I picked the 49ers based off their pass rush and the fact I thought Kaepernick was VASTLY underrated.

Well he's underrated no longer.

But yeah, these are your new NFL QB's. Luck will be successful and elite but he's a dying breed. These new "hybrid" QB's are going to take over and take over fast.

AND I WANT ONE OF MY OWN

You guys have a LOT to be hopeful about, that team has heart coming out of its earhole.

NEVER would've thought Pete freakin Carroll could assemble such a mighty, swaggering squad, were i a Seahawk fan i'd be THRILLED with my prospects.

I also think Wilson has dashing good looks, I love the fact he was a baseball player, and he is a great interview.

I take everything back I Said about him after our preseason game. I called him a "preseason hero" and 99 times out of 100 that's usually the case for rookies. Major props to him for his season and hopefully it's a long career. He's a true talent.

LMAO

This wasn't even meant to be an amusing post and I'm chuckling.

Mother****ing 'Hamas' Jenkins.

Wow that's depressing.:facepalm::facepalm:

Yes and other teams will find them. We need to just pick our guy with the first pick and be happy. It would show the team confidence that you can trust him to be the guy under center. Picking later in the draft is a much riskier business when the best of the crop can be got with the #1 pick.

Damn.

Dare we say

Russel Wilson is maybe even better than RG3

?

He'll probably have a longer career anyway.

Thank you. I am going to attach this to every thread where people keep touting Arians as a top of list head coach candidate.

Wait, what?

I still really like RGIII but he's nowhere close to as far as long in the QB developmental process as Russel Wilson.

That dude, oh man...the performance he put on today was LEGENDARY. The poise, everything.

I'd trade our #1 pick and 3 future 1sts for that kid IN A SECOND.

How did he get passed on so many times? This doesn't even compare to a Tom Brady. Brady sat for a whole year and didn't really develop superhuman QB abilities for a few years after that...even after his first Super Bowl he was still kind of a system QB.

Over the course of 1 season, Wilson developed into a SUPERSTAR. The dude is a throw first QB who can extend every play, escape from any situation, break off monster runs, display unbelievable accuracy..

and in his first ever postseason he put HIS team on HIS back and brought them back down 14 one time and almost from down 20 in ONE HALF another time...starting the 2nd half 10-10 for 185 yards and 2 TDs...

I mean.

****!

That's just unbelievable. Today he looked like GOD in a football uniform.

Why can't good things happen to us?

Matt Bryant is a dickhole.

Can you blame him? It's not like GB was filling those gaps to deter him from running. I think its an unfair assessment to think he is a run first guy just because he ran frequently based on what he was given.

I loved his interview where he ended it with "Go Hawks."

He sounded like a true professional, intelligent guy and yes...a good looking man. Great muscle definition, everything.

The dude is a man's man, and he can play the shit out of QB to boot!

I just traded Colin Kaepernick (17th round value) for Russel Wilson (5th round value) in my dynasty league (along with swapping 1st round picks, I get the #1 overall, guy gets the #8 overall). You lose the round your keeper was picked in in the draft so I'll lose a 5 and he'll lose a 17 which is why we swapped 1sts.

Wilson is my choice for Offensive Rookie of the Year. He has made some big plays at an accurate level.

According to NFL Network, Wilson set a rookie record for most passing yards in the postseason since 1937.

He is a very impressive young quarterback.

A big, excellent pocket passer will never go out of style... when you make great decisions and can take a beating, you're ALWAYS going to win plenty.

Luck ended the year with 54%, a stat that will surely climb, but he made great decisions and was always able to stay in the game, and you could ALWAYS tell his team had faith in him, as evidenced by their play.

The new breed like Wilson, Kaepernick, 3... absolutely, they are thrilling players in every sense of the word, but at some point even the most durable of them (wilson, kaep imo) will have to scale back the running and focus on the passing much more, thats flashy, high risk scheming will sooner or later sideline them way too much to hold their jobs.

Running ability for a quarterback is nothing more than the gravy on top of your pocket passing meat and potatoes.

like I said, I'm omitting Brady and Manning from all future lists, but here are my 2013 QB power rankings in terms of who I'd want running my team for ONE season.

1. Russel Wilson
2. Aaron Rodgers
GAP
3. Colin Kaepernick
GAP
4. Drew Brees
5. Andrew Luck
6. Eli Manning
7. RGIII
8. Matt Ryan
9. Cam Newton
10. GSIII (of course!!!)

I think Hamas hit the nail on the head with Wilson.

Steve Young.

I never thought of that.

I can agree that Kaepernick and RGIII still have major development to do that their amazing running abilities will mask for 5 years.

Wilson isn't comparable. He can do the running stuff, but he doesn't ever look to do it. He doesn't need it now to be amazing, it's just another skill in his arsenal.

Kaepernick probably wouldn't be the threat he is now without the running ability, that's for sure. Same with RGIII, although I think both of them can be good pocket QB's.

How big is the gap between aaron rodgers and Kaepernick? Going into last night, I'd say a huge one. But Kaepernick looked really good, and he has the best quarterback mind coaching him. He's going to be really, really good.

as a guy who watches very little college football and does very little college scouting

HOW IN THE **** DID EVERYONE MISS THIS GUY?

he's a man, so he's developed. The skill set was clearly there. Did being 5'10" really knock this guy to round 3? holy shit

I can see Brady...I don't think he was a MAN yet. I think he was still growing into his body a bit.

but this guy?

He clowned everyone.

The rare cross-racial QB comparison.

Most would agree that Harbaugh coached up Alex Smith.
Most would also agree that Kaepernick has a higher ceiling than Alex Smith.
So I think it's logical to think that with Kaepernick's athletic ability and ceiling as a pocket passer (with Harbaugh's help, of course), the guy can be much better. That's scary considering how good he was last night.

Dude, you are approaching epic gay status.

I think Andrew Luck's rookie season was overhyped because of the draft hype.

That team didn't pay a tough schedule and he threw a ton of picks and he only completed 54% of his passes.

Both RGIII and Russel Wilson had better seasons.

I'm not the guy who thinks you need a body of work to be considered the current best. I said the Packers Super Bowl year and the next year Rodgers was the most talented QB I had ever seen in my entire life.

I think I'm still taking Rodgers by a considerable margin because he is more traditional and makes passes that no one in the world can make.

I think he needs to work on taking less sacks. I don't think that is on his offensive line, I think it is on him. People always talk about Cutler having a terrible line in Chicago but I disagree. I think a QB can make a line look a whole lot better, or worse (like Cutler) than it really is.

If Kaepernick QB'd the Packers last night and Rodgers the 49ers, I still would have picked the 49ers to win. I thought the defense the 49ers have (FAST) presented a HUGE matchup problem for Rodgers.

I think Rodgers is on an elite level and he can carry a team to a championship with little help. I'm not sure I'm ready to elevate Kaepernick there yet BUT he's really, really close.

I mean, you can't defend a guy who is accurate with the deep ball, can throw it a mile and 100 MPH, and can run like Cam freaking Newton...and generally has made the smart decision 9 times out of 10. (and has a QB friendly head coach to help along the way)

It's has been discussed many times already, but the 1st few rounds of the draft especially the first round are all about measurables. It's because for the most part, most of the hits do fit into a certain measurable. It's all about playing the odds, but yes, every now and then a player will rise above his perceived ability. For every Wilson, Brady or Montana, there are about a thousand who fail.

all I know is Kaepernick and Wilson make me sad because I want my very own one of those

thinking Geno doesn't have that speed, am I right?

Lol at taking him over Rodgers

you know that's fine and dandy and I'm the last mother ****er on this board that goes "oh man we should have taken Gronk!" when he was taken a few picks after McCluster because it's so unrealistic...

but we had Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn...we needed a god damn QB. I'm fine not reaching and taking the 4th best QB prospect where we took Poe if he wasn't rated high...

but we have no excuse for not drafting a QB...and to think by the time we should have drafted one the guy would have, or at least should have been Wilson sickens me

^ This X100000. Wilson would have been a Top 5 pick had he been 6' 3" instead of 5' 11".

I love me some Aaron Rodgers.

if he fixes the 'holds the ball' too long problem, I'd take him #1 in a heart beat

what I saw today out of Russel Wilson?

I don't think anyone on this planet is capable of that.

like

I'm head over heels.

well at the very least this should change how scouts think

they said the same shit about Brandon Flowers and he turned out to be quite the 2nd round steal

I completely agree with all this, and I guess you weren't around... but you could find posts where I make several of these points over the last month or so. They might have been one of the worst playoff teams of any record of all time.

But they still made it. Part of it was the lack of decent teams of the AFC. But part of it is having a QB who played well under pressure for the most part. They are not a good team, but Luck carried them to 11-5. I think that actually aids my point.

If you gave Luck a top 5 running back and defense, he may have been good enough to get to a Super Bowl THIS year. He is a robot put on this earth to play QB.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. The first bolded paragraph is spot on, especially because aaron is really, really good. The reason I think Kaepernick is close is because he's making a huge difference now and he hasn't even started a full season. Couple his athletic ability with his composure, where he is at currently, and most importantly having Harbaugh, and you have one hell of a future QB.

And the second bolded paragraph played into my point well, so I bolded that too:thumb:

Well, this is why Pioli is out of a job.

I think the only thing I would have liked to see out of Wilson today, and this is nitpicking, is buying a bit more time on that hail mary to give his receivers a fighting chance.

Did you see what russell wilson did today with most would consider inferior talent?

I would take the packers' supporting cast over what russell wilson has to work with.

I think its a fair point, though I don't exactly agree.

I was pretty sold on Kaepernick after the Bears game. I don't really believe you can be THAT good and it be a fluke.

Sanchez would have "good" games statistically but they never passed the eye test for me. Same with Cassel (obviously)

and another guy who doesn't pass the eye test to me, at all, is Ryan Tannehill.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...lisberger-didn

the funny thing is Russel Wilson's contract LMAO

if I were him I'd be like "sup bros, new contract time."

I don't give a shit if I have another 3 years, I'm not playing another season like he did for $300K.

I don't really think you can compare Luck to RGIII or Wilson.

Luck's OL is dreadful, and the skill positions on that offense are lacking outside ancient Reggie Wayne.

even though with his charisma and charming good looks I'm sure he'll get a few advertising deals

Have you seen what they're paying Flynn?LMAO