Flacco - Franchise QB?
 

Tons and tons of debate about this during the game thread today. I'll throw the chew toy on the floor, go at it.

Flacco > PM

Hard to argue with the success he's had. Hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl yet, but his playoff record ain't bad at all.

I'd take him on my team.

Good enough to take a team to a SB (and win it) and provides long-term, high-quality stability at the QB position.

Not elite, but because of all of the above qualities, I will define him as a franchise QB.

That was impressive, but can he be consistent?

So inaccurate today. He was awful.

This was what I expected at the beginning of the year when I drafted Flacco and Torrey Smith.

definitely

I wonder how Flacco would be playing with a staff that wasn't so damn conservative.

It's difficult to get into a rythm when you are only passing on third down plays.

He is the Jim Kelly of Baltimore. Well almost

Isn't he the first QB to go to the playoffs each of his 1st five years in the league...?

I'll take it.

Very good.

Not elite.

He's a very decent QB. I don't think he'll ever be more than that though. But you can win a SB with a very decent QB.

Wow.

When the Baltimore OC turned him loose, he raped Denver.

If Bolden doesn't drop an easy ball in the endzone last year in the closing minute, he's in the Super Bowl. He isn't riding the D like he did years ago.

He was pretty mediocre his first 6 games or so, and carried by the defense in those early wins.

But he has stepped up his game in the 4 or so games.

Came up with some huge plays today.

And win at least 1 game each year.

I choose yes, but he needs to have better decision making. Dropped ints in this game saved his ass
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Too inconsistent.

He has a strong arm. Its not his fault. He had the Pats beat last year. Just catch the ****ing ball. That pass was there

FYP

This.

I saw a lot of inaccurate throws. Some of the long plays he just tossed it up and the defense just played it bad. People have seen too much Matt Cassel, everything looks good in comparison. He's decent but it's tough for me to put franchise by his name. I'd say Russel Wilson is better than him. In fact, 3 rookie QBs are better.

you should also take into account that the Ravens really should have made it to the Superbowl last year as well, I mean they got ****ED.

Yes he is a franchise QB. For the Ravens.


I didn't vote because I do not want him as our franchise QB. Give me Geno Smith. We deserve our own franchise QB from the draft.

Hes shown this year that he is a franchise QB. He isnt Brady, but hes Matt Ryan, hes Trent Green.

Agreed. They never converted 3rd down in the 1st half because they were taking huge shots downfield. I loved it. Wonder where it went in the 2nd half?

Both Matt Ryan and Flacco are franchise QBs for their teams. Every year they put their teams in the playoffs. To become "ELITE" they have to win in the playoffs and Super Bowls with making clutch QB play. Not just to count on their defenses to save them.

I might be wrong but I think flacco is the all time leading QB when it comes to playoff victories on the road

To all the people voting yes, would you trade our #1 pick for him?

When was Trent Green ever considered a "franchise" QB?!?

BTW - Flacco made himself a lot of $$$ today.

That game tying TD was cool. He had to step up to avoid the sack and he fired off a strike between two corners.

No.

But if we draft a defensive lineman or a tackle I reserve the right to flip flop.

If we take Geno Smith I'm taking him
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He had several very productive years here, and even though he had more picks than TD's his first year, still threw for over 3700 yards. Trent Green wasnt a great QB, but he was the entry level franchise QB, same as Flacco.

I would agree with you here on many fronts. Except I'd replace your first sentence with "Good enough to take a GOOD SUPPORTING CAST to a SB...."

But also agree with how you separated "franchise" from "elite." There are about 4-5 elite QBs in the league in any era, and no team should beat themselves up for not finding them. Flacco isn't in that category and I don't think he ever will be.

He was a Lee Evans drop from playing in the Super Bowl last year. So, yeah.

That's fair. He's an unusual case in that he doesn't need to be carried, but he's not going to carry a team consistently, either.

No. I would rather swing for the fences and try to find our elite QB. Reid is a guy who loves to pass the ball a ton. I don't know that I'd trust Flacco in an unbalanced offense.

Never been a fan, and wouldn't want him on my team but it's hard to argue against the guy. He's more clutch than PM ever was.

23 people in here are flat out snake bit after Trent Green to vote "Yes"

Trent Green was absolutely a franchise QB. Elite? No. Franchise, yes.

You put him on Baltimore's team with Flacco's supporting cast, and I bet he'd be every bit as successful as Flacco has been.

Flacco is very good, but not great. He threw some deep balls today that had no right being caught. Today was more about horrible pass D than Flacco being a franchise QB.

If Flacco can go on the road and beat the Patriots or Texans, and be one of the major factors, maybe I'll change my mind.

He was not a franchise QB because of his short time with the team. Not enough years.

Well his success is undeniable

Flacco has only had one more year, and they have comparable numbers except for Greens massive advantage in yardage. Trent was a fledgling franchise QB whos career was ended with a massive concussion.

Flacco is a fledgling franchise QB with a defense, hence the playoff wins. I think they are very comparable at this point in Flaccos carreer

Flacco was good today. Manning sucked.

Flacco's absolutely a QB you build around.

I would trade this #1 for him in 1.2 seconds.

.....I'll let the rest of CP handle this.

Flaaco picked a good time to start being good again. He is going to get a nice fat check from Bisciotti this offseason.

No no no. Flacco is not a great qb. He made a couple of really great throws, but he just doesn't have it upstairs. He's Grbac with better accuracy.

Eat my shit, Blaine.

I think Flacco is continuing to develop, but there's no way in hell I'm trading that pick for him.

As time passes, I fully expect for Kaepernick, and Russel Wilson to surpass him in the QB ranks, not to mention Luck and RGIII.

The #1 overall should be dedicated to a dynamic playmaker, and Flacco will never be that.

I'd trade out #1 for him.

Hell never be a top10 QB...but he's a massive upgrade to the pile of dogshit we've been trotting out there since Green.

It's a tough question. If we're asking "Would I rather have Joe Flacco than picking one of the QB's we have a chance to have in the draft?" I'd have to say yes. But I'd be disappointed about it.

I would have liked to have drafted him instead of glen dorsey. But no, I wouldn't give up anything substantial to get him, nor would I rather have him than just drafting one.

But wow, the play right before the big bomb that tied the game (which was a massive under throw and should have been picked) Flacco scrambled with a minute left in the game. He's just one of those guys that is going to have the tools to win close games but shit the bed doing stupid things. Glad he didn't today though.

:spock:

I think Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson have higher ceilings than Flacco.

I am taking one of those with that pick, and not even considering Flacco in trade with it.

Flacco is the safe route.

Drafting an unproven college QB is the risky route, but that is the route I am taking.

You can not achieve greatness if you are unwilling to risk failure to achieve it.

I will forever refer to him as "The Donkey Slayer"

I would trade the first overall pick for him. He has a very strong arm and is nails on the road. The guy just doesn't break.

He put Baltimore in the position to be in the SB last year. He outplayed Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. He's absolutely a guy to build around.

I think he's just starting to reach his ceiling this year too. Would not be surprised to see him lead that team to the SB.

I honestly think he has had several large obstacles to overcome. A team which has always valued defense, conservative coaching and bad play calling. He is a franchise qb, maybe just not an elite one...

He turns 28 this week. Its the age you start winning championships.

Let em ask you this.

Would you rather build a team around Joe Flacco or Colin Kaepernick?

I'm still going to say NO, that doesnt diminish a gutty road performance but i still wouldnt want him leading my future.

He did have a killer road game, but i need to see MUCH more before i fall in love with this big pocket passer.

The bomb that kept them in it never would've happened if that safety had been playing ball, Joe got it there, sure... but if not for the egregious error, the ravens go home angry.

He swayed me a bit, but not enough yet.

Me I would rather build around Flacco. Kapernick's running ability will eventually go away espeically after the NFL coordinators have more tape on him.

Depends on how Kaepernick plays the rest of the game tonight and next week if they make it.

Flacco has shown he can get his team to the SB. He's also outplayed Manning AND Brady on the road. Idk what else you could ask for from a QB in our conference?

I like anyone who can throw the ball longer then 10 yards, he's damn good at the long ball

Agree on the not great, but those balls never get caught without the arm to get them there.

He hasn't shown he can team his team to a super bowl. They lost and didn't get there
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Pretty clear Kaepernick is establishing himself as a top tier QB right before our eyes. I'd take him over nearly anyone at this point.

Kaepernick and it's not even close. You take the dual threat guy...and CK is probably the better overall QB anyways and is only going to get better.

I'm a Flacco fan but would take Kaepernick given that choice. For sure.

Butthurt that your boy Wilson isn't going #1 overall even if all the QBs in the draft decided not to go in the draft? It's ok. He'll end up in Buffalo freezing his butt off and failing.

Based on past QB's with similar style of play as Kaepernick, he doesn't have a long shelf life in the NFL.

Flacco on the other hand hasn't missed a start in 5 seasons and can play at a high level for another 10 years.

I'll take Flacco.

CK isn't a run first QB anyways. He will use his younger days to make plays w/ his legs while he masters the NFL game, and eventually will turn into a fine pocket passer.

Who, exactly, are you comparing Kaepernick to?

Cunningham was every bit the dynamic athlete that any of these guys are, likely far more gifted. But the mindset of the league just hadn't evolved at that time. Today? Whoa...guy would be ridiculous in the right system under the right HC.

Yup.

Let's be careful about hyping up Kaepernick's stock. He's played terrific, but keep in mind this is a team that is so damn good in all areas of the game that they actually brought Alex Smith to an NFC Championship game. And against a defense that hasn't been very good this year.

SF should be very happy to have him. But let's not get too quick about overhyping a QB who has so far only won one playoff game.