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Hog's Gone Fishin 11-18-2012 09:31 AM

Landry Jones > Geno Smith
 
It's true.

BigMeatballDave 11-18-2012 09:32 AM

Scott, is that you?

CaliforniaChief 11-18-2012 09:33 AM

LMAO

BlackHelicopters 11-18-2012 09:34 AM

Whatever Jemele Hill says is fine with me.

Mr. Arrowhead 11-18-2012 09:35 AM

:popcorn:

Reerun_KC 11-18-2012 09:36 AM

And stupid has shown up this morning. Jones is laughable. Just ask an.OU fan.

TribalElder 11-18-2012 09:37 AM

LOL

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rabblerouser 11-18-2012 09:37 AM

I can totally see Pholey trading down and grabbing Jones...

x|

Frazod 11-18-2012 09:39 AM

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notorious 11-18-2012 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9127912)
And stupid has shown up this morning. Jones is laughable. Just ask an.OU fan.

It HAS to be sarcasm.

BlackHelicopters 11-18-2012 09:45 AM

Jones has a nice porn stache

notorious 11-18-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9127933)
Jones has a nice porn stache

It will suit him well since he will **** whatever team drafts him on camera.

keg in kc 11-18-2012 09:48 AM

Is this another thread about hogstroking?

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-18-2012 09:54 AM

You'll see !

Oh wait , we just did.

Dunerdr 11-18-2012 09:56 AM

Your a dumb mother****er im an Oklahoma resident. Landry= Cassle with college reps plenty of starts still makes freshman mistakes Genos no RGIII but hes still in a whole other league from Landry.osuOSU's Chelf is as good as Landry and hes a backup.

okcchief 11-18-2012 09:58 AM

Pioli staying and trading down to draft Jones would give me ample reason to tell this team to **** off.

BlackHelicopters 11-18-2012 10:01 AM

Meth is a horrible drug

CoMoChief 11-18-2012 10:01 AM

Best QB in next draft will be Aaron Murray

whoman69 11-18-2012 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9127933)
Jones has a nice porn stache

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9127938)
It will suit him well since he will **** whatever team drafts him on camera.

I see Cassel is trying to grow one as well.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-18-2012 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 9127957)
Your a dumb mother****er im an oklahoma resident landry= cassle with college reps plenty of starts still makes freshman mistakes genos no rgIII but hes still in a whole other league from landry.osus chelf is as good as landry and hes a backup.

Please correct your spelling.

Dunerdr 11-18-2012 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9127973)
Please correct your spelling.

Those are not spelling errors. That is a lack of punctuation and captilization. Now please continue to go choke on the large cock of your choice.

NJChiefsFan 11-18-2012 10:09 AM

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Chiefs Pantalones 11-18-2012 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9127897)
It's true.

You's a dumb mother ****er won't you back that ass up!

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1ChiefsDan 11-18-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9127897)
It's true.

I see that in addition to drinking hog cum you smoke meth as well. Obviously not a good combination.

MahiMike 11-18-2012 10:32 AM

After watching the game last night, I have to agree. Geno's arm strength is no better than Cassel's. And for a black guy, he's slow. I just don't see what the fuss about him is. Landry on the other hand has a strong, accurate arm. His only knock is his mobility. But if Big Ben can make it without scramble ability, so can he.

RealSNR 11-18-2012 10:33 AM

It's bad to drink at breakfast, dude. Let your stomach get some food in it before you spend the day drunk.

hometeam 11-18-2012 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9128027)
After watching the game last night, I have to agree. Geno's arm strength is no better than Cassel's. And for a black guy, he's slow. I just don't see what the fuss about him is. Landry on the other hand has a strong, accurate arm. His only knock is his mobility. But if Big Ben can make it without scramble ability, so can he.

Are you high? I'm serious. Are you Katt Williams Oakland cocaine binge high?

RealSNR 11-18-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9128037)
Are you high? I'm serious. Are you Katt Williams Oakland cocaine binge high?

No, not high. Just stupid. I'm pretty sure Hog Farmer is messing around, though.

Rasputin 11-18-2012 10:41 AM

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KCUnited 11-18-2012 10:43 AM

Proof you should never guzzle your own product.

notorious 11-18-2012 10:43 AM

Hog is just drawing out the people that don't have a clue about Landry Jones.

MahiMike 11-18-2012 10:44 AM

Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

notorious 11-18-2012 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9128054)
Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

I have watched every game Landry Jones has played in his career. He is horrific, and his stats would show that if his WRs didn't gift him 5 yard curls for 60 yard TD's.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-18-2012 10:54 AM

I agree with Mr. Mahi. Geno is going to be a big big bust.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-18-2012 11:00 AM

Jones is taller

Ace Gunner 11-18-2012 11:08 AM


The Tale of the Tape: Landry Jones vs. Matt Barkley



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Everyone in the country knows that Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck is not only the No. 1 player at his position, but the No. 1 player in the entire country. But who’s No. 2 at quarterback?

There’s a competition playing out each week as USC’s Matt Barkley and Oklahoma’s Landry Jones trade punches to see who will have the honor of being the No. 2 quarterback in the 2012 NFL draft class. While that may sound like a green-ribbon consolation prize, the No. 2 quarterback could easily be drafted second overall when the April draft rolls around.

How do Barkley and Jones compare, and which player looks better? We’ll go to the film room and break down the game of each signal caller in this week’s Tale of the Tape.

*Special thanks to TMBDraft and DraftBreakdown for video footage



Grading Scale Requirements


All college players who are scouted during the regular season are graded on a fixed scale. Players must hit requirements before I write a scouting report—minimum three games viewed live or on film, at least a redshirt sophomore and they must be in my top 200 players. Each player is graded overall and per the traits that make up his position. For example, wide receivers are graded on hands, speed, route-running, size, etc.



The Grading Scale

Grade Draft Profile Description

10 No. 1 Overall Pick Elite, once-in-a-decade player
9.5-9.9 Top 5 Pick Exceptional, difference-maker early
9.0-9.4 Top 10 Pick Excellent, rookie starter
8.5-8.9 Top 25 Pick Special, rookie starter
8.0-8.4 Top 32 Pick First-rate, rookie starter/contributor
7.5-7.9 Top 50 Pick Very good, rookie starter/contributor
7.0-7.4 Top 64 Pick Very good, rookie starter/contributor
6.5-6.9 Top 75 Pick Good
6.0-6.4 Top 100 Pick Average
5.5-5.9 Top 125 Pick Average with issues
5.0-5.4 Top 175 Pick Average with issues
4.5-4.9 Top 250 Pick Borderline NFL talent
4.0-4.4 Undrafted FA Below average
3.5-3.9 Street Free Agent Marginal
3.0-3.4 Camp Body Marginal
2.5-2.9 AFL/UFL/CFL Inferior
2.4 < Reject Unworthy



Accuracy


Barkley: 8.9 | Jones: 9.3

One negative on the Matt Barkley scouting report has to be his accuracy. Playing in a pro system that allows him a receiver at every level on the majority of plays, Barkley has a career completion percentage of 61 percent—and that’s against Pac-12 defenses. Barkley is much better throwing short to intermediate routes. It is not an issue of arm strength, but a problem of deep accuracy. He does not have the same ability as other top quarterbacks to drop the ball into his receiver’s hands when pushing the ball up field.

The 2010 Oregon game saw Barkley avoid star cornerback Cliff Harris through much of the game, as Barkley had one completion charted to Harris’ man and threw a costly interception in another attempt at Harris. In the one matchup that would have featured Barkley versus a true NFL-caliber corner, USC backed down.

Landry Jones does a great job throwing the ball to where it’s catchable for his receivers. The best attribute I’ve seen from Jones in the two years and change watching him has been his accuracy. It’s top notch to all levels of the field. I was particularly impressed with Jones’ accuracy when throwing the deep fade. He puts the ball up against the sideline without throwing out of bounds. This, more than any other throw, shows off his ability to put the ball where he wants on a consistent basis. One negative here: Jones has a tendency to throw too high when going to crossing routes over the middle. That will get receivers destroyed in the NFL.



Arm Strength


Barkley: 9.1 | Jones: 9.1

Both Barkley and Jones have the arm strength to succeed in the NFL, but neither will ever be confused with John Elway.

Barkley initially impressed me with excellent velocity and presence when throwing to the outside and underneath. If used in a West Coast or spread system, Barkley’s arm strength will be top-notch. One red flag I charted for Barkley was his arm strength throwing deep-center. Against Oregon last season, Barkley tried to challenge projected first-round pick Cliff Harris deep. As you see here, the ball didn’t get there and Harris easily ran under for the interception.

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Comparisons between Jones and former Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford should be immediately thrown out based on this criterion alone. Where Bradford had a weaker arm, somewhat due to injuries, Jones has a pro-caliber arm.

In viewing multiple games this week in preparation for the article, one concern I began to have was Jones’ confidence in the deep ball. He looks to the checkdown far too often and way too soon. Jones' inability to challenge the defense deep is a red flag on my scouting report. Whether by design or preference, he only throws deep when the receiver is running free. There’s nearly zero footage of him threading the needle into tight coverage. You can’t put that all on his receivers, either. Jones is simply afraid to take deep shots.

In this video, on a scoring drive, you will see four throws from Landry Jones. Three are checkdowns and one is to a wide open Ryan Broyles.

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Delivery/Release


Barkley: 9.2 | Jones: 9.5

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Barkley looks good throwing a football at first glance. After an in-depth scouting of four games (Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Minnesota), I have concerns.

Barkley tends to throw “down” at his receivers. He has a very high release point, which is great considering he’s only 6’2”, but the ball travels at a downward trajectory when he’s throwing underneath (see video). Another issue I have is that Barkley leaves his feet far too often when throwing the ball. This limits his follow through, which affects both arm strength and accuracy.

One knock on Jones is the time it takes him from receiving the snap to having the ball ready to throw. He’ll move the ball around too much once he catches the snap. This is a bad habit that NFL teams will break. Jones also gets in a rhythm of dropping the ball before he throws, which is a tell that NFL safeties will feed on. He has to be more consistent in keeping the ball up throughout his reads and progressions.



Field Vision


Barkley: 8.4 | Jones: 9.3

Barkley does a great job of taking the snap under center and making his reads while dropping in the pocket. You would be hard-pressed to find another college quarterback being asked to make the reads that USC puts on Barkley’s shoulders. The downside to that is Barkley throws a good number of interceptions. He’s been asked to read the field, but his decision-making is not always great.

The Oklahoma offense gets the ball out of Jones’ hand very fast, which doesn’t allow for much time to see the field or breakdown the defense. The read is quick, most likely a check to see where the cornerback is on his No. 1 read and then a check down to the back flaring out. Jones benefits from a spread offense built on the checkdown. At the snap, Jones takes one look downfield and will then look to a back or wide receiver hitting a zone route. This is great for Jones’ accuracy numbers and comparable to an NFL system that utilizes spread sets and checkdowns to the running backs. This makes Jones a great fit for the Colts, Chiefs or Seahawks.


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Injury

Barkley: 9.7 | Jones: 10

There were no injuries found in a background check on Jones. Barkley has been banged up a few times in his career, notably an ankle sprain in 2010 that caused him to miss one game. This is definitely not an injury that would limit him in the future, though high ankle sprains can be consistent problems. Barkley also suffered a bruised shoulder in 2009.



Play-action


Barkley: 9.5 | Jones: 9.8

Barkley’s play-action skills are on par with NFL quarterbacks three to four years in to a system. He does an excellent job extending the ball away from his body to sell the fake, and is able to quickly adjust and locate receivers after the mesh. A favorite play for USC is to play-action off a stretch run fake to either the right or left, which allows Barkley to move slightly outside the pocket and fire away.

Oklahoma likes to run play-action and boot Jones to his left or right—something he does very well. The play-action fakes shown by Jones are NFL quality.

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Pocket Presence


Barkley: 8.5 | Jones: 9.6

Both players see a lot of shotgun sets, but in the four games I viewed for this article, I rarely saw Landry Jones under center—the only charted plays I have under center were on 3rd-and-1 or inside the red zone. Barkley ran a ton of under-center sets last season against Cal and Oregon. USC runs a pro-style offense, thanks to Lane Kiffin’s influence.

A red flag that jumps off the film at you is the amount of sacks Barkley takes. In 2010 he played behind a top 10 right tackle and a projected top 10 left tackle, but was still getting beaten up in the backfield.



Poise


Barkley: 9.3 | Jones: 9.7

Poise is one of those almost unscoutable qualities, like heart or work ethic. It’s even harder to grade when scouting two players who have rarely trailed in a college game.

Jones showed excellent poise and leadership in the Sooners' win over Florida State during the 2011 season. Facing a deficit, and a tough defense, Jones rose to the occasion and led his team. That’s what NFL scouts are looking for. Matt Ryan’s comeback win against Miami (FL) in 2007 generated the type of buzz among scouts that helped put Ryan on the map. The FSU game was equally as important for Jones.

Barkley, on the other hand, hasn’t seen a tough game in a hostile environment with NFL talent breathing down his neck since his freshman season at Ohio State. While that was a big game, it’s buried deep in the minds of scouts.
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Running Ability


Barkley: 8.0 | Jones: 7.5

Barkley is an excellent athlete who is used in many ways by the USC offense. He’s not a Michael Vick-style athlete, but good enough that any team considering him for the next level will be comfortable with his ability to move around in and out of the pocket.

Jones does a nice job booting off play-action, something the Sooners did a lot of in 2010. Jones has the speed to pick up a first down outside the pocket. He’s not a shifty runner, just a long strider with good quickness. Might be worth adding an NFL comparison here.



Size


Barkley: 8.0 | Jones: 9.9

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Much will be said about Barkley’s lack of height, and it is a concern. In the clip you will see Barkley read the defense pre-snap, take his drop and again read the defense. You can see here that he’s struggling to see over the linemen, and in trying to look downfield he doesn’t see the backside pressure coming from his right (throwing) side. Barkley has to be used in a moving pocket that will create natural passing lanes for him to see through.

Jones looks like a movie-star quarterback. He’s tall with broad shoulders and big hands. There’s nothing to question here.



Touch


Barkley: 9.5 | Jones: 9.8

One of the most underrated traits a successful quarterback must have is touch. NFL quarterbacks must be able to throw a pass that is catchable. It doesn’t matter how hard you can throw a ball if the receiver can’t catch it.

Both Jones and Barkley have excellent touch when throwing short to intermediate routes. The ball is placed in an area where the receiver can easily grab it and continue running. As both are set up in offenses that rely on short passes and yards after catch, they have been taught well to deliver the ball with the correct amount of velocity.

I favor Jones here, as he shows better touch when throwing deep. That ability to drop the ball over the receiver’s shoulder while hugging the sideline is a thing of beauty.



Overall

Barkley: 8.2 | Jones: 9.0

A popular draft comparison to these two players is the quarterback-heavy class of 2011. If Jones and Barkley were in the 2011 class, I would have ranked them at No. 1 (Jones) and No. 5 (Barkley)—with Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton between them.

The film never lies, and the players I saw when breaking down the film for this article were not on the level of what a top 10 pick should be. It’s absolutely possible that an NFL team will fall in love with one of these players and draft them higher, or that the need for quarterbacks will prevail over value. My recommendation would be that Landry Jones is drafted in the 10-15 range, while Matt Barkley is selected in the 25-32 area.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...s-matt-barkley

Saccopoo 11-18-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9128054)
Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

Ban?

RawFoodPhil 11-18-2012 11:11 AM

The topic starter is wrong on so many levels.... I live in OKC and have watched almost every game in this guys career. Landry Jones is average at best, and is the epitome of a Jekyll and Hyde QB. Yeah he would be an upgrade over Cassel, but we all know that isn't saying much...

hometeam 11-18-2012 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9128054)
Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

I know your trying to make a case for your guy. But saying stuff like that shows you really just.dont.know.

Priest31kc 11-18-2012 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9128054)
Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

This whole post is just full of fail. As is this thread.

There's too many moronic Chiefs fans out there.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-18-2012 11:24 AM

Landry Jones does a great job throwing the ball to where it’s catchable for his receivers. The best attribute I’ve seen from Jones in the two years and change watching him has been his accuracy. It’s top notch to all levels of the field. I was particularly impressed with Jones’ accuracy when throwing the deep fade. He puts the ball up against the sideline without throwing out of bounds. This, more than any other throw, shows off his ability to put the ball where he wants on a consistent basis

MahiMike 11-18-2012 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9128109)

The Tale of the Tape: Landry Jones vs. Matt Barkley



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Everyone in the country knows that Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck is not only the No. 1 player at his position, but the No. 1 player in the entire country. But who’s No. 2 at quarterback?

There’s a competition playing out each week as USC’s Matt Barkley and Oklahoma’s Landry Jones trade punches to see who will have the honor of being the No. 2 quarterback in the 2012 NFL draft class. While that may sound like a green-ribbon consolation prize, the No. 2 quarterback could easily be drafted second overall when the April draft rolls around.

How do Barkley and Jones compare, and which player looks better? We’ll go to the film room and break down the game of each signal caller in this week’s Tale of the Tape.

*Special thanks to TMBDraft and DraftBreakdown for video footage



Grading Scale Requirements


All college players who are scouted during the regular season are graded on a fixed scale. Players must hit requirements before I write a scouting report—minimum three games viewed live or on film, at least a redshirt sophomore and they must be in my top 200 players. Each player is graded overall and per the traits that make up his position. For example, wide receivers are graded on hands, speed, route-running, size, etc.



The Grading Scale

Grade Draft Profile Description

10 No. 1 Overall Pick Elite, once-in-a-decade player
9.5-9.9 Top 5 Pick Exceptional, difference-maker early
9.0-9.4 Top 10 Pick Excellent, rookie starter
8.5-8.9 Top 25 Pick Special, rookie starter
8.0-8.4 Top 32 Pick First-rate, rookie starter/contributor
7.5-7.9 Top 50 Pick Very good, rookie starter/contributor
7.0-7.4 Top 64 Pick Very good, rookie starter/contributor
6.5-6.9 Top 75 Pick Good
6.0-6.4 Top 100 Pick Average
5.5-5.9 Top 125 Pick Average with issues
5.0-5.4 Top 175 Pick Average with issues
4.5-4.9 Top 250 Pick Borderline NFL talent
4.0-4.4 Undrafted FA Below average
3.5-3.9 Street Free Agent Marginal
3.0-3.4 Camp Body Marginal
2.5-2.9 AFL/UFL/CFL Inferior
2.4 < Reject Unworthy



Accuracy


Barkley: 8.9 | Jones: 9.3

One negative on the Matt Barkley scouting report has to be his accuracy. Playing in a pro system that allows him a receiver at every level on the majority of plays, Barkley has a career completion percentage of 61 percent—and that’s against Pac-12 defenses. Barkley is much better throwing short to intermediate routes. It is not an issue of arm strength, but a problem of deep accuracy. He does not have the same ability as other top quarterbacks to drop the ball into his receiver’s hands when pushing the ball up field.

The 2010 Oregon game saw Barkley avoid star cornerback Cliff Harris through much of the game, as Barkley had one completion charted to Harris’ man and threw a costly interception in another attempt at Harris. In the one matchup that would have featured Barkley versus a true NFL-caliber corner, USC backed down.

Landry Jones does a great job throwing the ball to where it’s catchable for his receivers. The best attribute I’ve seen from Jones in the two years and change watching him has been his accuracy. It’s top notch to all levels of the field. I was particularly impressed with Jones’ accuracy when throwing the deep fade. He puts the ball up against the sideline without throwing out of bounds. This, more than any other throw, shows off his ability to put the ball where he wants on a consistent basis. One negative here: Jones has a tendency to throw too high when going to crossing routes over the middle. That will get receivers destroyed in the NFL.



Arm Strength


Barkley: 9.1 | Jones: 9.1

Both Barkley and Jones have the arm strength to succeed in the NFL, but neither will ever be confused with John Elway.

Barkley initially impressed me with excellent velocity and presence when throwing to the outside and underneath. If used in a West Coast or spread system, Barkley’s arm strength will be top-notch. One red flag I charted for Barkley was his arm strength throwing deep-center. Against Oregon last season, Barkley tried to challenge projected first-round pick Cliff Harris deep. As you see here, the ball didn’t get there and Harris easily ran under for the interception.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Wu0TFSzIUZU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Comparisons between Jones and former Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford should be immediately thrown out based on this criterion alone. Where Bradford had a weaker arm, somewhat due to injuries, Jones has a pro-caliber arm.

In viewing multiple games this week in preparation for the article, one concern I began to have was Jones’ confidence in the deep ball. He looks to the checkdown far too often and way too soon. Jones' inability to challenge the defense deep is a red flag on my scouting report. Whether by design or preference, he only throws deep when the receiver is running free. There’s nearly zero footage of him threading the needle into tight coverage. You can’t put that all on his receivers, either. Jones is simply afraid to take deep shots.

In this video, on a scoring drive, you will see four throws from Landry Jones. Three are checkdowns and one is to a wide open Ryan Broyles.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/nYG8v_yRqyk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Delivery/Release


Barkley: 9.2 | Jones: 9.5

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Barkley looks good throwing a football at first glance. After an in-depth scouting of four games (Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Minnesota), I have concerns.

Barkley tends to throw “down” at his receivers. He has a very high release point, which is great considering he’s only 6’2”, but the ball travels at a downward trajectory when he’s throwing underneath (see video). Another issue I have is that Barkley leaves his feet far too often when throwing the ball. This limits his follow through, which affects both arm strength and accuracy.

One knock on Jones is the time it takes him from receiving the snap to having the ball ready to throw. He’ll move the ball around too much once he catches the snap. This is a bad habit that NFL teams will break. Jones also gets in a rhythm of dropping the ball before he throws, which is a tell that NFL safeties will feed on. He has to be more consistent in keeping the ball up throughout his reads and progressions.



Field Vision


Barkley: 8.4 | Jones: 9.3

Barkley does a great job of taking the snap under center and making his reads while dropping in the pocket. You would be hard-pressed to find another college quarterback being asked to make the reads that USC puts on Barkley’s shoulders. The downside to that is Barkley throws a good number of interceptions. He’s been asked to read the field, but his decision-making is not always great.

The Oklahoma offense gets the ball out of Jones’ hand very fast, which doesn’t allow for much time to see the field or breakdown the defense. The read is quick, most likely a check to see where the cornerback is on his No. 1 read and then a check down to the back flaring out. Jones benefits from a spread offense built on the checkdown. At the snap, Jones takes one look downfield and will then look to a back or wide receiver hitting a zone route. This is great for Jones’ accuracy numbers and comparable to an NFL system that utilizes spread sets and checkdowns to the running backs. This makes Jones a great fit for the Colts, Chiefs or Seahawks.


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Injury

Barkley: 9.7 | Jones: 10

There were no injuries found in a background check on Jones. Barkley has been banged up a few times in his career, notably an ankle sprain in 2010 that caused him to miss one game. This is definitely not an injury that would limit him in the future, though high ankle sprains can be consistent problems. Barkley also suffered a bruised shoulder in 2009.



Play-action


Barkley: 9.5 | Jones: 9.8

Barkley’s play-action skills are on par with NFL quarterbacks three to four years in to a system. He does an excellent job extending the ball away from his body to sell the fake, and is able to quickly adjust and locate receivers after the mesh. A favorite play for USC is to play-action off a stretch run fake to either the right or left, which allows Barkley to move slightly outside the pocket and fire away.

Oklahoma likes to run play-action and boot Jones to his left or right—something he does very well. The play-action fakes shown by Jones are NFL quality.

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Pocket Presence


Barkley: 8.5 | Jones: 9.6

Both players see a lot of shotgun sets, but in the four games I viewed for this article, I rarely saw Landry Jones under center—the only charted plays I have under center were on 3rd-and-1 or inside the red zone. Barkley ran a ton of under-center sets last season against Cal and Oregon. USC runs a pro-style offense, thanks to Lane Kiffin’s influence.

A red flag that jumps off the film at you is the amount of sacks Barkley takes. In 2010 he played behind a top 10 right tackle and a projected top 10 left tackle, but was still getting beaten up in the backfield.



Poise


Barkley: 9.3 | Jones: 9.7

Poise is one of those almost unscoutable qualities, like heart or work ethic. It’s even harder to grade when scouting two players who have rarely trailed in a college game.

Jones showed excellent poise and leadership in the Sooners' win over Florida State during the 2011 season. Facing a deficit, and a tough defense, Jones rose to the occasion and led his team. That’s what NFL scouts are looking for. Matt Ryan’s comeback win against Miami (FL) in 2007 generated the type of buzz among scouts that helped put Ryan on the map. The FSU game was equally as important for Jones.

Barkley, on the other hand, hasn’t seen a tough game in a hostile environment with NFL talent breathing down his neck since his freshman season at Ohio State. While that was a big game, it’s buried deep in the minds of scouts.
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Running Ability


Barkley: 8.0 | Jones: 7.5

Barkley is an excellent athlete who is used in many ways by the USC offense. He’s not a Michael Vick-style athlete, but good enough that any team considering him for the next level will be comfortable with his ability to move around in and out of the pocket.

Jones does a nice job booting off play-action, something the Sooners did a lot of in 2010. Jones has the speed to pick up a first down outside the pocket. He’s not a shifty runner, just a long strider with good quickness. Might be worth adding an NFL comparison here.



Size


Barkley: 8.0 | Jones: 9.9

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Much will be said about Barkley’s lack of height, and it is a concern. In the clip you will see Barkley read the defense pre-snap, take his drop and again read the defense. You can see here that he’s struggling to see over the linemen, and in trying to look downfield he doesn’t see the backside pressure coming from his right (throwing) side. Barkley has to be used in a moving pocket that will create natural passing lanes for him to see through.

Jones looks like a movie-star quarterback. He’s tall with broad shoulders and big hands. There’s nothing to question here.



Touch


Barkley: 9.5 | Jones: 9.8

One of the most underrated traits a successful quarterback must have is touch. NFL quarterbacks must be able to throw a pass that is catchable. It doesn’t matter how hard you can throw a ball if the receiver can’t catch it.

Both Jones and Barkley have excellent touch when throwing short to intermediate routes. The ball is placed in an area where the receiver can easily grab it and continue running. As both are set up in offenses that rely on short passes and yards after catch, they have been taught well to deliver the ball with the correct amount of velocity.

I favor Jones here, as he shows better touch when throwing deep. That ability to drop the ball over the receiver’s shoulder while hugging the sideline is a thing of beauty.



Overall

Barkley: 8.2 | Jones: 9.0

A popular draft comparison to these two players is the quarterback-heavy class of 2011. If Jones and Barkley were in the 2011 class, I would have ranked them at No. 1 (Jones) and No. 5 (Barkley)—with Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton between them.

The film never lies, and the players I saw when breaking down the film for this article were not on the level of what a top 10 pick should be. It’s absolutely possible that an NFL team will fall in love with one of these players and draft them higher, or that the need for quarterbacks will prevail over value. My recommendation would be that Landry Jones is drafted in the 10-15 range, while Matt Barkley is selected in the 25-32 area.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...s-matt-barkley

uh-huh. Yeah, buoy!

Saccopoo 11-18-2012 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest31kc (Post 9128167)
This whole post is just full of fail. As is this thread.

There's too many moronic Chiefs fans out there.

Well, the entire basis for this thread is based on a Bleacher Report article.

F-

RealSNR 11-18-2012 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9128170)
Landry Jones does a great job throwing the ball to where it’s catchable for his receivers. The best attribute I’ve seen from Jones in the two years and change watching him has been his accuracy. It’s top notch to all levels of the field. I was particularly impressed with Jones’ accuracy when throwing the deep fade. He puts the ball up against the sideline without throwing out of bounds. This, more than any other throw, shows off his ability to put the ball where he wants on a consistent basis

You trollin' dawg

Chief_For_Life58 11-18-2012 01:42 PM

ura a ****ing reerun if you think jones is better than smith. stronger arm? smith. better pocket presence? smith. can escape pressure? smith. where the nfl is going with an athletic qb? smith. landry is another nfl backup

Great Expectations 11-18-2012 03:58 PM

Smith didn't look that great last night. Tavon was the best player I've watched this year.

Murray looks like the best QB to me, both Jones and Smith have huge issues when facing any pressure. Barkley might be the one, but he throws too many picks and has NFL WR's to throw to.

RealSNR 11-18-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 9130262)
Smith didn't look that great last night. Tavon was the best player I've watched this year.

Murray looks like the best QB to me, both Jones and Smith have huge issues when facing any pressure. Barkley might be the one, but he throws too many picks and has NFL WR's to throw to.

Dumbass.

Priest31kc 11-18-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 9130262)
Smith didn't look that great last night. Tavon was the best player I've watched this year.

Murray looks like the best QB to me, both Jones and Smith have huge issues when facing any pressure. Barkley might be the one, but he throws too many picks and has NFL WR's to throw to.

:shake:

Great Expectations 11-18-2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9130279)
Dumbass.

Do you have anything of value to offer? Your schtick isn't funny and I haven't seen a football opinion out of you.

RealSNR 11-18-2012 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 9130376)
Do you have anything of value to offer? Your schtick isn't funny and I haven't seen a football opinion out of you.

You must not read very many of my posts

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2012 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9128027)
After watching the game last night, I have to agree. Geno's arm strength is no better than Cassel's. And for a black guy, he's slow. I just don't see what the fuss about him is. Landry on the other hand has a strong, accurate arm. His only knock is his mobility. But if Big Ben can make it without scramble ability, so can he.

http://www.jaxxshirts.com/blog/wp-co...1/confused.jpg



So much FAIL.

ArrowheadMagic 11-18-2012 05:25 PM

Bell-dozer cometh. 3 games left in Cassel lites career.

RealSNR 11-18-2012 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 9130688)
Bell-dozer cometh. 3 games left in Cassel lites career.

Belldozer.

You guys gotta ****ing stop that. It's gay and dumb.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9130695)
Belldozer.

You guys gotta ****ing stop that. It's gay and dumb.

Is he seriously comparing Geno to Casshole?

RealSNR 11-18-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9130703)
Is he seriously comparing Geno to Casshole?

He's talking about Landry.

But his fanbase has done a bad thing with that Belldozer nickname. That's worse than the Holocaust.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9130708)
He's talking about Landry.

But his fanbase has done a bad thing with that Belldozer nickname. That's worse than the Holocaust.

LMAO I see. You see, THAT'S just how much I know or care to know about Douche Stoops and his ****ing lame-assed Sooners.

ArrowheadMagic 11-18-2012 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9130708)
He's talking about Landry.

But his fanbase has done a bad thing with that Belldozer nickname. That's worse than the Holocaust.

Better passer than Jones, with same skill set. Can make every throw. How he handles running a full offense is the unknown. Has a much better OLine returning next year.

ArrowheadMagic 11-18-2012 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9130723)
LMAO I see. You see, THAT'S just how much I know or care to know about Douche Stoops and his ****ing lame-assed Sooners.

Your opinion on football is valued the same as ALL CAPS DEB'S

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2012 05:39 PM

Did Stoops D-Coord go to the same "Gettin' Douchey On The Sidelines"-course for college coaches?

Enquiring minds want to know!

ArrowheadMagic 11-18-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9130762)
Did Stoops D-Coord go to the same "Gettin' Douchey On The Sidelines"-course for college coaches?

Enquiring minds want to know!

Under performing in a game or 2 is his MO. He gets out coached, but he finishes on the recruiting trail. Few colleges wouldnt want his record.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 9130795)
Under performing in a game or 2 is his MO. He gets out coached, but he finishes on the recruiting trail. Few colleges wouldnt want his record.

Congratulations; you've found your Schottenhimer. May his career be long.

ArrowheadMagic 11-18-2012 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9130818)
Congratulations; you've found your Schottenhimer. May his career be long.


With Championship. It Oklahoma...... We will win, we will win championships, its what we do. See history.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2012 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 9130927)
With Championship. It Oklahoma...... We will win, we will win championships, its what we do. See history.

You've hired Bozworth to "bring the sexy back"?

RealSNR 11-18-2012 06:22 PM

Tards like Mahi are going to be forced to like Geno very quickly. It's fine.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9130942)
Tards like Mahi are going to be forced to like Geno very quickly. It's fine.

He'll be sporting a "12" after the 1st quarter.

ArrowheadMagic 11-18-2012 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9130936)
You've hired Bozworth to "bring the sexy back"?

Dont know. dont care.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 9130927)
With Championship. It Oklahoma...... We will win, we will win championships, its what we do. See history.

You've won something since '85?

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-26-2012 07:58 AM

And 500 yards passing again for Jones compared to 236 for Smith.

I think it's pretty clear now.

Saulbadguy 11-26-2012 08:08 AM

Landry Jones is ****ing awful.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-26-2012 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 9153204)
Landry Jones is ****ing awful.


Why do you say that ?

loochy 11-26-2012 08:24 AM

DRAFT JOHNNY FOOTBALL RITE NAO

58-4ever 11-26-2012 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9130966)
You've won something since '85?

2000 National Champions.

Saulbadguy 11-26-2012 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9153216)
Why do you say that ?

Blitz him and he folds like a cheap tent, each and every time. He can't complete a pass under pressure.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-26-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9153219)
DRAFT JOHNNY FOOTBALL RITE NAO

Cassel can hold the fort for a year or 3!!!! No sure things till then!!!

BWillie 11-26-2012 06:26 PM

If the Chiefs draft Landry Jones I just might end my affiliation to this team. I mean you couldn't get any dumber than to draft that guy in the Top 10.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-28-2012 09:20 AM

Just say "N OU" to Landry ****ing Jones.

Chief Faithful 11-28-2012 11:09 AM

Landry Jones reminds me of Drew Bledsoe, all world arm with feet in cement. The Chiefs need two QB's from this draft maybe they could get Geno in the first then Jones would make a good #2, but so would Barkley and Murray.

okcchief 11-28-2012 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 9130752)
Better passer than Jones, with same skill set. Can make every throw. How he handles running a full offense is the unknown. Has a much better OLine returning next year.

You are ****ing out of your mind. Bell can't throw the ball for shit. If he could he would be starting. Kendall Thompson probably has as good a chance of starting. ****ing OU fans and their spins.

Sorter 11-28-2012 02:57 PM

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okcchief 11-28-2012 03:05 PM

I don't want Jones, but I bet he's more successful than any other OU QB to date. Not that it's saying shit lol


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