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Molitoth 12-27-2012 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9244327)
His drafts weren't bad?

4 years and not a single impact player. Houston might prove to be one, but even then - one impact player in 4 drafts?

That's a huge reason why this team has gone full circle back to the 2-14 hell Pioli inherited.

If you replace Matt Cassel with Tom Brady... that instantly makes your offense legit, which then gives your defense plenty of time to rest. Winning and losing is contagious. If Tom Brady was leading this offense to wins, I guarendamntee you that the draft picks that Pioli brought here would be playing remarkably better. (I'm not justifying Pioli as good)

Thats why the NFL is a team game. When the person next to you is doing their job, it's a lot easier to do yours.

Unfortantly the QB is the most important position on a team. He is the leader next to the Head Coach, and if he sucks absolute ass, then you gotta figure nobody cares.

whoman69 12-27-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9244345)
If Pioli is retained, hires a new coach, and drafts Geno Smith, he will get sucked off by 95% of the fans.

Talk is tough now, but that shit will go out of the window in an instant.

Pioli is dead to me now. He has become the dictator of this organization, so every mistake is his. I guess that's what happens when the owner's only job is to cash checks.

Easy 6 12-27-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9244345)
If Pioli is retained, hires a new coach, and drafts Geno Smith, he will get sucked off by 95% of the fans.

Talk is tough now, but that shit will go out of the window in an instant.

The rubbermaid tubs are stacked up outside his office, its coytins for da Don.

Mr. Laz 12-27-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9244257)
IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

agreed ... other than the reerun Haley fluffing shit.

Hootie 12-27-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9244354)
If you replace Matt Cassel with Tom Brady... that instantly makes your offense legit, which then gives your defense plenty of time to rest. Winning and losing is contagious. If Tom Brady was leading this offense to wins, I guarendamntee you that the draft picks that Pioli brought here would be playing remarkably better. (I'm not justifying Pioli as good)

Thats why the NFL is a team game. When the person next to you is doing their job, it's a lot easier to do yours.

Unfortantly the QB is the most important position on a team. He is the leader next to the Head Coach, and if he sucks absolute ass, then you gotta figure nobody cares.

I don't disagree one bit.

I said for years regarding Manning and the Colts that not only was the offense built around Peyton, but so was the defense.

That defense thrived when the Colts had the lead, but if they were down...? They were awful. It was built with Peyton in mind.

Peyton would probably make us think Baldwin, Moeaki and McCluster were great picks as well. Or at least solid picks.

It's hard for me to judge a lot of our young offensive players because of the QB'ing we've had...not that I'd lose any sleep over Baldwin or McCluster getting the boot this offseason.

notorious 12-27-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 9244361)
Pioli is dead to me now. He has become the dictator of this organization, so every mistake is his. I guess that's what happens when the owner's only job is to cash checks.

Sadly, only a few people will actually feel the same way if my scenario happens.

Ace Gunner 12-27-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9244353)
I agree with you 100% about the Colts, however, I still think Arians has done a great job considering the circumstances.

Frazier has also done a good job, too.

A lot of folks like to credit Arians, who is a good OC for sure. But Chuck Pagano orchestrated the Colts' emergence. Pagano drew up the plan for them and was the HC during OTA all the way through pre season.

Arians did a good job executing Pagano's marching orders during the season, but it wasn't his plan.

htismaqe 12-27-2012 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9244368)
agreed ... other than the reerun Haley fluffing shit.

Without Cassel, we might never have seen the outbursts we saw from Haley. You can't separate the two.

Cassel is the original sin.

crossbow 12-27-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9244257)
IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

Yep Yep, Pride comes before a fall and his ego killed him. In 2009 he wouldn't listen to Herm's scouts and so his draft was a disaster. He insisted on jamming Cassell down the evryone's throat - ego again over logic. We have all seen this in our private lives. A high level manager lacks the objectivity to make good decisions because their ego gets in the way.

Also, I realy doubt the rest of the NFL is eagerly salivating at the prospect of hiring Scot Pioli after his departure from KC. He destroyed one of the best franchises in the NFL.

htismaqe 12-27-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9244247)
That's because it's not a sure thing. :shake:

Don Banks just hasn't talked to anybody IN Kansas City. He even says so...

READ the article.

SAUTO 12-27-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9244373)
A lot of folks like to credit Arians, who is a good OC for sure. But Chuck Pagano orchestrated the Colts' emergence. Pagano drew up the plan for them and was the HC during OTA all the way through pre season.

Arians did a good job executing Pagano's marching orders during the season, but it wasn't his plan.

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DeezNutz 12-27-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 9244260)
So without the fan unrest, Clark would be ok with what he's seeing on the field? I understand that the 2 go hand in hand to a large extent, but I hope Clark's focus moving forward is winning a championship and not just getting the fans back in Arrowhead.

As we've been discussing in another thread, national writers are often lazy. A quick Wikipedia search shows that Pioli has won multiple "Executive of the Year" awards, and thus he must be good at his job. Seems like a sensible conclusion.

However, anyone who has paid a modicum of attention to what the man has accomplished away from the testicles of Hoodie and Brady would know what a fraud he is.

Additionally, we're fighting the national perception of fly-over country. We're too nice to boo a piece of shit NYer, and we're definitely too nice (and naive) to fire a genious like Pioli.

Well, **** 'em all. Pack your shit, Scott, and I hope that TSA boos your ass when the agent alerts group 5 that it's time to board.

Mr. Laz 12-27-2012 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9244375)
Without Cassel, we might never have seen the outbursts we saw from Haley. You can't separate the two.

Cassel is the original sin.

how quickly forget all the reerun shit he did

he didn't move McCluster to running back because of Cassel
he didn't slam McCluster up the middle like a dam power back because of Cassel
he didn't decide whether to go for it on 4th down before our 3rd down play because of cassel
he didn't throw his challenge flag on reeruned play that gained us jack shit because of cassel
he didn't refuse to have an OC because of Cassel


Cassel was a major fail but Haley was an immature asshat


Haley better get a new job in arizona or something because he might not have a job next year in pittsburgh. imo.


people are fluffing Haley because it another way to lash out at Pioli

notorious 12-27-2012 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9244375)
Without Cassel, we might never have seen the outbursts we saw from Haley. You can't separate the two.

Cassel is the original sin.

Bingo

notorious 12-27-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crossbow (Post 9244379)
. He destroyed one of the best franchises in the NFL.

ROFL


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