Mike and Mike Talking about Geno going #1 overall
 

It was just a matter of time. Obviously the Chiefs don't need him :rolleyes: but they are helping create a market for a trade.

Apparently Jaws loves the kid.

Jaws said he'd have no problem with trading into the 1st for Geno.

Said he put 40 yard passes right on the money. And that he made a couple throws that made folks gasp.

The velocity of his throws in that pro day video were apparent.

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We need this prick!

DIS IS BULLSHEET.

Take him anyways.....just to **** with Kiper.

Makes you wonder if Reid/Dorsey had ever heard of him before they even came to KC? They appeared to have Blinders for A. Smith ever since they set foot in KC.

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Thursday, March 14, 2013
Smith headed for the top 10 overall?

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West Virginia held its pro day Thursday, and despite all the positive buzz surrounding Mountaineers WR Tavon Austin (more on that later), it was QB Geno Smith who was the main attraction.


Smith came into the scripted, 62-pass session put together by former NFL QB Chris Weinke looking to back up a solid showing at the NFL combine, and he did just that.

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What stood out most to me was the velocity and accuracy Smith showed on intermediate throws, which is something you see consistently on tape. He looked perfect on seam routes, throwing with low trajectory and good zip, and putting the ball right on the money.


I also saw more consistent velocity and accuracy on deep outs and vertical throws toward the boundary, but just like on film, Smith was not quite as sharp in that area as elsewhere and missed within the strike zone at times. He said when I spoke with him after the workout that there were some deeper throws he would have liked to put closer to the sideline, throws that caused his receivers to have to gear down or come back to the inside a bit.
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However, Smith does appear to have worked on his posture in the pocket, being more erect with his upper body while still maintaining balance and bend in his knees. That led to a little more consistency and zip on those deeper throws than we see on tape. It's just a small tweak, but in this kind of controlled environment it paid off.


Smith also showed the quick feet and compact delivery I expected to see, showcasing his smooth throwing motion. He gets the ball out in a hurry, is very accurate when throwing over the middle of the field and looked good on shorter throws, as well. He also displayed the ability to throw when moved off-platform and with different arm angles.


There is some work to be done in terms of being more mechanically sound and relaxed with his feet in the pocket, but Smith has the frame (6-foot-2⅜, 217 pounds), size potential, mobility, arm, short-to-intermediate accuracy and drive/work ethic to be a good NFL starter.


Smith has now aced the first two tests of the predraft process, and now his ultimate draft position will be determined by how he performs in private workouts and interview sessions with NFL teams that bring him into their facilities.


The first goal of those sessions is to get him out of his scripted comfort zone when working out, to see how Smith handles throws specific to a team's offense and being asked to react when things are mixed up.

The second is to watch film with him, to have an installation session that requires him to ingest and regurgitate a portion of the playbook, then get him on the whiteboard to see how well he retains and processes the information. Basically, to test his football IQ.


What he shows in those areas will go a long way toward determining his ultimate draft fate. I have a late-first-round grade on Smith, but based on conversations with people around the league it seems more and more likely that he won't make it out of the top 10 overall picks.


Arizona (No. 7) and Buffalo (No. 8) both have a primary need at quarterback. Bills GM Buddy Nix was in attendance Thursday, and Smith already has a workout scheduled with the team on March 22.

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And don't read too much into the fact the Cardinals were not represented Thursday in Morgantown. They might be feigning disinterest, they might be legitimately disinterested, or they might believe (as many teams and scouts, including yours truly, do) that pro days are so scripted and controlled that they're better off waiting for their own private workout.


Plenty of other teams in the top 10 have a secondary need at quarterback, including the Eagles (No. 4), who brought head coach Chip Kelly, owner Jeffrey Lurie and GM Howie Roseman put Smith through a workout on Monday. On Wednesday, Smith met with two undisclosed teams. Throw in Jacksonville (No. 2), Oakland (No. 3) and the Jets (No. 9), and there could be plenty of competition for Smith's services.


Now that he's showcased his physical skills twice and seemingly met the on-field standard for teams, it takes only one to fall in love with his intangibles and handling of the process for Smith to come off the board early in the first.

If we keep picking up FA's, we can afford a luxury pick at 1.1. In that case, it HAS to be Geno. Chase Daniel in the building is a JIMP for Mizzou fans, but I say we get three guys in here to compete and let the chips fall where they may.

That, and it is morally wrong to take a OT #1. Just sick and wrong...

Sure would be nice, but this regime won't want to pressure their beloved Alex Smith like that.
By giving up that kind of compensation, Alex Smith is the face of this franchise for the next 2-3 years at least. This will be Polio/Cassel all over again, lets hope the results are WAY better, and not 8-8 better.

There wouldn't be any pressure because Reid would name Alex his starter for 2013. Geno would get a year to sit.

Good. Trade with a desperate team and get a boat load of picks. Win.

If we can't trade the pick, draft him and then rape the **** out of another team desperate for a QB.

The Chiefs are desperate for a QB, may as well just keep him. =P

Or draft him in the hopes he rapes the team you play each week....

For the record, SNR, Pestilence, myself and others said this is exactly what would happen.

As soon as the Chiefs were no longer considered serious suitors for a QB, he'd rocket up the boards.

He'll go 1.1 unless Reid and Dorsey go full reerun and decide they must have Luke Joeckel.

Yes... it is VAST media conspiracy to keep the Chiefs from ever having a franchise QB.

I don't think that's what he was implying at all. Guess again.


Everyone in America KNOWS that the Chiefs go after Retread QB's and do not draft their own.... therefore there wasn't much a of a story to write about Geno going #1 overall to the Chiefs. Now that the Chiefs have their QB's set, there is possibility of Geno working his way up to #1 (via trade?) for a team with greater national presence than the KC Chiefs. This makes a better story, and makes more sense... so you are going to see it in Mocks and media publicity.

This has a 1% chance of happening......but it still makes sense.

1. You have your Veteran QB that will be the starter in 2013.
2. You have a capable backup who has a clause in his contract that states that if he throws for more than 12 TDs or 2000 yards...his contract will void.
3. You draft your QBoTF and he gets to sit a year to get knowledge from the starter, OC, QB coach and HC.

At the end of 2013.....you can realistically cut or trade Alex Smith if Geno is ready. You'd have Chase as his backup. Or if Alex got injured and Chase had to play....it would pretty much void his contract after thisyear. You would ggointo 2014 with Geno Smith and either one of the other two.

The 'pimping of Geno' has finally begun as expected and it will only get bigger these next 6 weeks which only favors the Chiefs. The Chiefs either select him to develop into our QBOTF or select him and trade or trade out with some team that doesn't trust the Jags NOT to take him. Hell, maybe the Jags don't trust those teams behind them NOT to swap out with the Chiefs and will swap with the Chiefs and the Chiefs recoup their 2nd IF they don't want Geno:shrug:

This is good:clap:

If the Chiefs draft him and let him sit for a year or so, id be completely cool with that.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just pointing out the fact that the majority of the media are clueless idiots that piggyback each other's bad opinions.

It's the NFL and Alex is a big boy now. COMPETE or GTFO !!:rolleyes:

And the Chiefs are a flyover team that isn't a glamour pick at all.

The media just doesn't give a flying shit about the Chiefs so they weren't viewing this QB class objectively. Granted, if it were Luck sitting there, they'd have still crowed about him but if there was anyone that wasn't a generational guy, he was going to be undersold as 'not worth the pick' because what fun is having a team like the Chiefs take the 'big' pick of the draft?

It wasn't a media conspiracy, it was standard, predictable laziness on the part of ESPN and their talking heads.

Jets, Raiders among teams showing interest in Geno Smith
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 15, 2013, 7:05 AM EDT
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Geno Smith threw well at West Virginia’s Pro Day, and talk is increasing that he’s going to be not just the first quarterback taken but one of the first players off the board at any position. And we can add the Jets and the Raiders to the list of the teams believed to be interested.

The Newark Star-Ledger says the Jets have interest in Smith, while the Contra Costa Times suggests the Raiders are interested in drafting Smith.

Previous reports have suggested that the Jaguars are interested, and the Eagles sent a contingent to West Virginia to get a private workout with Smith.

The Jaguars have the second overall pick, the Raiders have the third, the Eagles have the fourth and the Jets have the ninth. From all indications, Smith won’t be getting out of the Top 10.

And if there’s some other team out there that really loves Smith, that team may need to start thinking about placing a call to the Chiefs.

If Alex is such a bitch that he can't handle this team drafting for the future.....then he can go some place else.

My thoughts exactly:clap:

Wait till Barkley throws, then we will have a two man race.
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Also a possibility that Barkley has been their guy the entire time.

Think that would actually hurt our value.

You'd get better value if teams all round believe there is just 1 guy to go get.

No

He did. He lost.

ROFL

If we don't take Geno at 1, we won't have a chance to draft a better qb for at least 4 or 5 years.

Quarterbacks sell tv stock OL don't going to the first pick of the draft. Why is that? Well it's because the quarterback just happens to be the most important player on the team but lets not get one if your the Chiefs.

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It's cool, we can just keep drafting Offense and Defensive Tackles until the next Andrew Luck comes out in the draft.

Think of the Lines we could have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Draft Geno! But if we trade out of the Geno Smith Sweepstakes the consolation prize won't be to bad. We'll have two 1st rounders in next years draft plus our 2nd back this year and next.

With the first pick of the 2013 draft, the KC Chiefs make a trade with the _____.
In return, the _______ gives the KC Chiefs this years 1st and 2nd round picks along with next years 1st and 3rd round picks.

Would you take this trade ?

BINGO !!:thumb:

Obviously it depends on the team and what their draft spot is.

Since we already committed to Alex Smith; we would be stupid not to.
I'd rather just keep Geno Smith though.

F'N AYYYYYYY !

I'm glad we are all on the same page finally /Clark

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Nice thought tho

I wouldn't take less than 2013 #1, 2013 #2, and 2014 #1 with the possibility of us throwing back a 2013 6th or 7th.

What have we committed to Smith? A 2nd round pick? Who gives a ****.

Where area all the media buffoons who said no QB would go in the first round or top ten? Can we gather all of those mocks and stories into one giant section to shame those idiots? Anyone?

The flaw is that those lineman will be on the downside or playing for other teams and therefore we will have to continue the OL DL for the next next best QB of the decade to become available...

Ok Frankie...

I would be cool with Barkley

This. Trading with the Eagles under this scenario is completely different than trading with the 49ers....

I think there's a lot of gamesmanship and that the Chiefs really don't want to keep their #1 pick.

I like Geno, but in terms of an Andy Reid guy, I could see why he favors Barkley. Barkley is tailor made for a West Coast Offense.

You also can't help but wonder... if the Eagles are eyeing Geno, is Reid maybe trying to also make a move for Foles in exchange for a swap and maybe an extra Eagles pick (say... the second rounder they traded away for Alex Smith).

But then... if they were trying to play games with the 1.1, then why wouldn't they show up to the Pro Day to at least fool other teams into thinking they're interested?

We've committed to him being the starter at the beginning of the season. He won't be by the end however.

Andy Reid said there is competition at all spots of the team and oh yeah Alex Smith is the starting quarterback.

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Isn't that how superbowl teams are built?

The Redskins put 3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.....and then went out and invested a 4th round pick into his ****ing backup. And that was even though Grossman coukd have been a capable backup QB.

We'd be investing a 1st and a 2nd into one of the WORST QB situations in the league.

Pestilence, don't get me wrong. I love the idea. I'm on board.

But I think you're setting yourself up for one bigtime letdown when this plan doesn't happen.

I mean surely you'd agree that the odds of this actually happening are miniscule at best right?

I think that it has more to do with the fact we are getting closer to the draft and ESPN was covering Geno's pro day live yesterday...

The constant fatalism on this board is ****ing stupid.

I would take that...I would also take this years 1st and 2nd and next years
2nd.

We will have some great trade deals dropped in our lap.

/K.O.

Not in Kansas City

No. Minimum of 2-1st's and a 2nd.

Seems like there's alot of interest so hopefully this will end up in a bidding war. And if Geno goes #1 the #2 QB won't be far behind so maybe we can trade down twice. Then we'll be in the right spot to draft Tavon Austin and a developemental QB. Manuel or Bray. Bray tutoring behind Alex Smith for a couple years:hmmm:

Ive already stated that there is a 1% chance of this happening.

I veto this plan.

Sorry, I was being very sarcastic.

but you don't understand / 8yo

I know you're against EJ. I'm not really hot on the guy either but I could see Reid thinking he could develope him. Of course we'll have the picks next year so we'll have a shot a QB then too.

Just backing you up :)

To me, drafting EJ - especially when we don't have a #2 - is a complete waste. Unless we acquire more picks we need to get contributors out of rds 3-6.

However, there's another way to look at it.

If the Bills come calling with a 1 and 2 this year, plus a 1 and 3 next year, look at what you've invested into the position now.

The 2 firsts, 2 2nds and a 3rd.

Now that's not exorbitant...but it's sure as hell a lot.

I'm not arguing that they should take Joekel over Smith, as you well know. I do think, however, that if a bidding war emerges, you have to think really really hard about the opportunity cost and what your true investment in Geno becomes at that point.

I agree. I don't care which of those scenarios play out, they're all good. If the Chiefs believe in Geno, they'll take him. If they don't, it's great that other teams do.

I would love to see the Jax swap scenario come to fruition!

Yeah there's always next year. Idiots.

Well if they don't really like Geno I could take this haul. Anything else I wouldn't be excited.

If the Bills offer that up KC would be foolish not to jump on that offer with both feet.

I veto this plan.

Honestly, they should just go full Patriot to try to pull off what the 49ers are doing this year.

Trade down to 8. If you don't like the landscape, trade down to 16. If you still don't like it, trade out for all I care.

If you're not taking Geno Smith and you don't believe in someone like Richardson, let the draft come to you.

Unlike Pioli, who seemed to decide what positions he was going to take before the draft started, Reid/Dorsey have given the team the flexibility to look at the draft and just take it as it comes.

They could come out of the draft with Margus Hunt, Tyler Bray, the 3rd day picks and a shitload of 2014 pick and have as much potential talent on the roster as they would have had they gone with Geno or Floyd.

There are serious homerun swings they can take with this draft.

And part of that is because of the much derided Alex Smith trade. I give a ton of credit to Reid and Dorsey; they did a spectacular job of creating flexibility for the draft.

I'd be fine with that. Like I said in the past.....they're going to have to weigh the value of Geno vs. the value of the trade that they're offered. If the Bills offered that.....then trade down....I'm fine with it.