Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
 

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

Water is wet.

3rd and short is a huge issue.

If I remember correctly we converted on 3rd and long 3 times and failed to convert 3 times on 3rd and 2 or less last week.

NO THATS JUST ALEX SMITH BEING EFFICIENT

IF THE DEFENDING IS GOOD THEN THE OFFENSE IS SUPPOSED TO SUCK

ANDY REID VANILLA OFFENSE DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY SUPER TOP SECRET PLAYS

/Smith Homer dumbasses

Give the ****ing ball to Jamaal.

nice ROFL

We do, the line can't run block until late in the game though.

I think you have to remove the 2nd half offense numbers in JAX when we clearly took our foot off the throttle.

0 for 3 on 3rd and 1.

I guess it goes to show that even if your offense sucks, if you don't turn the ball over you have a chance. Two things can fix the offense quickly. Convert on 3rd down and occasionally take a shot downfield to open the field.

3-0!

22-5-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Being concerned about the offensive performance and skeptical this blueprint is good enough to stand up to other playoff teams is just being alarmist!

Can't we just be happy about 3-0

Are you new here?

I thought we'd be competitive this year with Alex because he doesn't turn it over.

I think the groaning is from those with unrealistic expectations from our QB. He is what he is.

"Oh, good. They finally threw to Bowe. Oh, he dropped it."

gee, I dint know that /anti smiff-ers

If you take away defensive scoring for the Chiefs you would have to do that across the board for all teams to have a legit comparison. Without checking the numbers I would say they would rank better than 23rd. But, I am totally in agreement about shitty offensive line play.

Anyone who has watched the games should know that the Chiefs are lucky to be 3-0. Last week the Eagles turned the ball over 4 times in the first half, yet we only had a 10 point lead. I was sure we were going to lose that game up until the 5:00 minute mark of the 4th quarter.

Having said all of that, I'm still pretty damn happy with the job Andy Reid has done with this team. I think the offense will get better, and I like wondering how the hell this team is 3-0 a hell of a lot better than the shit we've been fed for nearly a decade.

I wouldn't say the whole line has been $#itty.

I really like Albert's play. Big John and Hudson have been good with bad moments.

I'm not sold on our other 2...

Chiefs Tight Ends are all injured too. Think that could have an impact on the running game?

Yup very mediocre. I do think its possible Andy Reid will succeed in getting him into the hall of mediocre. Alex is THAT good at it.

LMAO

Nailed it.

Will Shields was on 610 yesterday ripping the OL and specifically called Albert out.

He concluded they need to work as a unit in this offensive scheme.

The only problem I see with the running game is we don't use it enough.

Two good reasons to run more:

A) We have a ****ing fantastic HB.

B) Smith is an excellent play action passer. He's good selling the fake and he's not afraid to attempt deep passes on first down (out of play action.)

Very true. KC has been very fortunate in their field position, thanks to the K/P returns and defensive turnovers.

( 1st in the league!!!! http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats )

Now, I ask ya.. is the offense to be punished by you because they haven't had to do more? haven't had to travel 80 yards down the field every drive?

No one is deluding themselves into thinking this offense is remarkable and running on all cylinders. They are just being realistic in accepting that the new system will take time to get into top gear... particularly the OL.. which IS ranked 7th worst so far in pass pro. The run blocking is ranked 5th best... but I think we all see issues there, and then factor in the QB's run yards to help that number.

Need to draft moar OL. Cuz drafting a QB is risky. Sometimes they take like a year or something to get good. OL dominate from the very beginning.

He'd know better than me.

2/5ths of this line is new. The offense is new to all of them.

I expect the line as a whole to play better as the season goes on...

Oh what does he know about OL play?

Completely disagree. After we go 10-7 and get face raped in our 1st playoff game we need to trade up and get a solid 3-technique to replace Tyson Jackson (who we'll cut to sign a new FB and TE in free agency...)

There's just no way this team escapes a 3 or 4 game losing streak at some point. It's unfortunate, but the offense is that bad.

He didn't have to grease his jersey or block at the knees to make the HOF...

I love you guys. LMAO

(no homo)

(nttawwt)

If you take away all defensive scores, the Chiefs would be tied with the Bills for 19th in the league in points per game.

The Chiefs have scored more defensive touchdowns than everyone except for the Bears (who would still score more PPG even subtracting 21 from their total than the Chiefs are scoring WITH their defensive TDs), the Cowboys (also 2, also would still rank higher than KC by quite a lot), and the Redskins (also 2).

I doubt that.

I think we'll start 4-0 and then finish 6-6.

10-6, road playoff game, lose by about 13 pts.

Better than I expected and good enough to sell the team on the Dorsey/Phat Andy rebuild...

We have Denver right where we want them.

I also believe that we need to run more;however, I think that AR is the type of HC that changes his approach to each game during the game depending on the circumstances.

If we have a lead he is going to try to burn the clock and protect the lead with the defense. Assuming the defense is having a good day. Likewise, if we find ourselves playing from behind then he is going to open up the offense a little more. I don't think we are going to put the peddle down and blow anyone out this season. AR is more reserved as a HC. He doesn't get caught up in the highs or lows during the games.

With this being said, the times the offense has been needed to convert on 3rd and short they have not been effective. The OL clearly has to improve and if they are able to, then I would expect us to completely dominate the TOP thus improving our chances even more to be successful.

I agree. AS needs his TEs. I think (hope) the offense is going to improve once they are able to get out on the field.

...and there are some cynical, jaded mother****ers on here. Rightfully so, in some cases. I just hope that some of you don't live your lives with the same pessimistic disposition that you practice in your Chiefs fandom...that is a shitty way to live your life.

for real. :thumb:

"Be a whole lot cooler if you did"/McConahey

Some people can't. "We are 3-0, but but, we are not winning the right way!" Don't get me wrong, there is room for improvement, but we are finding a way to win, which is a lot different from last year.

"Say when"/Doc

I tailgate before church because my fandom is just like real life.

C'mon guys, this new offensive system takes time to learn.

(conveniently ignoring how teams like Chicago, San Diego and Philly are scoring 26+ PPG with new coaches/systems)

I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty.

....and no new OL players? oh, that's right -- players aren't the deciding factor, coaches/schemes are...

I don't.

The problem with playing scared (playoff Martyball) is you allow inferior teams to stay in the game. Even bad teams can luck into 10 pts. Being 10 pts down with more than 8 minutes to in the 4th allows a team to stay balanced on offense.

20 down with 8 to go and you have no option but to become one dimensional and predictable (helping the defense to preserve the lead.)

i'd like to apologize to our sensitive fans for posting an article about football on a football message board...

i clearly have mental issues, and will now go commit myself to inpatient therapy along with Aldon Smith...

it is harmful to discuss football with football fans, I will also attempt to contact the author of this article and explain to him that his life is miserable and that he should kill himself...

... and how are their defenses doing? Is there defense stopping teams to 11.3 pts per game? Hmmm let's take a look...

KC - 11.3 pts per game allowed.
CH - 24.7 pts per game allowed.
SD - 27 pts per game allowed.
PH - 28.7 pts per game allowed.

Something very different here... wonder what it could be? Maybe thsoe other teams are forced into getting back from bigger deficits? Hmm.....

LMAO

I can only assume you've never watched a AR coached team in Philly.

Top 10 offense in points scored in 8 of his last 11 seasons.

Top 8 in 4 of his last 5. Over 26 PPG.

AR teams are not "reserved". They score points - a lot of them.

This team could have the 16-0 Patriots offense and the 1985 Bears defense and some on here would still find something to complain about.

I have complete control over my life.

I only have any (however insignificant) control over the Chiefs when they play at home and I attend a game.

Also, keep in mind these "cynical, jaded mother****ers on here" created a web site, FB account, and paid money to fly banners to pressure change.

And change came...

5th best in run blocking seems generous but it is what it is.

I don't like nor am I agreeing with how the offense is going at the moment. I believe in driving the dagger deep until the enemy stops twitching :) I'm just not seeing it so far. Whatever the reason may be.

Yep. he also had QB's that could throw past 10 yards.

LMAO He was being sarcastic and mocking some fans.

Indeed, but this place will be a fun read after our first loss.

I agree, but I really think they added in Alex's runs... add in JC's 55 yds to Alex's 57 yds on a 7.1 yards per carry in week 2? Guess that makes a big difference on this run ranking.

Chicago has an entirely new OL. Only the center remains from last year's squad.

3/5 of the Chargers' line is new. Hardwick and Clary are the holdovers.


But our excuse is that we need time to "gel".

I'd rather win pretty like Denver than win ugly, but hey why strive to do that huh?

Welp, that's on him.

He hand-picked the guy who won't throw downfield.

Nooooooo :)

I would rather just win.

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE HAPPY WITH 3-0?

I would guess Reid doesn't want to create injuries to his main players by fully crushing an opponent when he doesn't have to. Imagine if he did go all out on the Jaguars in the 2nd half and this allowed for a season-ender to Bowe.

You think Reid wouldn't get massive heat for that?

Smith is a logical guy.

He locates the easiest completion with lowest risk.

He completes the pass.

He moves on to the next down.

I'm sure that if Bowe was wide open by 10 or more yards he'd get thrown the ball. Honestly, that's not Bowe's game. You just have to trust Bowe to be Bowe and most of the time he'll make the play.

He also seems to be one of those WR's that's like a HB: the more he gets the ball the better he gets.

Yeah, that seems realistic. Better than 23rd but not much better. I gotta believe the o-line performance will improve and its great that we are getting wins while still going thru growing pains.

What ya got, BigMouth58? nothing to say?

I agree and I don't quite understand it.

Playing football is dangerous.

You still play until the final whistle...

I do, I just don't agree with it...

actually, so far, he's made the play asked of him only 53% of the time... :(

It does beat losing, but wouldn't you like to beat mediocre teams like the Eagles/Cowboys a little more convincingly? That would make me feel better heading into the playoffs since winning in the playoffs is sort of what's it's all about. I'd like to see a 14 point plus beatdown of the Giants this week.

You play... but you can half-ass it to protect certain players in an obvious win.

Why argue with you?

You're just going to make more excuses.

To think that offenses only score what they need to score is one of the single dumbest arguments I've ever read in 8 years here.

Using your batshit insane logic, the Broncos should be taking their foot of the pedal at 24 points. They are giving up 23.

Instead, they are scoring 43 a game.

Why?

Because they can, and because teams don't just quit scoring in close games because they feel they have all the points they need.

Do you keep a book full of these excuses?

Or have you used them all so many times you've committed them to memory?

Comp% will come with time. His 2nd WR didn't even become that until the preseason was about over. His main TE is injured. His O line is not exactly helping him out in pass protection.

I think his numbers will slowly bounce up to what they were the last 1.5 seasons in SF...

You mean Bowe's not injured? Huh. I remember seeing him hug Andy after the Gatorade shower, but between the opening kickoff and that, I don't remember seeing him much. He must have been on when I was grabbing a beer.

If you're up by 21 pts with 8 minutes left.

If the other team still has a legit shot to win (14 down with 8 left) you better not let up...

Some people on here would bitch if we managed to win the Super Bowl 77-0.