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ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:26 AM

Chiefs are looking for a 2nd and a pick in 2014 for Albert
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Chiefs are seeking a second-round pick in this year's draft as well as another pick in 2014 in a trade for franchise OT Branden Albert.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/315121946100658176">March 22, 2013</a></blockquote>
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BlackHelicopters 03-22-2013 09:28 AM

No way.

DeezNutz 03-22-2013 09:28 AM

Whenever you can trade a young, high-quality player for the possibility of drafting his direct replacement, you simply have to make that move.

Albert's back better be ****ed.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2013 09:29 AM

so they are trying to use Albert to recover the cost of Alex Smith?

el borracho 03-22-2013 09:29 AM

Trying to undo the damage of the trade for Alex Smith.

RunKC 03-22-2013 09:29 AM

So this is how they are trying to get their picks back from the Alex Smith trade.

The Franchise 03-22-2013 09:30 AM

Or you could have just NOT TRADED FOR ALEX ****ING SMITH!

L.A. Chieffan 03-22-2013 09:30 AM

Alex Smith for Brandon Albert? WINNING

Hootie 03-22-2013 09:31 AM

I don't mind this at all. I think that is more than fair. I think we overrate Albert a bit...I think he's solid, don't get me wrong...but he's not a world beater and he is coming off an injury.

I think people need to settle down on this board.

DeezNutz 03-22-2013 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9520525)
I don't mind this at all. I think that is more than fair. I think we overrate Albert a bit...I think he's solid, don't get me wrong...but he's not a world beater and he is coming off an injury.

I think people need to settle down on this board.

It's the impending waste of the #1 overall pick that's even more egregious than throwing away a high-quality, young LT.

Just differing levels of stupid, and there's no way of justifying it.

tyton75 03-22-2013 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9520525)
I don't mind this at all. I think that is more than fair. I think we overrate Albert a bit...I think he's solid, don't get me wrong...but he's not a world beater and he is coming off an injury.

I think people need to settle down on this board.

Completely agree with you :toast:

Imon Yourside 03-22-2013 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9520525)
I don't mind this at all. I think that is more than fair. I think we overrate Albert a bit...I think he's solid, don't get me wrong...but he's not a world beater and he is coming off an injury.

I think people need to settle down on this board.

Back Spasms dude.

TEX 03-22-2013 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9520516)
Whenever you can trade a young, high-quality player for the possibility of drafting his direct replacement, you simply have to make that move.

Albert's back better be ****ed.

Not really - why not keep your high-quality young player and pick another player that will IMPROVE your team NOW, rather than draft a player just to replace what you lost?

Deberg_1990 03-22-2013 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9520530)
It's the impending waste of the #1 overall pick that's even more egregious than throwing away a high-quality, young LT.

Just differing levels of stupid, and there's no way of justifying it.

The reality is, we dont know what impact any of these moves will have until the season starts or a year or two down the road. If the Chiefs start to win games, thats all that matters.

BigMeatballDave 03-22-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9520525)
I don't mind this at all. I think that is more than fair. I think we overrate Albert a bit...I think he's solid, don't get me wrong...but he's not a world beater and he is coming off an injury.

I think people need to settle down on this board.

Yeah, because giving up 1 whole sack in 13 games is awful.

Overrated.

L.A. Chieffan 03-22-2013 09:35 AM

If this happens we went from a questionable quarertback and LT situation to now a completely solid quaterback and LT situation. Id say Reid and the boys are getin' r dun!

kcxiv 03-22-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9520525)
I don't mind this at all. I think that is more than fair. I think we overrate Albert a bit...I think he's solid, don't get me wrong...but he's not a world beater and he is coming off an injury.

I think people need to settle down on this board.

Why? They are just delaying the inevitable! I hope they have some kind of magic they pull out of their ass, because out of all the ok moves they have done, they have done 1 bad move and 1 potentially bad move! I wouldnt mind so much about bad moves here n there, but when its at the 2 most important positions on the offense it makes ya worry.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2013 09:35 AM

more standing pat

we have made very few improvements this offseason, just switching out similar pieces.

Mr_Tomahawk 03-22-2013 09:35 AM

Take both of the dolphins 2nd rnd picks. I would be fine with that.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9520530)
It's the impending waste of the #1 overall pick that's even more egregious than throwing away a high-quality, young LT.

Just differing levels of stupid, and there's no way of justifying it.

Andy Reid and John Dorsey not married to Albert. This happens all the time in the NFL when a regime takes over.

kcxiv 03-22-2013 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9520541)
If this happens we went from a questionable quarertback and LT situation to now a completely solid quaterback and LT situation. Id say Reid and the boys are getin' r dun!

under your name you just need to put the word professional board troll! lol

Hootie 03-22-2013 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9520530)
It's the impending waste of the #1 overall pick that's even more egregious than throwing away a high-quality, young LT.

Just differing levels of stupid, and there's no way of justifying it.

Meh. You never know with large dudes...Albert could simply just be done for all we know.

Either way...getting a 2nd out of a guy we all figured to be gone is no big deal. That's fair value for Albert.

If we draft Joeckel at #1 it'll suck...I still want to trade down. But I'm not going to freak about trading Albert. It's whatever.

King_Chief_Fan 03-22-2013 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520511)
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DeezNutz 03-22-2013 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520546)
Andy Reid and John Dorsey not married to Albert. This happens all the time in the NFL when a regime takes over.

It has nothing to do with "whose player" someone is and everything to do with blind stupidity, just like trading for Alex Smith.

DaKCMan AP 03-22-2013 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9520537)
Not really - why not keep your high-quality young player and pick another player that will IMPROVE your team NOW, rather than draft a player just to replace what you lost?

LMAO

suds79 03-22-2013 09:37 AM

No f-ing way they get that much for Albert.

But I get it. It's negotiation.

Ask for a 2nd and then some.... Hope you settle on just a 2 for him.

Hootie 03-22-2013 09:37 AM

and as much as I'll hate it, I'm going to assume Joeckel would be an upgrade to Albert if it happens...at least he better be.

but I'm not going to fret about something that hasn't happened...I still assume we're going to trade down. If we don't, it'll be disappointing.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9520550)
It has nothing to do with "whose player" someone is and everything to do with blind stupidity, just like trading for Alex Smith.

Alex Smith in Reid and Dorsey eyes was the best QB this off-season. Sorry they don't like Geno.

The Franchise 03-22-2013 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9520553)
and as much as I'll hate it, I'm going to assume Joeckel would be an upgrade to Albert if it happens...at least he better be.

but I'm not going to fret about something that hasn't happened...I still assume we're going to trade down. If we don't, it'll be disappointing.

Joeckel better be a top 5 LT.

Every time he gets bullrushed and gets Alex Smith killed.....I'm going to laugh.

YayMike 03-22-2013 09:39 AM

If they must.....

Trade Albert for a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year.
Trade down to allow Buffalo to get Geno for a 2nd and 4th this year , a 1st next year.

Draft Fischer.

Profit.

Use the three newly acquired picks to address WR, OLB/ILB, S.

Profit again.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9520545)
Take both of the dolphins 2nd rnd picks. I would be fine with that.

Dude not getting that. Miami will just draft a LT. Not gonna give Albert 9m a year then give up 2 2nd round picks when they can just draft a LT.

King_Chief_Fan 03-22-2013 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9520556)
Joeckel better be a top 5 LT.

Every time he gets bullrushed and gets Alex Smith killed.....I'm going to laugh.


http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...00AviDyw8ipF1A

Mr_Tomahawk 03-22-2013 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520559)
Dude not getting that. Miami will just draft a LT. Not gonna give Albert 9m a year then give up 2 2nd round picks when they can just draft a LT.

Then no dice.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9520562)
Then no dice.

So what you want Albert to play this year and leave next year and get nothing?

Ming the Merciless 03-22-2013 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9520516)
Whenever you can trade a young, high-quality player for the possibility of drafting his direct replacement, you simply have to make that move

:LOL:

Post of the year

suds79 03-22-2013 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520563)
So what you want Albert to play this year and leave next year and get nothing?

This.

People need to realize he's just not part of the long term plan. They're taking a LT high and moving on.

Hootie 03-22-2013 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9520556)

Every time he gets bullrushed and gets Alex Smith killed.....I'm going to laugh.

sounds fun, I hope you enjoy yourself!

L.A. Chieffan 03-22-2013 09:44 AM

Dorsey is making a mockery of the rest of the NFL. Work em man! Get it while the gettin is good

The Franchise 03-22-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9520567)
sounds fun, I hope you enjoy yourself!

I will. It'll be just like the Matt Cassel years. Every time Cassel got into the fetal position....I laughed.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YayMike (Post 9520558)
If they must.....

Trade Albert for a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year.
Trade down to allow Buffalo to get Geno for a 2nd and 4th this year , a 1st next year.

Draft Fischer.

Profit.

Use the three newly acquired picks to address WR, OLB/ILB, S.

Profit again.

i keep waiting for some profit

so far we are just spinning wheels

The Franchise 03-22-2013 09:45 AM

Call the Colts. I'll take their 1st round pick this year for Albert. They need a LT to protect Luck. Castanzo sucks.

Deberg_1990 03-22-2013 09:45 AM

If they trade Albert and trade down a few spots and still get the guy they want+ all the extra picks , thats pretty winning IMO.

DaKCMan AP 03-22-2013 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520563)
So what you want Albert to play this year and leave next year and get nothing?

Tag him again next year.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9520573)
If they trade Albert and trade down a few spots and still get the guy they want+ all the extra picks they want thats pretty winning IMO.

Agree 100%

suds79 03-22-2013 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9520572)
Call the Colts. I'll take their 1st round pick this year for Albert. They need a LT to protect Luck. Castanzo sucks.

Has a team ever traded a LT for a 1st round pick?

Honestly I can't think of an occasion.

RunKC 03-22-2013 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520559)
Dude not getting that. Miami will just draft a LT. Not gonna give Albert 9m a year then give up 2 2nd round picks when they can just draft a LT.

What can we get then? What team is gonna give up something for him?


Miami's 2nd this year and next year is my guess.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9520576)
Has a team ever traded a LT for a 1st round pick?

Honestly I can't think of an occasion.

I don't see any team in the league giving up a first for Albert. Just don't see a team giving up A First and giving him 9m a year. When this draft is loaded with LT.

philfree 03-22-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9520565)
This.

People need to realize he's just not part of the long term plan. They're taking a LT high and moving on.

Well alot of peole think that trading LTs and giving up 1.1 in the process is a waste of assets. I tend to agree. I'd like to ask them why they don't want to keep Albert? Maybe if I had an explanation as to why perhaps it'd make some sense but as of right now this make little sense.

philfree 03-22-2013 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520579)
I don't see any team in the league giving up a first for Albert. Just don't see a team giving up and First and giving him 9m a year. When this draft is loaded with LT.


Five LTs in the first 40 picks.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9520580)
Well alot of peole think that trading LTs and giving up 1.1 in the process is a waste of assets. I tend to agree. I'd like to ask them why they don't want to keep Albert? Maybe if I had an explanation as to why perhaps it'd make some sense but as of right now this make little sense.

Andy Reid didn't draft Albert this happens all the time when a new Regime takes over.

philfree 03-22-2013 09:51 AM

This is a losy market for LTs so we should trade our away now so we can minimize the value.

suds79 03-22-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9520580)
Well alot of peole think that trading LTs and giving up 1.1 in the process is a waste of assets. I tend to agree. I'd like to ask them why they don't want to keep Albert? Maybe if I had an explanation as to why perhaps it'd make some sense but as of right now this make little sense.

Agree.

I mean if I was in charge, I would certainly have done things differently.

Albert long term deal, don't trade for Alex, draft Geno.

But clearly none of that is happening. Seems to me we're going to draft a LT, trade Albert for a 2nd and go forward.

I get it that people are frustrated but at some point have to decide to either accept it or move onto another team. (this thought is more in relation to still b#tching about Alex Smith being our starter)

Mr_Tomahawk 03-22-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520563)
So what you want Albert to play this year and leave next year and get nothing?

No I want to sign him to a longterm deal.

But if we are talking about trades...I don't want to advertise what we will take for him.

I feel we ****ed ourselves over with how we handled Cassel's release. We were supposedly trying to work out a trade, but it was known that we would release him...so why the hell would a team trade for him knowing he is going to be released. At worse, a team would get into a bidding war with another suitor. We should have played our hand differently as if we were working out a new deal (reduced/backup salary) if we couldn't trade him.

If they are going to trade Albert...it better be done a lot better than when we were going to 'trade' Cassel.

"**** a 2nd. We want will only take a 1st. Or go **** yourself." -Dorsey with a possible trade suitor

The Franchise 03-22-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520579)
I don't see any team in the league giving up a first for Albert. Just don't see a team giving up A First and giving him 9m a year. When this draft is loaded with LT.

The Colts have zero chance of grabbing one of the top 3 LTs in this draft.

DaKCMan AP 03-22-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520584)
Andy Reid didn't draft Albert this happens all the time when a new Regime takes over.

Name the last time a franchise tagged offensive lineman was traded for a 2nd round pick following the hiring of a new HC & GM.

O.city 03-22-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520584)
Andy Reid didn't draft Albert this happens all the time when a new Regime takes over.

So that makes it the right move?

It really doesn't matter what move they make, in your eyes it's the right move. Stick to twitter

DaKCMan AP 03-22-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9520587)
This is a losy market for LTs so we should trade our away now so we can minimize the value.

Buy high - sell low, baby!

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9520587)
This is a losy market for LTs so we should trade our away now so we can minimize the value.

He's gone after this year. Chiefs wont tag him in 2014 at 11.5m. Chiefs Cap look's awful in 2014

DeezNutz 03-22-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520584)
Andy Reid didn't draft Albert this happens all the time when a new Regime takes over.

Please provide some tweets of a new regime coming in and purposely flushing a young, high-quality tackle just to draft another tackle, hoping that he can be AS GOOD as the guy who just walked.

If you mean that new regimes often make hasty, incredibly stupid decisions, then, yes, I agree.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9520594)
So that makes it the right move?

It really doesn't matter what move they make, in your eyes it's the right move. Stick to twitter

Dude i cant even keep up with you. How many times have you flip flop this off season?

philfree 03-22-2013 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520584)
Andy Reid didn't draft Albert this happens all the time when a new Regime takes over.

Until they prove otherwise it's a terrible move and wastes our teams assets. And I've watched the NFL for ever pretty much and I don't need to be told what happens all the time. Thank you.

beer bacon 03-22-2013 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9520517)
so they are trying to use Albert to recover the cost of Alex Smith?

We're just trying to just keep this team as good as it was last season. The new coach and GM don't want this train to go off the tracks.

philfree 03-22-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520596)
He's gone after this year. Chiefs wont tag him in 2014 at 11.5m. Chiefs Cap look's awful in 2014

Give the guy a contract maybe.

beer bacon 03-22-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9520525)
I don't mind this at all. I think that is more than fair. I think we overrate Albert a bit...I think he's solid, don't get me wrong...but he's not a world beater and he is coming off an injury.

I think people need to settle down on this board.

Our off season/draft is going to be trading for Matt Cassel 2.0 and then drafting Albert 2.0. We're doing nothing to get significantly better next season. These don't appear to be the moves of a team that wants to win a Super Bowl any time soon.

DaKCMan AP 03-22-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520596)
He's gone after this year. Chiefs wont tag him in 2014 at 11.5m. Chiefs Cap look's awful in 2014

His cap number would be less than $11m if tagged in 2014. Stop making up garbage. JFC if it's not someone else's tweet your posts are full of stupid.

O.city 03-22-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520598)
Dude i cant even keep up with you. How many times have you flip flop this off season?

I haven't flipped on anything. They've made some good moves and some bad ones. This would be a bad one



And it's easy to keep up with you. We all know whatever move they make, your good with it

DeezNutz 03-22-2013 09:56 AM

Tag him. Play the year to prove that the back isn't a problem, then sign him to an extension. This really isn't too ****ing difficult.

The cap, as it's always been, is a farce and something that can be managed.

The Franchise 03-22-2013 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9520608)
Tag him. Play the year to prove that the back isn't a problem, then sign him to an extension. This really isn't too ****ing difficult.

The cap, as it's always been, is a farce and something that can be managed.

This.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-22-2013 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9520603)
Give the guy a contract maybe.

You do know it takes 2 sides right? No one here knows what Albert is asking for. Maybe the Chiefs don't think Albert is a 9 to 10m a year LT.

The Franchise 03-22-2013 09:57 AM

It'll be wonderful to find out that Reid has no clue what he's doing when it comes to building an offensive line.

O.city 03-22-2013 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520610)
You do know it takes 2 sides right? No one here knows what Albert is asking for. Maybe the Chiefs don't think Albert is a 9 to 10m a year LT.

And we know that's what he's asking for?

RunKC 03-22-2013 09:58 AM

O.city what if we traded Branden Albert for a 2nd and next years 2nd/3rd and traded our 1st pick to a team in the top 10 and got Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson + another 2nd + next years 1st?

No way you can't not like that move.

DaKCMan AP 03-22-2013 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9520611)
It'll be wonderful to find out that Reid has no clue what he's doing when it comes to building an offensive line.

It's ok. twatter-boy will be here to gargle Reid's balls and tell us it's a good move.

Mother****erJones 03-22-2013 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520563)
So what you want Albert to play this year and leave next year and get nothing?

They wont get a top 3 tackle in this draft. Joeckel, Fisher and Johnson will all be gone by then

-King- 03-22-2013 09:59 AM

Pick 1.1 and Branden Albert for Joeckel and Alex Smith. LMAO
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The Franchise 03-22-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9520614)
O.city what if we traded Branden Albert for a 2nd and next years 2nd/3rd and traded our 1st pick to a team in the top 10 and got Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson + another 2nd + next years 1st?

No way you can't not like that move.

It's the best of a worst case scenario. You still traded Alex Smith for Brandon Albert.

DaKCMan AP 03-22-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9520617)
Pick 1.1 and Branden Albert for Joeckel and Alex Smith. LMAO
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:deevee:

philfree 03-22-2013 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9520610)
You do know it takes 2 sides right? No one here knows what Albert is asking for. Maybe the Chiefs don't think Albert is a 9 to 10m a year LT.


It takes two sides really? Who would have known?

DeezNutz 03-22-2013 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9520614)
O.city what if we traded Branden Albert for a 2nd and next years 2nd/3rd and traded our 1st pick to a team in the top 10 and got Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson + another 2nd + next years 1st?

No way you can't not like that move.

What if we kept Albert, traded with Buffalo, recouping a second this year and a first next year?

This frees us up to take whomever, including a pass rusher, Milliner if he drops, etc. Hell, you'd have to give serious thought to Austin or Eifert.

O.city 03-22-2013 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9520614)
O.city what if we traded Branden Albert for a 2nd and next years 2nd/3rd and traded our 1st pick to a team in the top 10 and got Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson + another 2nd + next years 1st?

No way you can't not like that move.

I'd prefer not to trade away good young players only to have to replace them with a top 10 pick.


I'd rather keep Albert and trade back and take a pass rusher. IMO we overvalue picks around here quite a bit


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