I know Mike would be humble here, and I know his Mother who has the kids would be eternally grateful and humbled as well. Class act Phil, but those who know you know this your norm. Thanks.

set up a paypal account for cash donations as itd be safer than mailing checks.

PM me. I'll have a name and address for checks. I will facilitate paypal donations and write a check for what comes in. The personal checks will go straight to Mike's mother (who cares for the kids) and to Dan's wife.

We got that. PM me for the info. Rather not put it on an open forum.

Classy move. RIP, vaya con dios.

That's fine as a concept, but I'm wondering where the line is?

Just members? Long time members who post regularly? Spouses? Parents? Children?

That's a good question. We have a lot of members. Obviously, not every death is going to mean we put up a solicitation like this.

You and your wallet decide where the line is. If neither of these guys inspired you and you don't feel compelled to throw down a few bucks then don't. I'm not going to spend my time organizing this each time a member of this site dies, obviously. But these two were particularly tragic, too soon, and there is a need for donations. I feel comfortable the money sent isn't going to be injected into somebody's arm or used for a trip to Vegas. Obviously, a guy like Logical would have qualified for something like this if there had been a need communicated. But we honor his memory in other ways because he was financially well off.

Holy shit, I want to go kick something after learning this. Every time something like this happens, I wonder why the good people have to go early.
I am going to miss Crazyhorse on here, and had truly wanted to meet him in person.
I wasn't aware of the MadMax passing either, will post again when I collect myself.

I've spoken with the kids grandmother who is raising them. She has no problem with people sending check donations to Phil or even directly to her personally. If you'd like to mail direct you can PM me for her name and address. 14 and 16 is awfully expensive for someone who's already done it in generations passed and didn't expect this to happen again. She has asked for nothing, but I know first hand it would be incredibly helpful. It's much appreciated but she wouldn't want anyone to take any mustard off their hotdog on her account so no one should stress themselves to do it.

How about I just send a case of mustard?

Send that to me.

Donation on the way.

I think setting a line where this step is taken is fraught with land mines. But, I think we can safely set the bar to at least long time members of the community in good standing.

I agree. I know we've done this several times over the years. One was strange in that a father/son duo in good standing here had their wife/mother become diagnosed terminal. They were open about how their homelife was suffering so we collected some money and sent some pizzas to lessen the load on the sick lady. Then we sent the rest to hire a cleaning crew to come out. That lady is still alive and kicking which is awesome but it left questions about the contribution. No, I'm not going to identify them. There's really nothing to be embarrassed about but my intention isn't to finger them at all.

Then there was another member collecting money for himself. We'll never allow that again.

Nut Hooks!!!! :mad:

No issue with that one. I donated to that and I feel really food that she made it. A true blessing for that Family.