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Hammock Parties 02-19-2013 10:26 AM
Peter King is such a douche.

"Oh! I see that people are poo-pooing this QB class! I haven't done any actual research on it myself, but everyone else says it, so it must be true!"

"Oh! I see on pro football reference that the 1997 QB class (in hindsight) was shitty! I will compare these draft classes!"

"Oh! I am insightful!"

htismaqe 02-19-2013 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9415235)
And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success.
ROFL

Andy Reid picked Donovan McNabb #2 overall.

Andy Reid, without Donovan McNabb, has won exactly ZERO playoff games.

You have completely manufactured a narrative of PURE FANTASY.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-19-2013 10:30 AM
It's too bad Baltimore "reached" on Flacco. Think of the value they could have had!!!

Hammock Parties 02-19-2013 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9415209)

There are more options. Some people seem to be writing off all other options for any number of somewhat irrationally looking reasons, IMO.
Taking a 3-4 DE or LT, when the team has a top 10 LT already, are NOT options. Sorry. That's a complete waste of a #1 pick.

The only argument I can accept as rational for #1 other than a QB is trading down.

Frankie 02-19-2013 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9414891)
Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.
OK the Sean Renfree bandwagon is loading up and ready to roll.... ALL ABOARD!!!

jAZ 02-19-2013 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9415216)
Wrong again. The Cassel experience should ABSOLUTELY have impact on this situation.

You find the BEST QB AVAILABLE in whatever way you can. Trade, free agency, or draft. And you do what it takes to get that QB.

The only reason why you would take Alex Smith over Geno is not because you can get a better price, but ONLY IF he's a better QB than Geno is. And it's apparent from the lack of offers that teams don't believe he IS worth the trade at all, meaning he's probably not the best QB we can get in this offseason.

In 2009 we took the best QB value. It got us a subpar player. We'll be doing the same thing again... compromising value on the QUARTERBACK, THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL POSITIONS X100 on the freakin field.
You speak as if the outcomes are a known fact. They aren't. Not remotely. In fact, you know A LOT more about Alex Smith than Geno Smith. And you knew A LOT more about Matt Cassel than Mark Sanchez.

My view is that you trust the professionals, always. The process they use is far more substantive and informed than the process almost any fan uses.

Talk about it all you want, but the moment the fan starts taking their opinions so seriously that they feel their evaluation process is better than the pros, is the moment they should take a break from things for a while.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-19-2013 10:38 AM
process they use is far more substantive and informed than the process almost any fan uses.

JAZ is Pioli

RealSNR 02-19-2013 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9415235)
I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.
I know. I agree. Andy Reid is a good coach.

You still haven't addressed my point of what the best and most valuable pick we can make at #1 is. Good coaches have to draft well, after all. And they need franchise QBs.

jAZ 02-19-2013 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9415248)
ROFL

Andy Reid picked Donovan McNabb #2 overall.

Andy Reid, without Donovan McNabb, has won exactly ZERO playoff games.

You have completely manufactured a narrative of PURE FANTASY.
Like I said if he decides to pick Geno Smith #1 overall, that's great. Fan views on the matter mean nothing.

RealSNR 02-19-2013 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9415286)
You speak as if the outcomes are a known fact. They aren't. Not remotely. In fact, you know A LOT more about Alex Smith than Geno Smith. And you knew A LOT more about Matt Cassel than Mark Sanchez.

My view is that you trust the professionals, always. The process they use is far more substantive and informed than the process almost any fan uses.

Talk about it all you want, but the moment the fan starts taking their opinions so seriously that they feel their evaluation process is better than the pros, is the moment they should take a break from things for a while.
I AM trusting the professionals. The reports are out there that nobody wants or gives a shit about Alex Smith.

I know quite a bit about Geno Smith. I know he's got a chance of being a really really good QB in this league. I and other professionals in the business know that it's an infinitesimally small chance that Alex Smith becomes as good as Geno could possibly be.

That's why teams will spend a first round pick on Geno (hopefully it's the Chiefs who do it). They WON'T be trading a first round pick to the 49ers for Alex Smith. And I doubt a team does it for a 2nd or a 3rd, either.

jAZ 02-19-2013 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9415292)
I know. I agree. Andy Reid is a good coach.

You still haven't addressed my point of what the best and most valuable pick we can make at #1 is. Good coaches have to draft well, after all. And they need franchise QBs.
We (fans) don't have the tools to give the best answer to that. It's hard enough job when you have all of the tools. It's PURE FANTASY to pretend that fans with other jobs can do a better job in the long run, than any pro doing their job using all the tools they have.

I'm not avoiding your question, my answer is that we shouldn't try to (seriously) answer that question. Have fun with the talk, but don't flip out when others disagree... specifically when those others are highly paid professionals.

The Franchise 02-19-2013 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9415294)
Like I said if he decides to pick Geno Smith #1 overall, that's great. Fan views on the matter mean nothing.
Yeah.....just completely blow by the fact that you were ****ing wrong.

DJ's left nut 02-19-2013 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9415239)
Alex Smith isn't winning shit.
Shenanigans.

Alex Smith was a fumbling kick returner away from a SB in 2011. When he went down in 2012 he was leading the NFL in passer efficiency and got benched for a guy that was just a hell of a lot more dynamic than Alex. Y'know what? Kaepernick's a hell of a lot more dynamic than Geno is as well.

Give Smith a good team and he can get you to 12 wins. And yes, it's absolutely possible that he could get hot like Flacco and take a team to the SB - he should have in 2011.

I'm getting really tired of people that feel that have to slam Alex Smith to justify Geno Smith. All that does is diminish Geno. Alex Smith would be as good as Trent Green was in KC under Andy Reid, I honestly believe that. Geno has the upside to be the top 10 guy that Alex doesn't, but that doesn't mean Alex is crap.

jAZ 02-19-2013 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9415291)
process they use is far more substantive and informed than the process almost any fan uses.

JAZ is *****
Nah, I have (a little) more hair than him. :)

RealSNR 02-19-2013 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9415301)
We (fans) don't have the tools to give the best answer to that. It's hard enough job when you have all of the tools. It's PURE FANTASY to pretend that fans with other jobs can do a better job in the long run, than any pro doing their job using all the tools they have.

I'm not avoiding your question, my answer is that we shouldn't try to (seriously) answer that question. Have fun with the talk, but don't flip out when others disagree... specifically when those others are highly paid professionals.
Fans with other jobs have the balls to do what's right for the franchise sometimes.

Isn't that what this draft game is all about? Doing what's best for the team, not what will save your job the longest?


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