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Just Passin' By 02-18-2014 12:15 PM
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Arkansas state code 5-2-608 says deadly force may be used against another person if the“person reasonably believes the use of deadly physical force is necessary to prevent the commission of arson or burglary by a trespasser.” Burglary hardly sounds the same as someone “using deadly force against you”. In fact, burglary is defined in Arkansas law as:


5-39-201. Residential burglary
(a) (1) A person commits residential burglary if he or she enters or remains unlawfully in a residential occupiable structure of another person with the purpose of committing in the residential occupiable structure any offense punishable by imprisonment.
http://www.examiner.com/article/usin...glary-arkansas

Unless they've changed the law in Arkansas since 2010, the shooter would seem to be in deep kimchi.

Garcia Bronco 02-18-2014 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Earthling (Post 10438924)
They probably added the "terrorist act" charge to make sure he does some real time.
I don't know the specfics of that but be sure one day if you run a-foul on a protected class you'll get charged with murder, a hate crime, and a terrorist act. It's getting stupid.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 02-18-2014 12:18 PM
If the car was in front of the garage, front door or on the street makes a bit of difference.

Garcia Bronco 02-18-2014 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10439190)
To be fair, I shave my chest before I take those sort of photos.
and I never, ever point my gun at my own junk.

Hamwallet 02-18-2014 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10439147)
Is this the part of the story you've modified to your liking to make it more plausible to shoot somebody for being on your property?
We'll if you would read this thread from the beginning I agreed with someone there was more to the story and gave that as a possible reason for the shooting. But please pick and choose to suit yourself.

Jimmya 02-18-2014 12:19 PM
So what do you do if this happens at your house? I always get my. 45 and head out looking for whatever is causing the noise. Never know in todays crazy world.

Garcia Bronco 02-18-2014 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 10439197)
I think it's tragic. However, if I were at home, it was late at night, and several people were roaming my property and messing with my truck, I'd probably shoot at them as well. It's not like people don't know that this can't happen.

People, DON'T GO ****ING AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLES SHIT, PARTICULARLY ON THEIR PROPERTY. YOU MIGHT GET SHOT!
I'd get cover and put a round at the ground to scare the shit out of them. If I discharged my weapon at all.

TLO 02-18-2014 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 10439197)
I think it's tragic. However, if I were at home, it was late at night, and several people were roaming my property and messing with my truck, I'd probably shoot at them as well. It's not like people don't know that this can't happen.

People, DON'T GO ****ING AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLES SHIT, PARTICULARLY ON THEIR PROPERTY. YOU MIGHT GET SHOT!
Tell us about that brawl you got into again.

Rasputin 02-18-2014 12:27 PM
& yet Justin Bieber lives...

Pablo 02-18-2014 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 10439250)
While the dumbshit kid obviously didn't deserve to die for his stupidity, I do take exception to the author of the story referring to vandalism of someone's property as a "prank", or the kid's friend referring to it as a "mistake".
Yeah, it's pretty clearly vandalism.

Maybe the kids didn't think of it that way, but it is. And if somebody keys your car in the parking lot or decides to bust your window out and rummage through your stuff; those are most definitely issues your insurance company will handle for you.

I assume most of you all have homeowner's and/or auto insurance. Pay your deductible, file a police report and move on with your life. Or you could step out and start shooting and see where that gets you.

Pablo 02-18-2014 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 10439277)
well, you can always call the cops too! There's no way I'd go outside with a loaded gun and just start firing shots, that is absolutely the worst possible thing to do because you NEVER know who is out there. Maybe you end up shooting your neighbor who heard the noises and was coming over to help.

Point being, there is no justification for this shooting. The man who shot the gun was not in danger himself. Sure, his car was getting messed up and that sucks, but it's not worth taking someone else's life.
Some people think that their personal property deserves the same sort of protection and lethal force that they or their own families do.

Inside your house, threatening you and your family? Fire away.

Egging your car? Call the cops and file an insurance claim.

Fat Elvis 02-18-2014 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10439319)
Yeah, it's pretty clearly vandalism.

Maybe the kids didn't think of it that way, but it is. And if somebody keys your car in the parking lot or decides to bust your window out and rummage through your stuff; those are most definitely issues your insurance company will handle for you.

I assume most of you all have homeowner's and/or auto insurance. Pay your deductible, file a police report and move on with your life. Or you could step out and start shooting and see where that gets you.
http://www.sevenbros.com/images/smith054.jpg

Pablo 02-18-2014 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 10439328)
LMAO

Can't say that I've seen that one before.

Just Passin' By 02-18-2014 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10439327)
Some people think that their personal property deserves the same sort of protection and lethal force that they or their own families do.

The laws vary by state. Texas give more leeway to shoot over property than Arkansas, for example.

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§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/9.42.00.html
car.

tooge 02-18-2014 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10439216)
Yeah, and you might get arrested and charged with murder.

Some teens are willing to toilet paper cars and houses and risk their lives I suppose. Are you willing to risk your life and freedom to teach them a lesson?
well, I probably would call the police if I lived in a neighborhood. I live out in the country, and my house sits about 200 yards off of a county highway. You can't see my house from the road at all. If someone is at my house, I'm fearing for my families safety, and while I probably come out with a gun and tell them to get, or fire a warning shot into the ground, I was simply saying that if I were frightened enough, I can see how this happens.

Not to mention, unless I could see that they were TPing the car, in which case, I'd just run them off, how do I know that they aren't thugs looking to steal my wallet from my car?

Look, I think it sucks. But, it is what it is. Don't go ****ing with other peoples shit. period.


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