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ct 09-04-2012 01:59 PM

Gerrard released
 
David Garrard - QB - Dolphins
Dolphins released QB David Garrard.

With experienced backup signal-callers such as Seneca Wallace and Brian Hoyer freely available, the Dolphins were unable to land even a late-round pick for Garrard or Matt Moore. Even though Garrard had emerged as the front-runner early in training camp, it made little sense to keep him on the roster at $2.25 million once Ryan Tannehill had been announced as the starter. Expected to be back to full health in a week or two, Garrard shouldn't be out of work for very long.


Yea yea he's always hurt, but he's much better than Cassel, I'm game. Anyone else?

KCrockaholic 09-04-2012 02:00 PM

Do it.

BigCatDaddy 09-04-2012 02:01 PM

Why the hell not give a lot round pick for Matt Moore?

The Franchise 09-04-2012 02:02 PM

If we sign another QB.....it either means that Quinn's injury is worse than thought or Stanzi isn't keeping his roster spot.

RealSNR 09-04-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick (Post 8877061)
Why the hell not give a lot round pick for Matt Moore?

Because he's now the primary backup, and the Dolphins aren't going to foolishly get rid of their only other option besides Tannehill for just a late round pick.

saphojunkie 09-04-2012 02:02 PM

Bring him in. Cut Stanzi.

Black Bob 09-04-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8877060)
Do it.

Yep :thumb:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8877065)
If we sign another QB.....it either means that Quinn's injury is worse than thought or Stanzi isn't keeping his roster spot.

Or maybe Quinn and Stanzi just suck?

ct 09-04-2012 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 8877067)
Knows Daboll's offense. Bring him in. Cut Stanzi.

Not sure about that, Gerrard wasn't with Miami last year, it's Philbin's offense he's been learning. That said, I don't care. He's a decent starter if he can get himself upright. At a minimum, he's light years better insurance than Stanzi/Quinn on the bench.

Unsmooth-Moment 09-04-2012 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 8877067)
Bring him in. Cut Stanzi.

This

Sofa King 09-04-2012 02:05 PM

I'm so sick of shitty qb's......

vailpass 09-04-2012 02:05 PM

His last injury happened at home with no exterior cause i.e. slip and fall, etc. His body is giving out. He's toast.

Reerun_KC 09-04-2012 02:05 PM

dont do it....

Reerun_KC 09-04-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8877078)
I'm so sick of shitty qb's......

Its become a Chiefs fan obsession... Recycle rehash shit qbs in hopes of finding that diamond in the rough. CP is a cliche machine.

ModSocks 09-04-2012 02:08 PM

NO NO & **** NO.

NO.

NO.

TEX 09-04-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 8877067)
Bring him in. Cut Stanzi.

Do this for any of them listed above.

ModSocks 09-04-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 8877084)
Its become a Chiefs fan obsession... Recycle rehash shit qbs in hopes of finding that diamond in the rough. CP is a cliche machine.

This.

Not Cassel does not = Better than Cassel.

Hammock Parties 09-04-2012 02:08 PM

Literally no reason not to bring him in immediately.

We won't, because we have a doof in power.

Reerun_KC 09-04-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8877096)
This.

Not Cassel does not = Better than Cassel.

Agree.

We are stuck with what we have this year. Cassel is light years better than anyone else on the roster. We just have to "deal with it" until next year.

Black Bob 09-04-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8877096)
This.

Not Cassel does not = Better than Cassel.

I think it's more about Garrard being better than Stanzi and Quinn. I don't think people want him to challenge Cassel unless we suck early.

ModSocks 09-04-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8877097)
Literally no reason not to bring him in immediately.

Stop trolling.

htismaqe 09-04-2012 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8877080)
His last injury happened at home with no exterior cause i.e. slip and fall, etc. His body is giving out. He's toast.

This.

saphojunkie 09-04-2012 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct (Post 8877076)
Not sure about that, Gerrard wasn't with Miami last year, it's Philbin's offense he's been learning. That said, I don't care. He's a decent starter if he can get himself upright. At a minimum, he's light years better insurance than Stanzi/Quinn on the bench.

Yeah - you're right. He was out of the league last year.

Edited, thanks.

htismaqe 09-04-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8877103)
I think it's more about Garrard being better than Stanzi and Quinn. I don't think people want him to challenge Cassel unless we suck early.

Garrard isn't better than ANYBODY.

He's injured.

JFC people need to think...

Deberg_1990 09-04-2012 02:12 PM

@adamteicher

Pioli says Chiefs are set with roster. No interest in Garrard

ModSocks 09-04-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8877103)
I think it's more about Garrard being better than Stanzi and Quinn. I don't think people want him to challenge Cassel unless we suck early.

It's not about Stanzi though. Stazi is your development guy.

It'd be Garrard vs Quinn.....and Garrard was out of football last year, barely got a weeks worth of TC in this year, his body is falling apart AND would have to learn the offense.

On top of all that....he's not even that good.

Rather just keep Quinn.

ModSocks 09-04-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8877109)
Garrard isn't better than ANYBODY.

He's injured.

JFC people need to think...

THIS

vailpass 09-04-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8877110)
@adamteicher

Pioli says Chiefs are set with roster. No interest in Garrard

Can't see anyone picking him up now that he's broken and with other QB options sitting idle out there.
Too bad, watching him on Hard Knocks I got to liking him as a person, seems level headed and a decent guy.

I also got to liking Matt Moore and his constant shit-eating grin. True jock; good leader.

InChiefsHeaven 09-04-2012 02:15 PM

It's a sad state of our fanbase and QB situation when the release of a busted up old has been like Garrard gives one pause to think that he should come here.

vailpass 09-04-2012 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 8877121)
It's a sad state of our fanbase and QB situation when the release of a busted up old has been like Garrard gives one pause to think that he should come here.

You ever play fantasy football?

BoneKrusher 09-04-2012 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8877103)
I think it's more about Garrard being better than Stanzi and Quinn. I don't think people want him to challenge Cassel unless we suck early.

i do

TEX 09-04-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8877110)
@adamteicher

Pioli says Chiefs are set with roster. No interest in Garrard

Or any QB that would provide real competion to Cassel...

InChiefsHeaven 09-04-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8877125)
You ever play fantasy football?

No. But there is a reason they call it "Fantasy".

BoneKrusher 09-04-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 8877130)
Or any QB that would provide real competion to Cassel...

yep, Pioli only wants QB's that suck as bad as Cassel.

vailpass 09-04-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 8877132)
No. But there is a reason they call it "Fantasy".

My point is that a player can look like shit on someone else's team but as soon as there is a possibility you could have they suddenly look different and better. Sometimes. Even though the shouldn't.

tk13 09-04-2012 02:24 PM

I just enjoy the fact that people are clamoring for 3rd or 4th string guys off teams with shaky QB situations to begin with. I can't wait until we finally make the leap where Stanzi goes from the great hope that isn't getting a fair shake from Pioli, to the hated guy who Pioli refuses to cut because he was hand picked to be the backup QB.

Hammock Parties 09-04-2012 02:29 PM

Hey boys and girls! Guess what time it is?

That's right! It's time for another episode of Compare Matt Cassel To A Completely Average Quarterback And Watch Him Look Like Shit In Comparison!

Come on down, David Garrard!

Last 58 games: 63 percent completion percentage, 215 yards per game, 7.15 yards per attempt, 71 TD, 41 INT

How does Catt Massel stack up?

Last 55 games: 59 percent completion percentage, 208 yards per game, 6.62 yards per attempt, 74 TD, 43 INT.

Question: which one of these quarterbacks got a big honkin' contract and then told his fanbase to shut the **** up?

Not included: the 1,000 yards rushing and 11 TD Garrard added with his legs.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2012 02:30 PM

:facepalm: Ridiculous. Soooo sick of this shit.

vailpass 09-04-2012 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8877144)
Hey boys and girls! Guess what time it is?

That's right! It's time for another episode of Compare Matt Cassel To A Completely Average Quarterback And Watch Him Look Like Shit In Comparison!

Come on down, David Garrard!

Last 58 games: 63 percent completion percentage, 215 yards per game, 7.15 yards per attempt, 71 TD, 41 INT

How does Catt Massel stack up?

Last 55 games: 59 percent completion percentage, 208 yards per game, 6.62 yards per attempt, 74 TD, 43 INT.

Question: which one of these quarterbacks got a big honkin' contract and then told his fanbase to shut the **** up?

Which of these QBs is 34 and was recently injured and underwent surgery?

It certainly wasn't David Garrard's on-field performance that got him cut Tuesday from the Miami Dolphins.

The reason Miami let go of its best quarterback in spring practices and training camp was his lack of durability. It's that simple.

The Dolphins couldn't trust the 34-year-old quarterback to stay healthy. He missed all of 2011 with a back injury and tweaked his knee while playing with his children at home. That knee tweak required surgery.

If Garrard needed surgery playing while taking it easy at home, imagine him taking hits from 300-pound defensive linemen? That had to weigh into Miami's thinking.

As a result, the Dolphins chose Matt Moore as the backup to rookie quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Moore was not the better fit for Miami's offense. But Moore is younger and without injury concerns. Health matters in the NFL, and in this case, more than performance.

If health and age didn't catch up to Garrard, he probably would be Miami's starting quarterback Sunday against the Houston Texans. But age catches up to everyone in the NFL. Garrard was the latest victim.

Cutting Garrard also means Miami's probably will stop fielding offers for Moore. The veteran quarterback, who went 6-3 in his final nine starts last season, had some trade value. Perhaps the Dolphins could've gotten a wide receiver or a future draft pick for Moore.

But Tannehill, Moore and a developing Pat Devlin aren't a bad trio of quarterbacks to take into the season. This is one of the few areas of depth on Miami's 2012 roster.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post...-david-garrard

Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8877150)
Which of these QBs is 34 and was recently injured and underwent surgery?

All the kid wants to do is shit all over the board

King_Chief_Fan 09-04-2012 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8877139)
I just enjoy the fact that people are clamoring for 3rd or 4th string guys off teams with shaky QB situations to begin with. I can't wait until we finally make the leap where Stanzi goes from the great hope that isn't getting a fair shake from Pioli, to the hated guy who Pioli refuses to cut because he was hand picked to be the backup QB.

stanzi got a fair enough shake -- we saw the guy in action. He sucks

ModSocks 09-04-2012 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8877144)
Hey boys and girls! Guess what time it is?

That's right! It's time for another episode of Compare Matt Cassel To A Completely Average Quarterback And Watch Him Look Like Shit In Comparison!

Come on down, David Garrard!

Last 58 games: 63 percent completion percentage, 215 yards per game, 7.15 yards per attempt, 71 TD, 41 INT

How does Catt Massel stack up?

Last 55 games: 59 percent completion percentage, 208 yards per game, 6.62 yards per attempt, 74 TD, 43 INT.

Question: which one of these quarterbacks got a big honkin' contract and then told his fanbase to shut the **** up?

Not included: the 1,000 yards rushing and 11 TD Garrard added with his legs.

STFU already, no one gives a shit what you say. Your post doesn't even help your reeruned ass argument.

Bump 09-04-2012 02:39 PM

don't do it, didn't they cut him partly because he's injured and can't get healthy?

Hammock Parties 09-04-2012 02:39 PM

You do have to admit it's funny that there's a QB on the market who is statistically superior to our current starter, who pwned Cassel while playing with dogshit talent in Jacksonville, and we will make 0 effort to sign him. LMAO

Sign Garrard, make Quinn the 3rd QB.

What do you have to lose?

tk13 09-04-2012 02:39 PM

I actually think Garrard at his peak might have been better than Cassel. I don't know that GoChiefs argument helps that at all though... they look pretty similar actually when you look at it. Cassel at his peak might have actually been better.

Garrard's biggest claim to fame is he went toe to toe with the undefeated Patriots for one half in a playoff game. Otherwise there's really not much to write home about.

And really the biggest thing is how does he look now? I didn't watch any of his play in preseason. The guy hasn't played in two years, all those stats mean squat if the guy is a banged up shell of his old self.

htismaqe 09-04-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8877144)
Not included: the 1,000 yards rushing and 11 TD Garrard added with his legs.

Legs that can't pass a team physical.

But let's not let that little tidbit get in the way.

htismaqe 09-04-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8877169)
And really the biggest thing is how does he look now? I didn't watch any of his play in preseason. The guy hasn't played in two years, all those stats mean squat if the guy is a banged up shell of his old self.

He's hurt.

tk13 09-04-2012 02:42 PM

Maybe we should sign Daunte Culpepper? He has better stats than Matt Cassel too. Damon Huard is probably available.

In58men 09-04-2012 02:44 PM

Are we really this desperate?

stonedstooge 09-04-2012 02:45 PM

Scotty won't sign any vet players until after the first game. That way he can save his Precious's money and isn't required to pay a full year's contract.

Hammock Parties 09-04-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8877169)
The guy hasn't played in two years, all those stats mean squat if the guy is a banged up shell of his old self.

He didn't play last season, but he played in 2010.

Just like Manning.

I bet he's still better than Brady Quinn.

Baby Lee 09-04-2012 02:46 PM

Hell yes!!!

His 'injury requiring surgery' had him out all of 2-4 weeks, Flowers has already been out longer.

He participated in passing drills yesterday, but they kept him out of 7-7 live play as it was his first day back.

He was beating the **** out of Tannehill and Moore in TC before the injury. Tannehill and Moore duked it out impressively in the Miami's eyes, so they think they have a 1 and a 1a, as opposed to a 1 and a 2, in them.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2012 02:47 PM

Manning's a shell too. Arm is Huardesque.

HemiEd 09-04-2012 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 8877121)
It's a sad state of our fanbase and QB situation when the release of a busted up old has been like Garrard gives one pause to think that he should come here.

When was he?

Hammock Parties 09-04-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8877189)
Manning's a shell too. Arm is Huardesque.

And yet the Donks will sweep us.

tk13 09-04-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8877184)
He didn't play last season, but he played in 2010.

Just like Manning.

I bet he's still better than Brady Quinn.

Yeah Garrard = Manning. There's a great comparison.

And I'm the 1% of people who wasn't that excited about signing Manning. Although I think he can still be successful... he's not the same guy.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2012 02:49 PM

:LOL: Donks...sweep. You hope Knowmo Jr.

This might be the most over hyped team going into a season of all time. Why would anyone be that scared of Denver LMAO

BoneKrusher 09-04-2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 8877182)
Scotty won't sign any vet players until after the first game. That way he can save his Precious's money and isn't required to pay a full year's contract.

Pioli's tighter than a (HIM a Roid) with Clarks money.

ModSocks 09-04-2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8877195)
And yet the Donks will sweep us.

what do you have left to wager?

vailpass 09-04-2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8877200)
:LOL: Donks...sweep. You hope Knowmo Jr.

This might be the most over hyped team going into a season of all time.

It doesn't even seem close to me. Very few if any are picking them for the SB. many aren't picking them to win the West.

Micjones 09-04-2012 02:52 PM

Wasn't Garrard out of football last year?

Hammock Parties 09-04-2012 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8877207)
what do you have left to wager?

I'll leave the board for a month if we beat a Peyton Manning-led Broncos team.

If we're swept, you have to sport a signature of my choice for a month.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2012 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8877208)
It doesn't even seem close to me. Very few if any are picking them for the SB. many aren't picking them to win the West.

Yeah, many feel KC is the team to beat, but I think I'll side with the massive football minds of Clay/Knowmo ROFL I'd take Eggo anyday before I'd pick the Broncos. Better, younger QB with a better defense.

Hammock Parties 09-04-2012 02:55 PM

Garrard has also won a playoff game.

U mad, Cassel?

vailpass 09-04-2012 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8877216)
Yeah, many feel KC is the team to beat, but I think I'll side with the massive football minds of Clay/Knowmo ROFL I'd take Eggo anyday before I'd pick the Broncos. Better, younger QB with a better defense.

It's going to be an interesting season. Let's revisit this at the halfway mark.

Micjones 09-04-2012 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8877220)
Garrard has also won a playoff game.

U mad, Cassel?

4 years ago.
What does that have to do with whether or not he can play football today?

ModSocks 09-04-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8877214)
I'll leave the board for a month if we beat a Peyton Manning-led Broncos team.

If we're swept, you have to sport a signature of my choice for a month.

You leaving the board means nothing to me.

I'd rather have your sig. Or do you have a bet riding on that already?

vailpass 09-04-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 8877224)
4 years ago.
What does that have to do with whether or not he can play football today?

It has to do with not feeding a gremlin after midnight which lots of people here apparently don't know about.

Micjones 09-04-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8877228)
It has to do with not feeding a gremlin after midnight which lots of people here apparently don't know about.

Touche.
LMAOLMAOLMAO

tk13 09-04-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8877220)
Garrard has also won a playoff game.

U mad, Cassel?

In which he went 9-21 passing for 140 yards with 1 TD and 2 INT.

You have really just become a troll, haven't you?

Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2012 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8877223)
It's going to be an interesting season. Let's revisit this at the halfway mark.

I think all 3 teams are close and have fairly equal shots at the division. Oakland screams bottom feeder. Should be fun.

Baby Lee 09-04-2012 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 8877209)
Wasn't Garrard out of football last year?

Back injury, first major injury of career, IIRC.

Montana was out a shit ton of time before the Chiefs picked him up. And before people start, comparing the timeline for QBs recuperating is NOT THE SAME as comparing their skill set. Manning or Favre or Montana being HoF talents doesn't mean they bounce back from injuries better with age.

vailpass 09-04-2012 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8877232)
I think all 3 teams are close and have fairly equal shots at the division. Oakland screams bottom feeder. Should be fun.

Yeah there are a bunch of sub-plot stories for us to watch here in the West. Very interesting if you know what's going on.

Cornstock 09-04-2012 03:00 PM

Garrard at this point (being out of football, coming off injury, reputation for injury proneness) probably isn't any better than Quinn. To be fair, I'll say its a push, but Quinn is much younger. The biggest problem with him coming in now is that he doesn't know the playbook. If we had made a push for Moore I would feel a little better about it because he was in Daboll's offense last year. Skill-wise even if Garrard were equal with Quinn the learning curve would be too steep to be effective until halfway through the season. Same thing goes for Cassel. I'm assuming Cassel is marginally better than Quinn, so Garrard is fighting against that plus Cassel's familiarity with the playbook. He would have no chance to start here. At best he would beat out Quinn for the backup spot, but do we really want another retread 30+ year old QB in here again?

oldman 09-04-2012 03:08 PM

I'm out on Garrard. He's injuried, doesn't know the playbook, and he's 34. What's the upside? I know, it's ABC (Anybody But Cassel) here, but I just don't see any reason to consider bringing him in.

qabbaan 09-04-2012 03:09 PM

He's old, has back problems, he has attitude problems, and he was never very good anyway.

qabbaan 09-04-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8877230)
In which he went 9-21 passing for 140 yards with 1 TD and 2 INT.

You have really just become a troll, haven't you?

It seems his only goal is to be contrary to the prevailing opinion on any topic

Baby Lee 09-04-2012 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldman (Post 8877256)
I'm out on Garrard. He's injuried, doesn't know the playbook, and he's 34. What's the upside? I know, it's ABC (Anybody But Cassel) here, but I just don't see any reason to consider bringing him in.

I'm planting my flag, there will come a day, maybe not in the next month or so, but it's coming, where CP will be moaning 'WTF Pioli? We could've had this guy for next to NOTHING? Epic FAIL!!! Grumble rabble Smurfanal!!"

MahiMike 09-04-2012 04:52 PM

Pass. No one can seem to spell OR pronounce his name.

Ming the Merciless 09-04-2012 04:55 PM

We have a legitimate playoff run season here, should we not him in for evaluation?

put the hippie on the practice squad

Hammock Parties 09-04-2012 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8877230)
In which he went 9-21 passing for 140 yards with 1 TD and 2 INT.

You have really just become a troll, haven't you?

140 yards?

So he doubled Cassel's passing total in his playoff appearance? LMAO

Game, set, match.


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