He's also durable as hell.

I completely agree, get a 4-5 year deal done with this guy ASAP. He's a great athlete, has a nose for the football and the right attitude for a thankless job.

I love me some Belcher.

Oh same ole same ole. There will be 2 good QBs and then there is a huge dropoff and we will not be in a position to draft one of the top 2 so we are stuck drafting the 3rd or 4th best QB available. YeeHaw
Wash, Rinse, Repeat. We are going to have to trade up or have a horrible season. One that would make last season look good to get a top QB prospect.

Not that it'll be a problem for us but I'm going to just ask.

Why is Matt Barkley considered to be the #1 pick for next year? I get that he has a lot of experience and comes from a pro system but beyond that? I just don't see it.

It was either McShay or another scout who mentioned that Barkley is hard to evaluate because he's surrounded by such good talent at USC. I can see that. Furthermore, I don't think he has elite tools. Good size. Not great. I'd also say a very average NFL arm.

Watch this video. How many of these throws does he simply lob it up with a lot of air under the ball and allow his teammates to go make a play? That won't fly in the NFL.

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I've said it before but I am not a Barkley fan. I do think he is just a product of the talent around him. He frequently gets to just stand back there unmolested and then throw to a wide open Woods.

Maybe he will take the next step this year to start looking like a NFL QB. :shrug:

At some point you've got to roll the dice, warts and all.

As far as QB prospects:

1. Barkley - I agree with the last few posters. I see your typical USC QB who has had the benefit of the best training, etc., since they were 5 years old, playing on a talented team against a bunch of bad defenses. These guys are close to peak and aren't used to adversity.

2. Tyler Bray - I do not get the fascination with this kid. Injured both years. Destroys poor competition, but is below average against better teams. Maybe he'll pull it together this year.

3. Tyler Wilson - my personal favorite so far.

4. Keith Price - Only saw him against Baylor and I was impressed, albeit against a bad D. I think he'll come in shorter than listed which will cause the various Breese comparison/arguments.

5. Landry Jones - I remember watching his first few games thinking, this kid has a lot of potential. Sadly, he hasn't seemed to improve. Looks like he did early on.

6. Logan Thomas - Haven't seen him play, but his stats are wildly inconsistent. Compl % ranged from 40% to 92% last year. 5 games under 55% .

Good to see other Barkley haters on this thread.

Matt (like other reeruned USC QBs named Matt) didn't know when was the right time to leave college and enter the pros. It's possible that his draft stock tanks this year especially as other more talented QBs pass him up this year.

I realize that "tanks" is a strong word. I mean that Barkley drops out of the top 5 overall. I think that's a definite possibility.

Remember all of the "don't draft Tannehill because the QB class next year is better" arguments?

Uh huh. :rolleyes:

"Man, next year's class is going to be soooo good! There will be Andrew Luck... and Matt Barkley... and Landry Jones... and Nick Foles! We could potentially see four QBs go in the top 5! All of those guys are franchise studs!"

Assuming Bray and Murray stay in school for one more year, these are the QBs I'd be willing to take in the top 10 next year:

Matt Barkley
Tyler Wilson
Geno Smith

That's pretty much it. Price, Jones, and Thomas to me all scream "Nick Foles or Andrew Luck? I can't decide!"

Just like this year, the good guys will be out of reach and everyone else will have major question marks. Just like this year (and last and ...).

who is breese? you keep typing the name wrong, it's rather annoying. BREES. as in, drew BREES. just like it was ryan SIMS, not ryan SIMMS. ryan SIMS was not the son of phil SIMMS.

sorry for mini-rant, but... that's all I could take.

H5N5, what do you think of Ricky Stanzzi and Brady Quin's chances to unseat Cassell this year?

Unseat him? Zero.

Their only chance is if Matt gets injured and either one lights it up in his time in. Thankfully for them, Matt hasn't completed a full season yet as a Chief.

True. Although apart from last year and 2009, the circumstances for him missing games was very flukey. It can be fully expected that Mat would have started all 16 games for the Patriots in 2008 if Thom Braddy got injured before the season started. And appendicitis... well, we can rule that one out as a possible reason for getting sidelined this season. We should probably check if Mat Cassell has ever had chicken pox or his tonsils taken out, too.

Hopefully Rommeo re-thinks the QB situation if Cassell is just stinking things up. Look at other Patriot Way coaches- Parsells didn't exactly have any qualms about benching Bledso and putting in Rowmo. Or even in 1998 when he started Testiclede for the Jets. Rommeo even benched Brady Quin (a golden boy of the franchise at the time) in favor of Derrick Anderssen. We can only hope he'll do the same here in KC.

Fogghorn Legghorn. A real American hero.

Seriously....this year HAS to be the year that we get a ****ing QB.

Must already be on the roster then.

I say now, that boy is about as sharp as a bowling ball.

you're just the worst kind of person, snr.

The year the Chiefs draft a QB in the first round is the year that the 5th rounder goes on to win multiple SB's and winds up in the HOF.

OH NO, WHAT A HORRIBLE FATE TO HAVE!!!!!

I'm going to take a giant shit on your sister's face in victory when Stanzi proves all you haters wrong.

If you can guarantee that Stanzi will prove us all wrong (though I actually really like Stanzi), I will gladly let you take a giant shit on my sister's face.

See - teamwork. That's how shit gets done.

I don't think anyone can guarantee that. I can guarantee that Cassel will continue to suck.

That wasn't directed at Stanzi. That was directed at w/e QB gets drafted in the 5th round of the same draft where the Chiefs finally draft a QB in the 1st.

I'm still taking a shit on your sister's face.

Meh. She's only a half sister. It's all good.

I like both Wilson and Bray but my personal fav is Logan Thomas. I see a better version of Josh Freeman. Big powerful QB with a big arm and good athletic ability (more athletic than Freeman). He may not be quite the athlete Cam Newton is, but he has the size of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEeozb91wXM Virgina Tech vs. Virgina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEsoB...feature=relmfu Virgina Tech vs. Miami

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Thanks, much easier to view.

I'm a fan but I got to say I'm sure he's going to go in the top 10 picks and with any luck this year that's not where were going to be at.

Miami was Thomas' best game by far.

He had a 55% or less completion percentage in 5 or 6 games last year, with some really bad games against poor competition. He is very inconsistent and raw. He'd be better off staying another year.

No thoughts on Geno Smith Direckshun?

Get some!
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He may need to bulk up some but I think he'll be the top prospect.

Maybe in 2014, but if he comes out this year he isn't going to pass Barkley.

I do think he is a better prospect than Barkley though.

Why? Injured both years he played and played poorly against good teams.

Understandable views. Personally, I have a bias against USC QBs named Matt. I also think that the injury status of Bray is something that can be fixed with via weights + developing as a QB(getting the ball out quicker).

What I like about him is elite arm strength, command, pro-style offense, makes pretty good reads, and good footwork. Yes, he did play poorly for most of last year but he has some great flashes. Watch some tape; he is definitely better than Landry Jones, who somehow has a 1st round grade. I do think Tyler Wilson and Geno Smith are better prospects and would gladly take those two over Bray. This is a big year for him.

The reason I really like Wilson and Smith is because they elevated the level of their teammates. Without Wilson last year, Adams probably is a 5th round pick and Childs/Wright are probably UDFA who would be lucky to make a team, IMO.

Barkley has also had arguably the best talent around him at USC, whereas Bray has not, especially after the loss of recruits to Kiffin. Just food for thought.

Well the major reason Adams was picked so high is for his added value on PR...and Childs actually had a better year with Mallett and was a projected 1st-2nd round pick before his injury

I would love for Wilson to go to the Chiefs but i think unless he has a horrible year he wont be there when they pick

I think Childs bad year was reflective of his injury. I definitely think that Wilson is the 2nd QB off the board, unless Murray declares and has an outstanding season.

Total

I'm sorry, I still say there is zero chance the Jaguars come back and draft a QB in the first round again, unless Blaine Gabbert stops going to practice. The guy was a top 10 pick who struggled in his rookie season with zero talent around him. You think you cut your 10th overall pick after two years? Won't happen.

Anyone else think that the Jets and Chiefs will be in a staring competition to see who blinks first and gambles with another USC quarterback?

Highlight video. I like Bray's arm strength and accuracy on the deep balls. Looks like he stands and delivers in the pocket.

Physically, he reminds me of Rivers, minus the fruity side arm and the bitch-boy face.

He will be fun to watch this season, especially playing against future NFL caliber defenders.

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Bray is accurate with beer bottles and golf balls.

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-georgia...dalizing-cars/

yikes. Might be a red flag or two there for Bray?

All those losses have the boosters cutting his pay. :D

i want wilson. don't care if it takes an rg3 type haul. i will absolutely flip my crap if they don't take a qb in the 1st. i will flip my crap even more if they take landry jones. he's awful. i hate him. don't like barkley either.

Just to let you know, I'm pimping this guy with a passion for this next draft:

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This guy had defenders in his face all game long against one of the best defensive units in college last year and went for nearly 500 yards.

Geno Smith is an absolute stud with a wicked fast release, kick ass work ethic, good athlete, etc.

If he has another season like last year where he threw for approx. 4500 yards and 30 something touchdowns, he'll be first round material.

Definitely some good stuff in that game from Geno. I like Wilson more, but would be thrilled with either Murray or Smith. Would like those two over Bray. Haven't watched Logan Thomas enough to make any kind of assessment. However, I doubt that Murray or Bray come out this year.

Geno Smith has a lot of Sam Bradford to his game with, perhaps, a better arm.

He's put up stellar numbers the past two years:

2011:

Att/Comp: 346-526
Yards: 4385
Comp %: 65.8
YPP: 8.34
Long: 84
TDs: 31
Ints: 7
Rating: 152.6



2010:
Att/Comp: 241/372
Yards: 2763
Comp %: 64.8
YPP: 7.43
Long: 71
TDs: 24
Ints: 7
Rating: 144.7

He's supposedly a film junkie with a terrific work ethic.

Awesome. I like Geno quite a bit as a draft pick. I'll watch some film in a couple of weeks and post my thoughts. With a quality year + if Wilson is struggling w/out Petrino (unlikely to be a severe drop-off IMO, but possible), it is plausible he moves ahead of Wilson. Food for thought.

After week 1, I'd say:

Stock Same: Barkley, Smith, Wilson and Bray. (They all did well against inferior competition).

Stock Falling: Logan and Jones.

Week 3 analysis from gbnreport.com

The college football world got stood on its head over the weekend when Southern Cal was upset by Stanford 21-14. The expectations were that the Trojans were maybe the only team in the country capable of standing up to the eventual SEC champion in the BCS title game in January; however, USC’s road to Miami got a whole lot bumper with the loss. The loss to the Cardinal also may have had a major impact on the 2013 draft as Southern Cal QB Matt Barkley just didn’t look like a presumptive #1 pick overall. True, Barkley was under incredible pressure all night long from a swarming Stanford defense; however, there are whispers in the pro scouting community that Barkley, who never had a cannon of an arm to begin with, just hasn’t had the arm strength this season. As well, Barkley’s lack of athleticism and agility was also exposed by the Stanford pass rush. Bad as things were for Barkley, who completed just 20 of 41 passes against Stanford and had two passes picked off. In particular, Barkley has not been throwing the ball down the field and just isn’t getting g much zip on his passes underneath. In addition, even USC head coach Lane Kiffin commented after the game that Barkely just wasn‘t making very good decisions in the pocket. And while it still may be a little early to write off Barkley as a potential #1 pick at the upcoming draft, he’s no longer considered to be a lock to be the first player taken this coming April.

In fact, its possible that what was supposed to be the Year of the QB regarding the 2013 draft appears to be rapidly going south. In addition to Barkley’s woes, pro scouts are quietly worried about the long-term of health of Arkansas QB Tyler Wilson, who had been considered to be a possible rival for Barkley to be the first player taken this year. Wilson did not play in the Hogs’ loss to Alabama last weekend because of a concussion he suffered in the team’s loss to Louisiana-Monroe the previous week. Of concern to NFL teams is the fact that Wilson also missed time in 2011 because of an earlier head injury.

It has also been a tough start to the year for Virginia Tech junior QB Logan Thomas, who was seen as a dark horse candidate to be a very early pick this year. At least physically, Thomas reminds scouts of Cam Newton the #1 pick at the 2011 who went on to become the first QB to ever throw for over 4,000 yards in his rookie season. The 6-5, 245-pound Thomas certainly looks the part; he also has the same kind of athleticism as Newton and can throw the ball threw a brick wall. However, Thomas just hasn’t shown much in the way of elite touch so far this fall as he has completed just 54% of his pass attempts to date. That included a dismal 14 for 31 outing with three interceptions in last weekend’s shocking upset at Pittsburgh, which hadn’t been able to get out of its own way in two miserable losses to start its season.