Any rate in regards to Barkley, we're not that far off.

We both agree that we'd rather have him than any other non-QB, I would just classify his arm strength being in the Above-average class while you would say that it's probably in the average class. Big deal. :shrug:

No he isn't. Who considers Brees to be a strong-armed passer? He's considered potentially the most precise passer in the NFL, but certainly not a guy with a big arm.

Brees is considered what he always has been considered - an undersized passer that has to operate in a particular type of offense to maximize his potential. You're trying to conflate short and weak armed. Nobody ever said Brees had a weak arm, they simply said he didn't have a strong arm, he was short and he came from a spread system in the days that the spread was not considered at all acceptable.

And despite all that, he was still the first pick of the 2nd round. He was clearly a well thought of prospect. His arm was seen then as it is seen now.

Exactly.

I don't think his arm is weak enough to prevent him from succeeding, though I think he's going to have to be among the smartest, most accurate QBs in the league (because he doesn't have the mobility to make up for the average arm either).

Now Barkley's polished and intelligent, that could happen. But he's not a big guy, he's not a fast guy and he's not a guy with a big arm. Moreover, unlike Geno, I don't see much more projectability in his frame or mechanics - what we have in him now is likely all we'll get.

His margin for error is pretty damn slim and that's why I find him to be only a tolerable option and not an outstanding one.

I know its bleacher report but since you've already admitted its all subjective anyways eh..

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ng-qbs/page/30

It has his arm strength ahead of Joe Flacco and Big Ben. It has Matt Stafford at 7. It has Sam Bradford 4 spots ahead of Tony Romo and 5 spots ahead of Brady.

In other words - it's wrong. Bleacher report is full of people that are wrong.

There's no accounting for inaccurate statements. Brees' arm probably slots in around 13-15, truth be told.

Eric Stoner ‏@ECStoner

I been telling you guys this about Barkley for three years now. He is what he is. Same player he was in high school.



Eric Stoner ‏@ECStoner

His arm strength concerns are overblown, but he will always struggle to drive the ball and make good decisions when forced to move+reset.

Hence why I posted this weeks ago in the draft area.

Schefter said when you talk to people around the league they believe Matt Barkley will overwhelm them with his presence in the interview process. Which will lead to him being the first QB taken in 2013.

2011 he had 69 completion % 39 TD's, only 7 int's and over 3500 yards.

If that was 2012 that would probably earn him the #1 spot hands down.

Thoughts?

LMAO of course its wrong, you disagree with it.

Heres another random qb ranking list I found. Brees is ranked #3 overall with an A- in terms of arm strength.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/...s-quarterbacks

Then is arm concerns aren't overblown.

That's all most of us have been saying - not that he's Matt Cassel, but that he isn't going to be one of those guys that can make all the throws from different arm angles. He's a guy that needs a clean pocket to step and fire.

And yes, playing in KC, he's going to have to have an arm that can drive the ball through weather at times.

Once again, even if you take Stoner completely at face value there, Barkley's arm is not a strength if "he'll always struggle to drive the ball when forced to move+reset"

Would you like me to log onto bleacher report and create an article whereby I list Matt Barkley's arm strength behind Matt Cassels? Because it's Bleacher report...I can do that if necessary.

Ditto fannation.

Credible sources do not have Brees in the top 10. You'll learn more from actually paying attention to people on this board than you will cruising bleacher report, I promise you this.

I dont cruise bleacher report, HAHA. You simply asked who thought Brees had a strong arm and that was the first one I found. So there are SOME people that think that way.

(Oh and I agree with you that Flacco and Stafford are still better)

Its actually rather difficult finding any "credible" list ranking NFL QB arm strengths, which I guess probably says more about using arm strength as a valid ranking once a QB has established himself in the NFL in the first place.

Like I've said before. The "arm strength" comments about Barkley came up in his freshmen/sophomore year, and with college, these comments tend to stick with you through college. Even if they are no longer accurate. It's kind of bizarre. Especially with size. They will keep discussing how a player needs to put on more size because of his early college years, and then at the combine they will act super surprised that the player is taller and put on weight. As if it was magic.

I'm more surprised that Glennon is about 2" taller than they've been saying.

What are you talking about? He has been measured at 6'7" for as long as I could remember.