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crossbow 12-07-2012 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9187797)
the problem with that is Ratboy Pissitua and Dontari Poe are essentially taking on FOUR BLOCKERS in that .gif. Three oline and the blocking HB comes up to help. 4 on 2. So Tyson Jackson is left alone to BEAT ONE ****ING GUY 1 on 1 and he cant even do that.

Thats where you GOT TO make a play. if you are left 1 on 1 like that, you got to have some sort of push, pass rush, anything. That's the difference between a good and bad d-line right there.

Essentially other good teams have that, when Justin Smith gets doubled, Ray McDonald can usually beat his guy 1 on 1 on the other side, JJ Watt doubled, Antonio Smith gets a good 1 on 1 push, Haolit Ngata gets doubled either Arthur Jones or Pharnell McPhee have a 1 on 1 chance.... etc. Watch any other 34 d-line.

Soooo we should draft a D-lineman in the first round? Just kidding.

notorious 12-07-2012 08:56 PM

It's ****ing depressing to think that an entire cycle of draft picks is coming to and end and they did jack shit.

mcaj22 12-07-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9188382)
You have to be one of the most jaded twisted posters here as far as the Chiefs organization goes.

You realize that makes no sense right? Its $14MM whether you spend it on a TJ or somebody else.

Clark - "Hey guys I don't want to spend $14MM on any good players this off season so keep TJ around to keep us closer to the salary floor even though sucks balls".

Yea, OK a so called cheap owner likes to just flush $ down the drain. That makes sense.

Do you have any idea what kind of player you could get for a $14MM signing bonus and reasonable yearly salary? No they will pay TJ $14MM for 1 season to prevent that.

Secondly Pioli is going to be gone so no ties to Jackson anyway.

you do realize that teams have to spend 90 some percent of the cap next season right and Pioli clearly positioned the books and players, his players cap hits next season to do just that.

Jackson, Hali, Flowers, etc all take a nice bump in contract to reach that cap spending for 2013.

of course Jackson could be cut like Cassel, but the point remains Pioli positioned that 14 million hit so he doesnt have to do much spending other than his bargin bin FAs.

And before you even say anything about the owner spending 14 million on Jackson, Pioli sold Clark on spending 60 million on Matt Cassel, so dont tell me he cant sell Clark on using a 14 million hit on Jackson and him being a 3rd overall pick as reason to keep him around. Because he can, because its Fat Scott Ego Pioli.

RunKC 12-08-2012 12:12 AM

I wouldn't mind keeping Tyson Jackson next year and see how he does in a 1 gap only if he does a major restructuring deal.

He's got power and a little speed. Maybe a new system could do him good. If he stays for like 5 million and it doesn't work, then cut him.

Sorter 12-08-2012 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9189228)
I wouldn't mind keeping Tyson Jackson next year and see how he does in a 1 gap only if he does a major restructuring deal.

He's got power and a little speed. Maybe a new system could do him good. If he stays for like 5 million and it doesn't work, then cut him.

5M is way too much.

If you can't get him to sign for league min, you move on. IMO

Hammock Parties 12-08-2012 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9188370)
go **** yourself.


just remember what you have said here when you are pimping some slapdick that gets some coverage sacks.

You're a ****ing clown. ROFL

You don't agree with me. You think Tyson Jackson deserves credit for that sack. And you got caught with your pants down, and now you're backpedaling.

Hammock Parties 12-08-2012 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9189228)
I wouldn't mind keeping Tyson Jackson next year and see how he does in a 1 gap only if he does a major restructuring deal.

He's got power and a little speed. Maybe a new system could do him good. If he stays for like 5 million and it doesn't work, then cut him.

Do you watch Tyson Jackson play? His athletic ability is shit. He looks like he has concrete shoes on.

He needs to go somewhere and be a backup.

Sorter 12-08-2012 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9189247)
Do you watch Tyson Jackson play? His athletic ability is shit. He looks like he has concrete shoes on.

He needs to go somewhere and be a backup.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6...fhi2o1_500.gif

SAUTO 12-08-2012 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9189245)
You're a ****ing clown. ROFL

You don't agree with me. You think Tyson Jackson deserves credit for that sack. And you got caught with your pants down, and now you're backpedaling.

You're right. I don't agree with you.

He most definitely deserves credit for a sack that he made.

There was never a back pedal anywhere dipshit
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scho63 12-08-2012 08:12 AM

Amazing how a stiff top pick who has been a bust suddenly comes to life as he nears the end of a contract.

Hammock Parties 12-08-2012 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9189387)
You're right. I don't agree with you.

He most definitely deserves credit for a sack that he made.

There was never a back pedal anywhere dipshit
Posted via Mobile Device

I insinuated that it was a garbage sack. It IS. Any slapdick could have made it. He did nothing special on it.

Disagree?

Ace Gunner 12-08-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9189394)
I insinuated that it was a garbage sack. It IS. Any slapdick could have made it. He did nothing special on it.

Disagree?

you are so hosed
http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/...-Sack-Kids.jpg

chiefzilla1501 12-08-2012 09:32 AM

It's not that Tyson Jackson's a bad player. The problem is that extending his contract is a telltale sign that we're committing to 2-gap, because I don't see how he fits in to a 1-gap.

OnTheWarpath15 12-08-2012 09:43 AM

I find it hilarious that people are arguing about the 3rd overall pick's SECOND sack of the season.

I also find it hilarious that people take the time to defend the guy.

The 3rd overall pick is supposed to be an elite player - a difference maker in the mold of a Calvin Johnson, Von Miller, AJ Green or Andre Johnson.

Instead, people sit around and argue over whether his 2nd sack was due to effort or coverage.

The guy isn't even an average player. Period. He wouldn't be living up to his draft slot had he been picked at the end of the 1st round, where many of us thought be belonged.

Sadly, four years into the Pioli regime with 3 Top 11 picks, we've yet to land a true IMPACT player. Houston might turn into that guy. Might. That's as close as we've gotten, folks.

Pathetic.

FAX 12-08-2012 10:30 AM

We are a sad, sad group of pitiable fans, to be sure.

I, for one, am extremely proud of Tyson's second sack. God bless you, Tyson Jackson and your sack.

In other news, I just listened to Roleo's 12/7 presser. I was, frankly, astonished and amazed. Roleo actually sounded lucid.

I interpret this as an additional sign that the end is near.

FAX

bowener 12-08-2012 11:12 AM

In other news J.J. Watt is a ****ing God among boys.

BJ2K 12-08-2012 12:58 PM

Tyson is okay, but you expect more than "okay" from a top draft pick.

whoman69 12-08-2012 01:12 PM

Tyson Jackson is playing some monster football.

http://img.costumecraze.com/images/v...tume-large.jpg

CoMoChief 12-08-2012 01:13 PM

All you have to do is read the title of the article and know it's a bunch of crap.

I can count on 1 hand the # of good games played by Tyson Jackson

That's terrible for a #3 overall pick...no matter which way you look at it.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-08-2012 01:40 PM

"Force" WTF ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

NJChiefsFan 12-08-2012 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9189444)

Sadly, four years into the Pioli regime with 3 Top 11 picks, we've yet to land a true IMPACT player. Houston might turn into that guy. Might. That's as close as we've gotten, folks.

Pathetic.

I still think Berry is that when fully healthy. At least I hope that and the shit season has put him in a funk. Point is still true though. Jackson wasn't picked in the 4th round, he was 3rd overall. It's unreal that he was so desperate to prove he could find gems. Finding hidden gems with the 3rd overall pick is a good idea.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-08-2012 06:30 PM

Berry was the right choice. Fluke injury because of a POS cheapshot. Hopefully he returns to form next year.

chiefzilla1501 12-08-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9189444)
I find it hilarious that people are arguing about the 3rd overall pick's SECOND sack of the season.

I also find it hilarious that people take the time to defend the guy.

The 3rd overall pick is supposed to be an elite player - a difference maker in the mold of a Calvin Johnson, Von Miller, AJ Green or Andre Johnson.

Instead, people sit around and argue over whether his 2nd sack was due to effort or coverage.

The guy isn't even an average player. Period. He wouldn't be living up to his draft slot had he been picked at the end of the 1st round, where many of us thought be belonged.

Sadly, four years into the Pioli regime with 3 Top 11 picks, we've yet to land a true IMPACT player. Houston might turn into that guy. Might. That's as close as we've gotten, folks.

Pathetic.

By now it's safe to say that Houston is an impact player. This post is spot on. Pioli's done a pretty good job of bringing in good role players (largely by reaching and taking those "safe" players). But the fireable offense is not just lack of bringing in impact players, but not having the stones to even try.

mcaj22 12-08-2012 06:41 PM

ill tell you who the wrong choice was, Jon Baldwin that 11 snap playing steamy overrated turd waste of a first round pick

O.city 12-08-2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9190206)
ill tell you who the wrong choice was, Jon Baldwin that 11 snap playing steamy overrated turd waste of a first round pick

You forgot the lol

mcaj22 12-08-2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9190207)
You forgot the lol

-lol

BoneKrusher 12-08-2012 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9187677)
this is a joke, right?

hopefully.

Xanathol 12-08-2012 11:15 PM

Pretty sure TJ ****ed the OP's mom and girl at the same time - only explanation for the jealously. And gotta love the PFF stats - once PFF is brought up, you know the arguments already lost.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb...11kdo1_500.jpg

Hammock Parties 12-08-2012 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Xanathol (Post 9190697)
Pretty sure TJ ****ed the OP's mom and girl at the same time - only explanation for the jealously. And gotta love the PFF stats - once PFF is brought up, you know the arguments already lost.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb...11kdo1_500.jpg

What argument?

The only argument for TJ at this point is based on football ignorance.

If you actually watch him play on passing downs he's a big fat turd.

Same as he's always been.

BigRedChief 12-09-2012 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9189444)
I find it hilarious that people are arguing about the 3rd overall pick's SECOND sack of the season.

I also find it hilarious that people take the time to defend the guy.

The 3rd overall pick is supposed to be an elite player - a difference maker in the mold of a Calvin Johnson, Von Miller, AJ Green or Andre Johnson.

Instead, people sit around and argue over whether his 2nd sack was due to effort or coverage.

The guy isn't even an average player. Period. He wouldn't be living up to his draft slot had he been picked at the end of the 1st round, where many of us thought be belonged.

Sadly, four years into the Pioli regime with 3 Top 11 picks, we've yet to land a true IMPACT player. Houston might turn into that guy. Might. That's as close as we've gotten, folks.

Pathetic.

Pathetic indeed.:sulk:

BigRedChief 12-09-2012 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9190199)
Berry was the right choice. Fluke injury because of a POS cheapshot. Hopefully he returns to form next year.

Yep, Berry was a no brainer.

I really don't blame Pioli for drafting Dorsey. He was also the consensus pick at the time. Why didn't he develop? Is that on Pioli or Dorsey? Either way the bottom line is that the GM has to fall on that sword.

Now the Jackson pick is totally different. Most mock's had him at the bottom of the first round, at best. When you take a consensus bottom first rounder with the 3rd pick of the draft, you had better be right.

bevischief 12-09-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9190904)
Yep, Berry was a no brainer.

I really don't blame Pioli for drafting Dorsey. He was also the consensus pick at the time. Why didn't he develop? Is that on Pioli or Dorsey? Either way the bottom line is that the GM has to fall on that sword.

Now the Jackson pick is totally different. Most mock's had him at the bottom of the first round, at best. When you take a consensus bottom first rounder with the 3rd pick of the draft, you had better be right.

Dorsey was a Carl pick. As were most of play makers on this team.


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