Insiders: Andy and Mahomes upset/mad
 

Just heard Fescoe talking about someone close to Andy that told him Andy was extremely distraught by this loss and knows he personally screwed up. This isn't just another loss. This affected Andy deeply.

I think we might see some changes going forward, especially in attention to late game situations.

The other thing I heard this morning from my source is that Mahomes was angry after the game yesterday. So angry that he was almost on the verge of tears. Going forward you might see more fire from Mahomes in leading this team and getting on others when shit goes south. Like Marino/Aikman type leadership.

Cool story bro Andy has been this way his whole career.

Super Bowl run begins...NOW.

Good. I’m sick of this soft ass, finesse team. Cut some people, throw some shit, do something.

How much more "fire" does the team need from Patrick? He always seems to be oozing leadership.

Unfortunately he can't make Damien Williams hang onto the ball, or make the defense play big boy football.

I could see Mahomes starting to get frustrated with things and wanting to do even more.



There is no question this team cannot continue to make these same mistakes over and over. Things need to get tightened up quickly.

Known commodity.

Do you ever have anything of value to say? Are you a whiner in everyday life as well? You seem to just screech over and over, hopefully you live alone. If not, that person has my prayers.

So after 20 years of struggling with late game/clock management issues, THIS is finally going to be Andy’s turning point?

Mahomes is going to start screaming at Andy to go for it on 4th down.

I think we are about to see alpha dog Mahomes.

Same story different game. No thanks.

And that would have been the wrong decision if you are referring to the 4th and 6 play on the second to last drive.

Reid is a brilliant head coach. What he needs is leaders who Reid trusts to veto him when Reid does dumb things. A few times I've seen mahomes scream to the sideline that the offense is staying on the field. Hopefully this game is a turning point where Andy puts almost complete trust in mahomes to do that.

Reid is indeed a genius but the guys who helped check him are no longer here such as Brad Childress.

You could tell that Mahomes was demoralized from his body language and tone throughout the presser.

This. He can't change, or he would have long ago.

I'll believe it when he fires Toub.

I think Andy is what is he is and is incapable of changing. Hope Mahomes starts getting on these clowns though, it’s needed.

Toub's ST have been excellent in past years.

This is a player's issue on ST right now.

youthful enthusiasm vs. coach

which ever way it goes we need to see better results

Yup this is the one that's going to make Andy change....I'm sure he will.

Not the numerous debacles in the playoffs...but this one will....

Not sure how you fix the penalty problems and blown coverage in the secondary. Those will continue to be a problem. I hope they can fix the fumble problems. Find someone, anyone who can hang on to the ball. Heck, give it to Sherman.

He's never had a qb like mahomes who has elite situational awareness. McNabb was an effective qb but nowhere near the caliber of mahomes with this stuff. But yeah, I'd like to see toub step in and do this - much as toub has been disappointing he's best qualified to be in Reid's ear about game management.

:thumb: That was clear. It was obvious.

They were mad?

Well I would ****ing hope so.

Pat shouldn’t have to worry about getting on the defenses ass. That’s Andy’s failure as a head coach.

this team will change because of this game

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Andy wont change his ego won't let him. With a 3rd and 2 their D was tired to you run the ball I mean a blind man could have seen it. Andy believes he can fool folks with his schemes and he does often but in crunch time believe in your back and o line to get you 2 yards. They burn a timeout clock doesn't stop and if you only get a yard go for it on 4th end that shit right there.

Im sorry but in terms of situational football, Andy Reid is the biggest ****ing idiot in the game today.

You have 3rd n 2. ONE MOTHER ****ING FIRST DOWN WINS THE FOOTBALL GAME.

Does he scheme up two plays to get the two yards we need to win the game?

**** no.

He treats it like we are in the opening quarter, calls some stupid ****ing slow developing tight end screen that isnt even going to Kelce, but to a guy who arguably should not even be playing.

So he plays for a field goal to go up 8 and offer the Titans a shot to tie the game.

WHYYYYYYYYY????

First down wins the game.

I guaran-****ing-tee you that this thought NEVER entered his mind on that series.

The playcalls and play design scream otherwise.

It sucks, but with this defense, and now special teams screwing up, we will be in tight football games.

Games where you're supposed to be able to lean on a coach and trust him to know what the **** needs to happen to win that game.

I said it before in the terrible coach thread. We are non winning ANYTHING of substance until Andy learns situational football, or Mahomes is able to put 60 up on everyone to make the situations inconsequential.

Andy Reid is not ****ing capable of applying logic and reason to tight games, late in the 4th.

This is who he is. Period. Same bullshit at the presser, we will have the same results as every other year he has coached. No Title.

Final series against Houston. Abortion of playcalling, and punted with 5 minutes left knowing his defense couldn't stop a high school team.

Final series against Green Bay. 4th n 3 at midfield with again, 5 minutes left. Punt. Never saw the ball.

Final series against Titans. A slowass play to BELL of all ****ing people on 3rd n 2 instead of a couple of rushes to gain the 2 yards to WIN THE GAME.

Its simple shit that novice Madden players can grasp, yet somehow still eludes him after two plus decades.

How you have Pat go out there and put up 446 and 3 scores and still lose the ****ing game is incomprehensie to me.

Bob Fescoe lol. That hack doesn't have any inside sources. What a bold thing for him to say, Pat and Andy were made after this loss. I never could have guessed that.

Dude

Toub's reputation has been outstanding

that shouldnt have been a 4th and six. Andy called a pass play that rolled Pat out right with no options if it wasnt open. Pat slid down gave himself up instead of throwing it away out of bounds. You had essentially 2 plays to make 2 yards and we got fancy pants play calling.

Sliding was the right call. Not sure if you're suggesting he should have thrown it away.

LMAO Yeah, I heard the same song and dance after the Patriots playoff loss. Reid can blow it out his ass.

This is exactly correct!!!!! Andy is a ****tard who’ll never get out of his own way.

I would rather see Mahomes on the field with 4th and 6 than our defense.

He had no one to go to dont take the loss throw it out of bounds. It would be 4 and 2 you could still go for it or try to draw them off then kick the field goal and try to win with a 8 point lead on D.

has been

Clark Hunt needs to take some ownership of this as well. He made the decision to cut Kareem Hunt and trade Peters.

It's time to stop trying to make Soren Petro, KC Star and Keitzman happy. That's not how you win Super Bowls.

Brady, Wilson, Brees and Rodgers ice it all the time on 3 and 2 with a one route option. It didn't work. Before the play, like many on here, I was thinking let's ice like they do with the MVP instead of running it. It didn't work. However, if we would have ran it and got stuffed for a 2 yard loss and then had the blown FG communication, all the same folks would have been on here saying we should have thrown it like Brady and Rodgers on 3rd down... you know QB's that did that to us in the past.

Eh, I really don't have an issue preserving a field goal if the pass isn't there. I have more of an issue with the playcall. We shouldn't be relying on our D. But we werent asking them to win the game for us. We would he asking them to protect an 8 point tie.

He slid to make them burn their final timeout.

I love Andy, but every single time that we are on the goal line he wastes a play by trying to run some cute bullshit play. Instead of just going out on 1st and goal from the 3 and running it right up the gut or trying a PA pass, Andy has to try a stupid reverse or some stupid screen that never works. Its just something he cant stop himself from doing, because he hears how great of an offensive mind he has and he thinks he's smarter than everyone else. Hes too damn stubborn to change his ways. Thats what happened yesterday with that stupid ass TE screen. The Titans knew we werent running it and knew Andy was going to try to catch them off guard with that stupid ****ing play.

Both right decisions...

So after 20 years of not adjusting, THIS is the loss that finally wakes him up?

Sorry, I’d love to believe it, but common sense says we’re just going to see more of the same old shit.

Exactly right. For all his creativity on offense, Andy Reid refuses to buck the conventional wisdom but flawed decision rules to mindlessly punt and kick FGs, despite the fact that the offense is the strength of the team. Vermeil 2.0.

I was at the game and didn’t get a good look at a few things. Why did Andy call a timeout on the 2 pt try by the titans? Also what happened on the first botched field goal did colquitt just fall or was there something with the snap?

Colquitt wasn't even looking when the snap came. Something went horribly wrong.

Aww. Learn to hold onto the ****ing ball, and you won't have to put on a bullshit show of how sad you are. Youre a ****ing halfback. Holding onti the ball is you main ****ing priority.

Hope he gets to watch his fumble 6 on loop for about 12 hours while running his god damn guts out on a treadmill.

Also, why do we only hear about offensive personnel being the ones who are upset?

“Mahomes is angry”

“Damian Williams is shocked at his locker”

“Andy is distraught”

Where the **** are the reports that the defense is fed up with this shit? Or that Spagnuolo lit into some asses and is going to bring some new fire going forward?

We never hear any of that shit because the defense is full of a bunch of whiny pussies who at best don’t hold themselves accountable and at worst, simply don’t care.

I am so done with having soft, pathetic defenses. I hate those mother****ers so ****ing much.

Colquitt wasn't ready for the snap. Winchester just snapped it and when it surprised him, Colquitt apparently thought the best thing to do was throw it away. Christ I thought it was a fake.

And no idea on the timeout before the Titans 2 point attempt. It was a huge play no doubt, but with 23 seconds the timeouts were precious for the offense.

Andy Reid = Schottenheimer 2.0

Maybe Mahomes is realizing the NFL is entertainment.

Sorry guys I know it gets old and you think the topic is incredulous but if you would step back and read these threads and comments season after season maybe you'd see why some are starting to compare the NFL to the WWE.

“Insiders” - LOL

Andy’s leopard spots are still on him. Who cares who is supposedly mad? Nothing will change. These coaches will still cost this team wins. Clark Hunt is the only person who ultimately can change things, and we all know he won’t.

I'm sorry, but I call bullshit on Bob Fescoe really knowing anyone high up in the organization that gives him info. Every time he says, "My sources tell me..." it's always just stupid bullshit that you can safely assume. It's never concrete or solid, it's ALWAYS stuff that anyone could safely assume and so he sounds more important than he is and when his safe assumptions come true he gets to say I told you so on the backend. He's a ****ing palmreader when it comes to Chiefs "Insider" information and anytime he starts saying that shit I turn the channel to 810 and would rather listen to commercials from Bob Hamilton.

Really? Making them go 80 yards without a TO would've been wrong?

Maybe the wrong decision was Andy's butt****ing screen to a backup TE on 3rd and 2.

You get Sherman in there in 21 personnel and run the ball on 3rd and 2. If you don't get it, then you pass. Something to Kelce, Hill, or Damian Williams. Something that gives Mahomes more than one read.

**** Andy Reid. He SHOULD be mad at himself. He's a ****ing buffoon for blowing this game. Full Reidtard.

I'm not convinced anything changes...but we'll see. I'll watch. And hope Mahomes can overcome Reid's tendency to shit his pants as the clock winds down.

I got to do a better job coaching /Andy Reid presser after every loss.

Not by a mile. Reid has been to a super bowl. And he was a coin toss away from getting to the super bowl last year. The reality is that only 3 teams not named the Patriots have made the super bowl from the afc the past 8 years.

Yeah ...but maybe he can audible out of a stupid play at 3rd and 2 and save Andy from himself..

Mahomes has already proven that he can’t do it by himself multiple times over his career.

We always thought that having a generational quarterback would be enough to mask Andy’s flaws.....and it still isn’t.

We aren’t ever going to win with Andy and I think Pat is gonna start to realize that very shortly.

Andy was more distraught from this game than all his playoff losses???? Not buying it.

Weee-eeee are never-ever-ever gonna win with Andyyyy

Exactly this why do we even pay sausage Andy wont use him.

coach is allowed to have a down year

he knows someone

a few months ago before reek got off scott free someone told him there was "a mountain of evidence" supporting tyreek hill

Ok thanks from our angle it looked like he just fell down

This.

You got 2 words right.

Has been.

That’s Andy’s clock management I guess..I thought maybe there was 12 on the field or something else was horribly wrong to use a timeout there. I had just told my wife we are ok we have Mahomes and 3 timeouts then here comes a timeout leaving us with 2 and like 24 seconds left

If we are not Champs after 2020 then Andy and Veach should fired. It's that simple. They have a super stud QB and years with him. No excuse not to win it all.

I wish Andy believed in Mahomes as much as Tomlin believes in Mason Rudolph. Up 14-12 with 5 mins left it was 4th and 3 at their 25 yard line!! Their 25 yard line!! They don’t make it game is over. Rams can kick a fg and win it. But they go for it with Mason Rudolph and they convert it. Reason why Tomlin has won a ring and Andy hasnt

Because Reid loves making baffling decisions that make no sense.

Tenn should never have seen the ball again. Not running it on 3rd and 2 to seal the game was the dumbest shit and a total andy reid moment

Some would say that giving the ball to your best playmaker, Mahomes, is better than giving it to your scrub running back and your terrible run-blocking OL.

However, Mahomes might have tried for the first down if he wasn't recently injured, so maybe giving it to the RB would be the best choice.

And if you don't make the 3rd and 2, and now it's 4th and 1, go again. Time to put the fate of this team on the offense instead of the defense.

In Mahomes last 13 starts he is barely above .500. He is 7-6.

Upset? Hell, we drove 8 1/2 hours to the game and literally had a front row seat to witness Reid shit the bed in person. Reid is just a morbidly obese, slightly more successful version of Schottenheimer. He will never take this team to a Super Bowl.

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Also the same time that he was on the cover of SI.