Yeah, but this 5th from Denver is going to be too valuable to Belichick, since it'll probably be in the top three in the round. :D He'll swing a deal with the SB loser for their 5th to send to the Raiders instead.

Wow, your a ****ing tool. All rookie defensive linemen are non-factors? That's complete bullshit.

Denver's defensive line consists of nose tackle ronald fields (who has started all of 9 games in his career), DE Ryan McBean (a late round draft pick who let go by a 3-4 team), and DE Kenny Peterson who simply isn't very good.

It's not like we have a whole lot more experience but we sure as hell have alot more talent with two 1st round picks, a couple of 3rd round picks, and veterans like Alphonso Boone and Ron Edwards who are average at best yet still better than any scrub on your roster.

Any chump who claims Denver's defensive line is better than Kansas City's has a screw or two lose. But considering the source, that could have been said before you posted this bullcrap.

That's my impression of him as well. KnowMo seems to think more of him though.

Richard Seymour was starting by mid-way through his rookie season, and made a serious impact on our SB run.

Both of you need to stop. At this point it's like watching two 9 year old girls have a slap fight over who is tougher. The only real answer is "neither." :D :p

I agree, however, that the Chiefs have more potential. More than likely, though, both KC and Denver will be in the bottom 10 in run defense this year.

IIRC, LeKevin got some starts last year when Seymour was out.

But yeah, if he's your full time starter, you're not exactly happy about it. There's a world of difference between "good" and "doesn't suck". He's in the doesn't suck category, really.

Mario Williams, Glenn Dorsey, Albert Haynesworth, Chris Long, Sedrick Ellis, Lawrence Jackson, Kentwan Balmer, Haolit Ngata, Gaines Adams, Jamaal Anderson, Amobi Okoye, Adam Carikker, Justin Harrell, Jarvis Moss, Anthony Spencer, Kamerion Wimbley, Brodrick Bunkley, Tamba Hali, John McGargo, Mathias Kiwanuka, Travis Johnson, Erasmus James, Marcus Spears, Mike Patterson

Were all non factors their rookie years. Defensive lineman take longer to develop than any position other than QB.

Hali had 58 tackles and 8 sacks as a rookie


there are others in your list that disprove your obviously stupid claim....but you really aren't worth the effort....

That proved to be a fluke though. Jared Allen was the reason for that.

At this point I don't think I'd say Ron Edwards is better than anyone he's pretty much the epitome of scrub the rest of the point is fine though.

I'm sure someone around here likes Smith since he played college ball at Nebraska.

oh, when you're proven wrong you move the goal post....shocker

He didn't get to play much with the Pats. But he was pretty damn good with the Huskers. Which kills me since he's now a Bronco.:Lin:

Nah. WR. WR is about the worst there is. Sure, you can point to an odd Terry Glenn or whatever, but usually WRs, whether destined to be great or mediocre, don't do much worth talking about their rookie years.

You listed a whole bunch of guys who aren't likely to be great NFL players in their 5th year, much less their first.

I can probably name more DLinemen that were impressive in their rookie years than WR, especially if they are pass rushers.

Dwight Freeney, Terrell Suggs, Vince Wilfork (also started late in his rookie year, though he was really sharing time with Tractor Traylor), Richard Seymour, Bruce Smith.

But anyway -- see above for the 9 year old girls slapfight. I'm a Patriots fan and from here, your two teams' defensive lines aren't exactly impressing the hell outta me. :D

You pointed out one name out of the 20 or so I listed. I will give you Tamba if you really want.

Everyone here knows that defensive lineman take a while to develop. I'm not saying that Tyson Jackson will not be a good player someday, but odds are that he won't be good right out of the gate.

WR/QB/DT is the toughest, LB and RB the easiest.

I'd probably put the rest pretty close together.