1 gap 3-4; how do you think it will shake out?
 

I think the 1 gap 3-4 will be very interesting for the Chiefs given their natural physical talents. It really plays to the strengths of our front 7 once we get another ILB. We have a lot of speed and brute strength that, in my opinion, was wasted under the 2 gap 3-4.

Who do you see being our starters at each position on the front seven next year?

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I think Houston is asked to drop a lot. Im hoping he is up to the challenge. He will get to pin his ears back in the nickle though.

Im intrigued to see how he and Poe are used. Poe could stay at NT but possibly be moved to an end position too..

It would be interesting to see Poe moved to DE and Powe brought in as the nose. They would both be pretty disruptive. In an attacking D, the two of them could eat up 4 blockers.

From what i saw from Powe in preseason, he did a great job of penetrating. I think hes a great potential NT in a one gap scheme. He likely didn't play much for us this year because of that tendency to penetrate lol...

Welcome Star Lotulelei.

Outside of QB he is now the only other player that makes sense assuming Albert is healthy and resigned. Poe is better as a 3-4 end IMO.

I think Bailey, with his speed, could have a bigger impact in this scheme.

amazing we still basically have a pile of shit on our DL after all those picks

Powe says "**** you"

For sheer speed/strength/penetration ability, I could see the front seven looking something like this:

Bailey, Powe, Poe
Houston, New ILB (Ogletree?), Johnson, Hali

That is a nightmarish front seven in an attacking D if you ask me.

Maybe 1 gaping would help, but he was getting his ass blown off the ball at the end of the season. I like him as well from the draft and preseason, but he sucked like everyone else on the line. Powe is going to go down with Rich Scanlon, Richard Smith, and Boomer Grigsby as legends that never were.

And put Pito at the other end. I think that would be fun to watch. I've always thought Poe could very similiar to Ngata when he's at the DE. Think Hali would be happy to have a 346 pounder next to him that is going to command some of the attention that would normally come his way?

Bailey and Powe suck. I'm on board with the backers though.

Forgot about Pitoitua, yeah, sticking him in there would create quite a bit of havoc; he was one of the few DLs on the team consistently getting good penetration this year.

This may give some a rapid punch of nausea, but I can see a Lotulelei selection happening in the draft.

ya, agreed. therein lies the problem for 1 gap success in KC, is there aren't but a few players with the quickness needed to succeed in 1 gap.

They could get started and add guys though.

I still think Poe needs to entrench himself into the NT spot. I am firm believer that a great NT will improve the entire D and Poe has the potential to be GREAT. I know he has skills that can translate well to other spots on the line, but that doesn't mean that they are wasted at the nose. Still having a hard time believing that I may be in the minority on this one. I think it's much more vital to have a great NT than a great 5 tech any day of the week. My dream for Poe is that he becomes a dominant NT. Would have no problem with him playing other spots that fit his talents in sub packages.

Yes. When Poe chooses a lane, he gets upfield well enough to the QB. Just his first year, he'll get better as he goes. And I agree -- Poe is going to be the linchpin in a 1 gap scheme.

Poe is the only lineman they should keep. And just rebuild the rest with new guys

Powe and Bailey are terrible

this place loves giving 3rd string crap players the benefit of the doubt. It's hilarious.

When these turds start getting cut by Andy Reid and replaced by his own guys, I wonder what the excuses will be then

I am so relieved we are moving to the 1-gap 3-4. I am trying to explain to my friends why this is a significant change over romeo's system, but I'm at work. Anybody have a link to a good breakdown between the systems?

or just a cut and paste?

Line them up and let them ****ing play...

Wait, link to thread please.

Did we finally hire a DC?

I guess I missed something but when was it decided we will be a 1 gap 3-4?

If we draft another ****ing DT with our first pick, baby seals will be clubbed.

I thought we had hired Bob Sutton?

Meh. QBs are so overated anyway. There are no surefire QB prospects in this years draft and lord knows we can't take a chance on the best one in the draft for fear of failure. Remember what happened the last time we drafted QB in the first? Yeah, that didn't work out so well did it? Defenses win championships

Based on?...

We're gonna have to keep a couple guy short-term because we have picks that need to be spent on offense.

Long-term, I agree.

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Need a few new DE's who are aggressive rushing the passer and strong. Jackson might be a decent depth guy, but he's gonna have to drastically improve if he's to start.


A guy like Margus Hunt in the third would be great.

nightmarish if bailey shows up as well as powe

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If he's a great DE ala Watt in the 1-gap, then it doesn't matter. Poe just needs to be great, period.

Yes, of course I do.

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****ing idiot...

I don't think Dorsey will be back. Jackson might stay as one of the DEs but he could also be cut with a player taken in the draft, perhaps a 3rd round pick after we get a QB and CB

Keep dreaming if you think he will last until the third. After the combine, he will be in the first round.

Margus Hunt will likely skyrocket up draft boards; I think he'll show exceptionally well at the combine.

With the Strongside backer having more coverage responsibility, I would still be interested in trying out Hali as a 5-tech with Houston sliding over to the weak side. I don't know that he's big enough to pull it off, but I'd sure be interested in seeing him try. He's become an expert at shooting gaps (and getting held), so I think he could make a huge splash knifing through gaps into the backfield.

I really would hate to waste Houston's first step in a coverage role.

Try this out, it's a helpful site:

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You ****ing just let us dream, alright? LMAO

What? Seriously?

Upon further review, it doesn't seem as crazy as I first thought as long as it's not on an every down basis.

Fair enough.

Hali played significant snaps at DT at Penn State.

In a 1-gap, why not?

Watt just destroyed the world in that role. Now Hali's not the class of Watt, but he could be very good.

Hali's developed an array of power moves and has very active hands. His speed is diminishing but his power is improving. Of the 2 players, Houston is going to be the better Weak side LBer over the next 5 years.

So you could either waste Houston's talents by having him drop into coverage a lot as the Sam, you could flip Houston and Hali (in which case Hali would be a complete disaster in coverage) or you could try something that could maximize both of their skill-sets.

I do think that at this point in Hali's career, the Chiefs would be better off with him as a 1-gap DE and Houston playing the Will than they would leaving Hali at the Will and forcing Houston into the coverage role as a Sam in a 1-gap.

Doesn't have the size for a DT at this level, but those same 'phonebooth' skills that he'd have developed with his DT snaps would be put to very good use in a 1-gap system.

It won't help Hali's numbers, no question. But I do think it will help the team. It may take him a few games to adjust (ala Freeney), but I think he'd be very good there.

Either way we're gonna have to get more pass rush from the dl. I think Poe is a good fit in the 1 gap, with his physicality and ability.

Is there any way Bailey could play DE full time in the 1 gap?

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

I don't think there is any way Bailey can play full time anywhere at this point.

He is just sooooo sloooooooow off the line. You could use him as a situational interior lineman in your nickle packages, but that's about it.

He's as bad as anyone I've ever seen at getting off the ball. That's what keeps Poe from being great as well, but he's still a hell of a lot better at it than Bailey is.

Hell...make him a backup Will. Then maybe he could get up to speed before contact.

He's so slow out of his stance that his speed never becomes a factor. Lineman engage him and wash him out before he can get moving.

I, like DJ, just don't know if the guy has the speed.


These guys have been told for four years about being slow anchors.

make Bailey a backup LBer?

is that what you just said? lol.

Thinking mcaj22's new name should be lol. Dude gets alot of laughs around here.

It was hyperbole.

My point being that his straight line speed isn't usable. He can't get off the ball and into space at all to put it to any practical football effect.

He's a freakish athlete with a glaring hole that prevents him from being a good football player.

well when people say turn a DT into a back up Will LBer. What else is there to do but laugh

you can have all the strength and speed in the world, and still suck

see: Vernon Gholston, Aaron Maybin, etc.

From what I can tell, though, Rex Ryan's system isn't a 1-gap. It is the hybrid 46 that still has the NT playing a zero technique.

Am I way off base, here?

Margus Hunt, Shariff Floyd, or Sylvester Williams would be great picks if they were to somehow get to the 3 round.

Sutton wasn't the defensive coordinator under Ryan. He was the DC under Mangini.

Of course, he was also on Herm's staff.

Yeah, that was pretty much my point.

Hali is BEST at OLB, but he CAN play just about anywhere.

What would you guys think about signing Dic Seymour to a deal if he's released?

Be prepared for a year of shit defense.

These guys have been playing conservatively for four years in that shit 2 gap.

I wouldn't be surprised if we're one of the worst rushing defenses next year.

But then he would be running the Bill Parcells 2-gap defense.

:shrug:

We're just gonna have to see what these guys can do in a different scheme, I unlike others are not ready to give up on some of the more talented guys on the roster, like bailey, based on the cluster**** that was going on last season with what seems like zero direction.

I would almost expect the opposite. They have been caged so long that if you let them run free they are going to terrorize shit

Well, if you said it, it's definitely not happening.

Bailey has no quickness, get off or pass rush moves.

He's probably gonna be cut.

I think Clay's right in regards to the run defense.

They're probably going to sell-out pretty hard to attack those gaps and they'll end up abandoning run-fits. Worse still, the LBs are now going to have a hell of a lot more responsibility in that regard and they're not likely going to catch onto it quickly.

It does seem like we'll be a little soft against the run.

Anything better than that passive 2 gapping bullshit.

We'll see. That last defense that playe da 1-gap here was pretty good at stuffing the run and getting to the QB. But having said that every defense will have their strengths and weaknesses.

This is a great point. What happened years ago will HAPPEN AGAIN. IT IS WRITTEN.

He's not saying the 1-gap will fail.

He's saying it will struggle as these guys re-program themselves.

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He's small/short for the position if anything. Had poor hand technique, yadayada.

And Poe is plenty quick off the ball -- he was playing 2 gap techniques as well, so he did not look real good this year, but slow off the ball he was not.

Dorsey is slow, but quick off the ball. so what. he's got nothing for the NFL. But at least he was given 5 ****ing seasons to improve.

Poe needs time, he's lacking technique -- that was his MO coming up. Had nothing to do with his ability to get off the ball.


You know what, you're an asshole for even tossing these guys out after 1 & 2 seasons. You know damn well DL players require 3 or more seasons to develop.

Shit, I like the 1 gap in that it's not all about technique like the 2 gap, which takes for ****ing ever to learn and perfect. That there is enough for me.

Actually, he didn't.

Most of his snaps came in sub packages as a pass rusher.

And he was ****ing horrible.

He's a guy who's built like a tank with some straight line speed (4.75ish if I recall). That's it.

He's probably not even an NFL player. Should get into pro wrestling.

Star Lotulelei?!?!

Yes let's draft another DL who can't get much pressure on the QB, and at 1st overall no less!!!!!

JFC

I'm probably one of the biggest Bailey homers here and fully admit it is time to move on IMO.

I really thought that having Poe and Houston next to him in sub pckgs (whilst playing the 3 tech) would free him and enable him to do some great stuff. He didn't and extremely regressed this year. If you want to keep him on the roster as depth or even hope that he turns into an average player, fine. He was horrible this year after several decent flashes last year against Pitt, NE, and GB.

He needs to be upgraded.

I also believe it will take some time, maybe a half season to get acclimated, but if is an attacking style, that in itself could boost the production of our defense with the type of players we have, and then it of course could become more balanced and efficient as they get more adjusted.