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ShowtimeSBMVP 11-09-2012 12:05 PM

Lakers have fired Mike Brown
 
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12:58PM EST November 9. 2012 - Mike Brown has been fired by the Los Angeles Lakers, according to his agent Warren Legarie.

The Lakers are off to a 1-4 start and will play Golden State tonight at the Staples Center.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...Top+Stories%29

ptlyon 11-09-2012 12:05 PM

Outstanding!

dirk digler 11-09-2012 12:06 PM

Kobe got his wish

Buck 11-09-2012 12:07 PM

Holy shit, I was listening to the radio this morning on the way to the gym and they were saying that there was speculation if he didn't do well on this next homestand he would be fired, but they didn't say anything about today.

They did say they are going hard after Jerry Sloan.

DaKCMan AP 11-09-2012 12:07 PM

lolz

ottawa_chiefs_fan 11-09-2012 12:08 PM

welcome back, phil!

Sorter 11-09-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9101222)
Holy shit, I was listening to the radio this morning on the way to the gym and they were saying that there was speculation if he didn't do well on this next homestand he would be fired, but they didn't say anything about today.

They did say they are going hard after Jerry Sloan.

Lakers don't have a mailman.

kcxiv 11-09-2012 12:11 PM

Thank goodness! Lakers front office dont **** around.

RealSNR 11-09-2012 12:11 PM

Mike Brown was the one thing standing in the way of the Lakers achieving a dominant season.

His firing happened quite early in the year. I think the Lakers now have a shot at the 1 seed in spite of their slow start.

bevischief 11-09-2012 12:14 PM

Come on Clark fire Peeholi.

kcxiv 11-09-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9101226)
Lakers don't have a mailman.

They dont need a mailman. He's a good coach with an older team that will ****ing listen. Its not like he's coming in to coach 21 year olds.

kcxiv 11-09-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9101239)
Come on Clark fire Peeholi.

Difference between a good organization and a bad one. When they see something bad and a wrong fit they fix it immediatly or at least attempt too.

L.A. Chieffan 11-09-2012 12:17 PM

I flew a banner over Staples, I guess it worked.

DaKCMan AP 11-09-2012 12:17 PM

Adrian Wonarowski @WojYahooNBA
As Lakers ownership has been considering firing of Brown, Mike D'Antoni has been a prominent name discussed as replacement, sources tell Y!



LMAO ROFL :LOL:

L.A. Chieffan 11-09-2012 12:20 PM

D'Antoni?

vailpass 11-09-2012 12:21 PM

Did that make the Lakers players younger?

dirk digler 11-09-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9101248)
Adrian Wonarowski @WojYahooNBA
As Lakers ownership has been considering firing of Brown, Mike D'Antoni has been a prominent name discussed as replacement, sources tell Y!



LMAO ROFL :LOL:

too funny

L.A. Chieffan 11-09-2012 12:22 PM

Obviously he has a great relationship with Nash but pass.

Deberg_1990 11-09-2012 12:24 PM

Nice.....maybe he can come back to work for the Spurs under Pop again.

Sorter 11-09-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9101240)
They dont need a mailman. He's a good coach with an older team that will ****ing listen. Its not like he's coming in to coach 21 year olds.

EVERY GODDAMN SLOAN TEAM NEEDS A MILKMAN!!!!!!!!



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KC native 11-09-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9101231)
Mike Brown was the one thing standing in the way of the Lakers achieving a dominant season.

His firing happened quite early in the year. I think the Lakers now have a shot at the 1 seed in spite of their slow start.

ROFL a shot? Only if the Spurs and Thunder die in plane crashes.

Buck 11-09-2012 12:27 PM

Uh...Nash might like that, but **** D'Antoni.

If they can't get Sloan, I say try to hire away Shaw from the Pacers.

KC native 11-09-2012 12:30 PM

I really hope you guys hire D'antoni. Would love for the Spurs to keep dominating him on a reguular basis.

DaKCMan AP 11-09-2012 12:31 PM

Bill Simmons @sportsguy33
"I can't believe the Mike Brown era didn't work out." --Nobody

Stanley Nickels 11-09-2012 12:39 PM

Remember the questionable argument that I made in another thread, RE: Pioli and Haley? Yeah, this is the unquestionable example. You're gonna bring in Brown's PRINCETON SNOREFEST OFFENSE to a team with the most athletic big man, one of the most agile and penetrating point guards (Nash), and KOBE? REALLY!? He should've never been hired to begin with.

Stanley Nickels 11-09-2012 12:39 PM

QUIN SNYDER FOR LAKERS COACH!!1

saphojunkie 11-09-2012 12:40 PM

Calipari.

Hammock Parties 11-09-2012 12:41 PM

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L.A. Chieffan 11-09-2012 12:41 PM

Honestly the Princeton wasnt the problem.

Mike Brown is supposed to be a defensive genius and hes got one of the best defenders in the game. This team was giving up 100 points to BS teams and looked like shit.

kcxiv 11-09-2012 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels (Post 9101308)
Remember the questionable argument that I made in another thread, RE: Pioli and Haley? Yeah, this is the unquestionable example. You're gonna bring in Brown's PRINCETON SNOREFEST OFFENSE to a team with the most athletic big man, one of the most agile and penetrating point guards (Nash), and KOBE? REALLY!? He should've never been hired to begin with.

I think everyone knew that but Mike Brown.

Sorter 11-09-2012 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9101314)
Honestly the Princeton wasnt the problem.

Mike Brown is supposed to be a defensive genius and hes got one of the best defenders in the game. This team was giving up 100 points to BS teams and looked like shit.

NBA teams play defense during the regular season?

Really? I thought they boycotted that shit after Y2K...

kcxiv 11-09-2012 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9101319)
NBA teams play defense during the regular season?

Really? I thought they boycotted that shit after Y2K...

When was the last time you watched the NBA? They have done alot to not make it like the NFL with all offense and little defense.

Sorter 11-09-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9101321)
When was the last time you watched the NBA? They have done alot to not make it like the NFL with all offense and little defense.

I watched teh playoffs just about every year with a few games during the regular season.

I don't think that NBA players play defense during the beginning of the regular season like they do in the playoffs. Of course, I don't watch NBA very much anymore, so I probably am wrong.

Mr. Laz 11-09-2012 12:49 PM

The choice of trying to run the Princeton offense was terrible.


it's a high energy,motion offense designed to give a lesser talented team a chance to compete through intelligences and effort. The exact opposite of what the Lakers have with their older,uber talented team who has to conserve energy for defense and to stay healthy.

A double pick and roll offense is pretty much all they need.

kcxiv 11-09-2012 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9101329)
I watched teh playoffs just about every year with a few games during the regular season.

I don't think that NBA players play defense during the beginning of the regular season like they do in the playoffs. Of course, I don't watch NBA very much anymore, so I probably am wrong.

of course its not going to be tip top at the beg of the year just like NFL teams are where they need to be at the beg of the year.

But, yes you are fairly wrong. There are some teams that are bad no doubt, but there are some teams that are really freaking good on defense.

L.A. Chieffan 11-09-2012 12:50 PM

Just throwing it out there but I would have loved to see Messina get a shot. Too bad.

Sorter 11-09-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9101338)
of course its not going to be tip top at the beg of the year just like NFL teams are where they need to be at the beg of the year.

But, yes you are fairly wrong. There are some teams that are bad no doubt, but there are some teams that are really freaking good on defense.

I'll have to start watching again I suppose. What are the good defensive teams?

RealSNR 11-09-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9101271)
ROFL a shot? Only if the Spurs and Thunder die in plane crashes.

Yeah, you're probably right. It would seem far more normal if the Spurs got that 1 seed and did something reeruned like lose to a team like the Memphis Grizzlies or the ****ing Golden State Warriors.

CoMoChief 11-09-2012 12:59 PM

Phil Jackson come on down....this is another loaded Lakers team he can win another Finals with.

Buck 11-09-2012 01:00 PM

Are we even allowed to talk to B Shaw?

kcxiv 11-09-2012 01:00 PM

Its not going to be D'Antoni thank god. Hejust had surgery and is down til December.

kcxiv 11-09-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9101381)
Are we even allowed to talk to B Shaw?

For a head coaching job yes!, but i have a strong feeling we are going to see Phil Jackson again.

BlackHelicopters 11-09-2012 01:03 PM

Not even 10% of the season gone by, and they make a decisive move. Meanwhile, in KCMO...............

BWillie 11-09-2012 01:14 PM

Gotta hire phil...give him one last shot to ride into the sunset

BlackHelicopters 11-09-2012 01:19 PM

NBA is damn near unwatchable.

okcchief 11-09-2012 01:29 PM

I don't think they make the move unless its Phil Jackson.

kcxiv 11-09-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9101444)
NBA is damn near unwatchable.

Most talent and better games now Imo then ever. So many great to good players now days.

vailpass 11-09-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9101493)
Most talent and better games now Imo then ever. So many great to good players now days.

How old are you?

mcaj22 11-09-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9101493)
Most talent and better games now Imo then ever. So many great to good players now days.

doesnt touch the 80s or 90s

there are some awful markets fielding some really bad teams of talent

Sorter 11-09-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9101523)
doesnt touch the 80s or 90s

there are some awful markets fielding some really bad teams of talent

This

kcxiv 11-09-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9101496)
How old are you?

36, been watching NBA since about 1981 every year since then, so i know a bit about what im talking about and i still stand by that.

-King- 11-09-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 9101426)
Gotta hire phil...give him one last shot to ride into the sunset

:spock: The dude has a ring for each of his fingers and one for his dick... I don't think he is worried about riding into the sunset.

kcxiv 11-09-2012 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9101523)
doesnt touch the 80s or 90s

there are some awful markets fielding some really bad teams of talent

90's the most over rated decade by far. They didnt have close to the ammount of good and great players as they do now. Though they did have the best player of all time, that i will give the 90's. Thought he 2000's til about 2007 were pretty awful, but since then, its been really freaking good.

-King- 11-09-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9101523)
doesnt touch the 80s or 90s

there are some awful markets fielding some really bad teams of talent

Well... there are 7 more teams in the league.


But yeah, he's right. There is much more talent in the league than there has ever been (other than at the 5).

DaneMcCloud 11-09-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9101523)
doesnt touch the 80s or 90s

there are some awful markets fielding some really bad teams of talent

You're smoking crack.

NBA teams are LOADED with talent today that would destroy teams from the 80's and even 90's.

If you don't know this, it's clear that not only do you not watch the NBA on a regular basis, you don't attend the games, either.

USA basketball is stronger and more talented than it's ever been in history. Throw in the strong contingent of international players and you're looking at the most talented the league's ever been.

vailpass 11-09-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9101567)
36, been watching NBA since about 1981 every year since then, so i know a bit about what im talking about and i still stand by that.

You would be in the vast minority in thinking today's NBA compares even remotely with the 80s and 90s NBA. But everyone has a right to their opinion be it right or wrong.

vailpass 11-09-2012 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9101571)
90's the most over rated decade by far. They didnt have close to the ammount of good and great players as they do now. Though they did have the best player of all time, that i will give the 90's. Thought he 2000's til about 2007 were pretty awful, but since then, its been really freaking good.

90s ended when MJ did.
Then, nothing.NBA ratings were and are abysmal since Mike.

kcxiv 11-09-2012 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9101701)
You would be in the vast minority in thinking today's NBA compares even remotely with the 80s and 90s NBA. But everyone has a right to their opinion be it right or wrong.

in the physical play and what they are allowed to do, the 80's may be considered 90's somewhat, they let them play way reckless, but the talent, not even close now days. At least over all talent. Even on shitty teams there are damned good young players that are worth watching. Some of them may even become great nba players very soon.

JUst look at the rosters and just see how many guys that are good. its insane.

saphojunkie 11-09-2012 03:31 PM

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kcxiv 11-09-2012 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9101704)
90s ended when MJ did.
Then, nothing.NBA ratings were and are abysmal since Mike.


Thats just 1 player. Mike was fun to watch. I HATED the bulls and even JOrdan, but if he was on tv, damn right i was gonna watch it, he was fun to watch, dude was simply amazing.

AGain, with the talent and how many good players, its not even close. YOu got talent from all over the world and these arent just ok players anymore, they are damned good players. Night and day difference in overall talent.

Ill argue with anyone about that, because its simply a fact just watch the NBA now days.

saphojunkie 11-09-2012 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9101581)
You're smoking crack.

NBA teams are LOADED with talent today that would destroy teams from the 80's and even 90's.

If you don't know this, it's clear that not only do you not watch the NBA on a regular basis, you don't attend the games, either.

USA basketball is stronger and more talented than it's ever been in history. Throw in the strong contingent of international players and you're looking at the most talented the league's ever been.

I don't think teams now would destroy the 80's and 90's teams at all. You're right about the international contingent making the league stronger as a whole, though.

But if you put Steve Nash in short shorts and filmed in black and white, everyone would be saying "that dude could NEVER play in the league today!!"

Except he was the MVP.

DaneMcCloud 11-09-2012 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9101704)
90s ended when MJ did.
Then, nothing.NBA ratings were and are abysmal since Mike.

But that was before the dawn of satellite TV and 600 channels.

The NBA will never return to the ratings of the 80's but rights fees continue to ascend.

Basketball, like baseball, has too many games and too many teams to get the kind of ratings each did back in the 70's and 80's.

Personally, I think the game has improved both in the arena and on TV. Theses guys are just so ****ing big and so ****ing graceful in person. It's like they're a different species of human beings, altogether.

Seriously.

DaneMcCloud 11-09-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9101729)
I don't think teams now would destroy the 80's and 90's teams at all. You're right about the international contingent making the league stronger as a whole, though.

But if you put Steve Nash in short shorts and filmed in black and white, everyone would be saying "that dude could NEVER play in the league today!!"

Except he was the MVP.

While a squad consisting of NBA MVP's from the 80's would likely keep up, most regular teams, outside of Boston, Detroit and the Lakers, would likely be destroyed by those very same teams of 2012.

It wouldn't even be close.

saphojunkie 11-09-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9101722)
Thats just 1 player. Mike was fun to watch. I HATED the bulls and even JOrdan, but if he was on tv, damn right i was gonna watch it, he was fun to watch, dude was simply amazing.

AGain, with the talent and how many good players, its not even close. YOu got talent from all over the world and these arent just ok players anymore, they are damned good players. Night and day difference in overall talent.

Ill argue with anyone about that, because its simply a fact just watch the NBA now days.

The NBA is about top-end talent. The top-end talent is not better now than in the 80's/90's. Certainly not miles ahead.

You have to remember that teams were better coached, more fundamentally sound, and just overall smarter. They also stayed together longer, which made the teams so much more fluid.

Magic's Lakers would kick the hot shit out of Kobe's Lakers.

saphojunkie 11-09-2012 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9101741)
While a squad consisting of NBA MVP's from the 80's would likely keep up, most regular teams, outside of Boston, Detroit and the Lakers, would likely be destroyed by those very same teams of 2012.

It wouldn't even be close.

It all evens out. Individuals now are better, but the teams were better then.

EDIT: Whoa whoa whoa... LIKELY KEEP UP?

no, dude. No.

saphojunkie 11-09-2012 03:49 PM

I mean, you people realize that Shaq came into the league in the early 90's, right? I love how everyone thinks that somehow the 90's were the Paleolithic era with a bunch of 4 foot tall troglodytes shooting the ball underhanded.

There hasn't been a radical jump in human evolution in the past ten years. Yes, the guys now are bigger and stronger, but that's because they actually, you know, lift weights more. Put the 80's and 90's guys on a modern team with a modern training staff and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

DaneMcCloud 11-09-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9101778)
I mean, you people realize that Shaq came into the league in the early 90's, right? I love how everyone thinks that somehow the 90's were the Paleolithic era with a bunch of 4 foot tall troglodytes shooting the ball underhanded.

There hasn't been a radical jump in human evolution in the past ten years. Yes, the guys now are bigger and stronger, but that's because they actually, you know, lift weights more. Put the 80's and 90's guys on a modern team with a modern training staff and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Maybe, maybe not. It's not about getting to the NBA with these bodies, most of these guy start that training in grade school (same as football players).

The only people that state that the NBA was "better" in the 80's and 90's are people that don't and haven't consistently watched basketball this millennium.

Shogun 11-09-2012 04:07 PM

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November 08, 2012

ALAN ALDA REPLACING PHIL JACKSON AT SCHWAB IMPACT

In a last-minute development, actor Alan Alda will replace famed basketball coach Phil Jackson as the keynote speaker on the closing day of the annual Schwab Advisor Services IMPACT conference in Chicago next week, according to Bernie Clark, executive vice president, national sales manager of Schwab Advisor Services.

Alternative investments will be on the agenda when Chuck Schwab, founder of the nation’s largest RIA custodian, sits down on a panel with KKR co-founder George Roberts and managing director Scott Nuttall to discuss what role they can play in portfolios in what is expected to be a continued low interest-rate environment.

More than 3,000 financial professionals are expected to attend the event, which starts on November 13. The opening general session will feature a post-election discussion of Washington, D.C., and the outlook for the economy and financial markets led by Potomac Research Group’s Greg Valliere and Schwab’s chief investment strategist Liz Ann Sonders.

Other key topics at the conference next week include technology, the growing importance of female clients and developing the next generation of advisors, Clark said. All evidence indicates that female clients will account “for a huge number” of future clients, Clark noted, and several sessions will examine this subject in detail.

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Several sessions will focus on a related topic, succession planning. Moreoever, the conference will permit technology companies to display new capabilities and give advisors the chance to consult with “a growing ecosystem of support providers,” Clark noted.

dirk digler 11-09-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9101581)
You're smoking crack.

NBA teams are LOADED with talent today that would destroy teams from the 80's and even 90's.

If you don't know this, it's clear that not only do you not watch the NBA on a regular basis, you don't attend the games, either.

USA basketball is stronger and more talented than it's ever been in history. Throw in the strong contingent of international players and you're looking at the most talented the league's ever been.

Yep.

dirk digler 11-09-2012 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9101778)
I mean, you people realize that Shaq came into the league in the early 90's, right? I love how everyone thinks that somehow the 90's were the Paleolithic era with a bunch of 4 foot tall troglodytes shooting the ball underhanded.

There hasn't been a radical jump in human evolution in the past ten years. Yes, the guys now are bigger and stronger, but that's because they actually, you know, lift weights more. Put the 80's and 90's guys on a modern team with a modern training staff and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Did the 90's have a 6-8 250 lb player that could play and dominate all 5 positions?

I love MJ, Pippen, Barkley, and Shaq but today's players are just bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic. Just like the players in the NFL have evolved.

vailpass 11-09-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9101730)
But that was before the dawn of satellite TV and 600 channels.

The NBA will never return to the ratings of the 80's but rights fees continue to ascend.

Basketball, like baseball, has too many games and too many teams to get the kind of ratings each did back in the 70's and 80's.

Personally, I think the game has improved both in the arena and on TV. Theses guys are just so ****ing big and so ****ing graceful in person. It's like they're a different species of human beings, altogether.

Seriously.

Good points, I'll defer to what I assume is your industry knowledge on the workings of the ratings.

What I do know is that I don't see any kids in any of my 3 boy's circles wearing NBA jerseys anymore, no posters of NBA players on their walls, they don't talk about the games or even care about going to them.

I'm glad you enjoy today's NBA. I get nothing from it. And I used to love the NBA. Would sneak downstairs past my bedtime to watch playoffs when I was a kid. For me the game has lost it's toughness, lost it's credibility, lost it's mystic. Now it's just a bunch of grunts running up and down for a few months until playoffs start.

tk13 11-09-2012 04:42 PM

I actually agree that people underrate the talent in the NBA today... there's some great players and teams out there.

Still, on the flipside, people act like George Mikan played in the 90s or something. There isn't a guy in the league that could guard 1994 Shaq. David Robinson was a tremendous athlete. Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, etc... it goes back to the Dream Team arguments this summer. Maybe the current team would win, but not because they played 1950s basketball in the 90s.
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DaneMcCloud 11-09-2012 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9101920)
What I do know is that I don't see any kids in any of my 3 boy's circles wearing NBA jerseys anymore, no posters of NBA players on their walls, they don't talk about the games or even care about going to them.

Without sounding racist (which these comment will, undoubtedly), there aren't many examples out there for white youths to follow.

Chris Anderson? The Gasol brothers, both whom look white but are Spaniards? Kirk Heinrich?

Add to that, there's no one in the NBA with Michael Jordan's personality. Even with LeBron playing his ass off like Kobe before him, these guys just really don't cross the racial barrier like Jordan. He was special.

Furthermore, there isn't one white basketball player that's on the same exact level as Howard, Kobe or James. Back in the 80's, it was Bird versus Magic and Bird versus Jordan. Today, it's Kobe versus LeBron and it just doesn't have the same appeal to white Americans.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9101920)
I'm glad you enjoy today's NBA. I get nothing from it. And I used to love the NBA. Would sneak downstairs past my bedtime to watch playoffs when I was a kid. For me the game has lost it's toughness, lost it's credibility, lost it's mystic. Now it's just a bunch of grunts running up and down for a few months until playoffs start.

I agree to a degree. Most regular season games don't have much appeal to me unless I'm actually at the game. If it's on TV, it's cool and all and usually more fun to watch while I'm on the exercise bike or treadmill than "The Mentalist" on CBS or whatever, but it doesn't really get exciting until the playoffs. Baseball is like that for me as well. It's hard to watch the Dodgers on TV but if I'm at the stadium, I'm all in but the playoffs are where the real baseball magic begins for me. I rarely miss any game, regardless of team, once the MLB playoffs start.

I think it's because there are just too many regular season games in both MLB and the NBA.

mcaj22 11-09-2012 05:08 PM

i get that the talent is better. but the markets are much worse. All the talent is playing together and dictating the power of each conference every offseason. It's now generation based, probably every 10 years it will take a team to load up on young players to keep them in the same circle so they want to play together. But you see the veterans want to play with vets, the guys in their late twenties (27 to 30) all want to play together, and the real young guys coming up are all building bonds.

But teams like the Magic, Wizards, Suns, etc. There isnt a good ****ing player on any of these markets. Face of your franchise is Michael Beasley? John Wall? JJ Reddick?

those guys are not good by any stretch when you are comparing guys in the 80s and 90s that were the face of a market.

vailpass 11-09-2012 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9101978)
Without sounding racist (which these comment will, undoubtedly), there aren't many examples out there for white youths to follow.

Chris Anderson? The Gasol brothers, both whom look white but are Spaniards? Kirk Heinrich?

Add to that, there's no one in the NBA with Michael Jordan's personality. Even with LeBron playing his ass off like Kobe before him, these guys just really don't cross the racial barrier like Jordan. He was special.

Furthermore, there isn't one white basketball player that's on the same exact level as Howard, Kobe or James. Back in the 80's, it was Bird versus Magic and Bird versus Jordan. Today, it's Kobe versus LeBron and it just doesn't have the same appeal to white Americans.



I agree to a degree. Most regular season games don't have much appeal to me unless I'm actually at the game. If it's on TV, it's cool and all and usually more fun to watch while I'm on the exercise bike or treadmill than "The Mentalist" on CBS or whatever, but it doesn't really get exciting until the playoffs. Baseball is like that for me as well. It's hard to watch the Dodgers on TV but if I'm at the stadium, I'm all in but the playoffs are where the real baseball magic begins for me. I rarely miss any game, regardless of team, once the MLB playoffs start.

I think it's because there are just too many regular season games in both MLB and the NBA.


Good points all. I would submit that I loved the showtime Lakers even thought they had no white stars and I was a white kid in the middle of Iowa where we had 0 black people in school, church, etc.

As a midwesterner I watched Magic and Greg Kelser play at Michigan State, Birdman at Indy State, and followed them to the NBA.
Even before that I dug the NBA. I had the George Gervin sitting on a block of ice poster on my wall (next to Farah Fawcett and her nips and Linda Ronstadt).

I will say that in the past two years I have liked the NBA more than I have since MJ retired thanks to the Thunder, Bulls, Pacers. Great ball movement, team D, no bullshit. Also have respect for the Spurs.

The Bad Guy 11-09-2012 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9101581)
You're smoking crack.

NBA teams are LOADED with talent today that would destroy teams from the 80's and even 90's.

If you don't know this, it's clear that not only do you not watch the NBA on a regular basis, you don't attend the games, either.

USA basketball is stronger and more talented than it's ever been in history. Throw in the strong contingent of international players and you're looking at the most talented the league's ever been.

Absolutely this.

DeezNutz 11-09-2012 05:12 PM

Stan Van Gundy available.

Probably Qx10.

BWillie 11-09-2012 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9101523)
doesnt touch the 80s or 90s

there are some awful markets fielding some really bad teams of talent

It does actually.

-King- 11-09-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9102015)
i get that the talent is better. but the markets are much worse. All the talent is playing together and dictating the power of each conference every offseason. It's now generation based, probably every 10 years it will take a team to load up on young players to keep them in the same circle so they want to play together. But you see the veterans want to play with vets, the guys in their late twenties (27 to 30) all want to play together, and the real young guys coming up are all building bonds.

But teams like the Magic, Wizards, Suns, etc. There isnt a good ****ing player on any of these markets. Face of your franchise is Michael Beasley? John Wall? JJ Reddick?

those guys are not good by any stretch when you are comparing guys in the 80s and 90s that were the face of a market.

How is that any different from the 80s and 90s? Back then, only the Bulls, Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons could win a title. All the other teams were SOL. Just like now with the Lakers, Heat, Thunder, and Celtics.

BWillie 11-09-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9102073)
How is that any different from the 80s and 90s? Back then, only the Bulls, Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons could win a title. All the other teams were SOL. Just like now with the Lakers, Heat, Thunder, and Celtics.

Nothing is as good as it was in the good 'ole days. Don't cha know that?


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