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siberian khatru 11-06-2003 11:31 AM

The Pussification Of The Western Male (long but worth it)
 
I thought this was a hilarious, frazod-like rant.

http://www.kimdutoit.com/index.htm

The Pussification Of The Western Male

We have become a nation of women.

It wasn't always this way, of course. There was a time when men put their signatures to a document, knowing full well that this single act would result in their execution if captured, and in the forfeiture of their property to the State. Their wives and children would be turned out by the soldiers, and their farms and businesses most probably given to someone who didn't sign the document.

There was a time when men went to their certain death, with expressions like "You all can go to hell. I'm going to Texas." (Davy Crockett, to the House of Representatives, before going to the Alamo.)

There was a time when men went to war, sometimes against their own families, so that other men could be free. And there was a time when men went to war because we recognized evil when we saw it, and knew that it had to be stamped out.

There was even a time when a President of the United States threatened to punch a man in the face and kick him in the balls, because the man had the temerity to say bad things about the President's daughter's singing.

We're not like that anymore.

Now, little boys in grade school are suspended for playing cowboys and Indians, cops and crooks, and all the other familiar variations of "good guy vs. bad guy" that helped them learn, at an early age, what it was like to have decent men hunt you down, because you were a lawbreaker.

Now, men are taught that violence is bad -- that when a thief breaks into your house, or threatens you in the street, that the proper way to deal with this is to "give him what he wants", instead of taking a horsewhip to the rascal or shooting him dead where he stands.

Now, men's fashion includes not a man dressed in a three-piece suit, but a tight sweater worn by a man with breasts.

Now, warning labels are indelibly etched into gun barrels, as though men have somehow forgotten that guns are dangerous things.

Now, men are given Ritalin as little boys, so that their natural aggressiveness, curiosity and restlessness can be controlled, instead of nurtured and directed.

And finally, our President, who happens to have been a qualified fighter pilot, lands on an aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit, and is immediately dismissed with words like "swaggering", "macho" and the favorite epithet of Euro girly-men, "cowboy". Of course he was bound to get that reaction -- and most especially from the Press in Europe, because the process of male pussification Over There is almost complete.

How did we get to this?

In the first instance, what we have to understand is that America is first and foremost, a culture dominated by one figure: Mother. It wasn't always so: there was a time when it was Father who ruled the home, worked at his job, and voted.

But in the twentieth century, women became more and more involved in the body politic, and in industry, and in the media -- and mostly, this has not been a good thing. When women got the vote, it was inevitable that government was going to become more powerful, more intrusive, and more "protective" (ie. more coddling), because women are hard-wired to treasure security more than uncertainty and danger. It was therefore inevitable that their feminine influence on politics was going to emphasize (lowercase "s") social security.

I am aware of the fury that this statement is going to arouse, and I don't care a fig.

What I care about is the fact that since the beginning of the twentieth century, there has been a concerted campaign to denigrate men, to reduce them to figures of fun, and to render them impotent, figuratively speaking.

I'm going to illustrate this by talking about TV, because TV is a reliable barometer of our culture.

In the 1950s, the TV Dad was seen as the lovable goofball -- perhaps the beginning of the trend -- BUT he was still the one who brought home the bacon, and was the main source of discipline (think of the line: "Wait until your father gets home!").

From that, we went to this: the Cheerios TV ad.

Now, for those who haven't seen this piece of shit, I'm going to go over it, from memory, because it epitomizes everything I hate about the campaign to pussify men. The scene opens at the morning breakfast table, where the two kids are sitting with Dad at the table, while Mom prepares stuff on the kitchen counter. The dialogue goes something like this:

Little girl (note, not little boy): Daddy, why do we eat Cheerios?
Dad: Because they contain fiber, and all sorts of stuff that's good for the heart. I eat it now, because of that.
LG: Did you always eat stuff that was bad for your heart, Daddy?
Dad (humorously): I did, until I met your mother.
Mother (not humorously): Daddy did a lot of stupid things before he met your mother.

Now, every time I see that TV ad, I have to be restrained from shooting the TV with a .45 Colt. If you want a microcosm of how men have become less than men, this is the perfect example.

What Dad should have replied to Mommy's little dig: Yes, Sally, that's true: I did do a lot of stupid things before I met your mother. I even slept with your Aunt Ruth a few times, before I met your mother.

That's what I would have said, anyway, if my wife had ever attempted to castrate me in front of the kids like that. But that's not what men do, of course. What this guy is going to do is smile ruefully, finish his cereal, and then go and **** his secretary, who doesn't try to cut his balls off on a daily basis. Then, when the affair is discovered, people are going to rally around the castrating bitch called his wife, and call him all sorts of names. He'll lose custody of his kids, and they will be brought up by our ultimate modern-day figure of sympathy: The Single Mom.

You know what? Some women deserve to be single moms.

When I first started this website, I think my primary aim was to blow off steam at the stupidity of our society.

Because I have fairly set views on what constitutes right and wrong, I have no difficulty in calling Bill Clinton, for example, a ****ing liar and hypocrite.

But most of all, I do this website because I love being a man. Amongst other things, I talk about guns, self-defense, politics, beautiful women, sports, warfare, hunting, and power tools -- all the things that being a man entails. All this stuff gives me pleasure.

And it doesn't take much to see when all the things I love are being threatened: for instance, when Tim Allen's excellent comedy routine on being a man is reduced to a ****ing sitcom called Home Improvement. The show should have been called Man Improvement, because that's what every single plotline entailed: turning a man into a "better" person, instead of just leaving him alone to work on restoring the vintage sports car in his garage. I stopped watching the show after about four episodes.

("The Man Show" was better, at least for the first season -- men leering at chicks, men ****ing around with ridiculous games like "pin the bra on the boobies", men having beer-drinking competitions, and women on trampolines. Excellent stuff, only not strong enough. I don't watch it anymore, either, because it's plain that the idea has been subverted by girly-men, and turned into a parody of itself.)

Finally, we come to the TV show which to my mind epitomizes everything bad about what we have become: Queer Eye For The Straight Guy. Playing on the homo Bravo Channel, this piece of excrement has taken over the popular culture by storm (and so far, the only counter has been the wonderful South Park episode which took it apart for the bullshit it is).

I'm sorry, but the premise of the show nauseates me. A bunch of homosexuals trying to "improve" ordinary men into something "better" (ie. more acceptable to women): changing the guy's clothes, his home decor, his music -- for ****'s sake, what kind of girly-man would allow these simpering butt-bandits to change his life around?

Yes, the men are, by and large, slobs. Big ****ing deal. Last time I looked, that's normal. Men are slobs, and that only changes when women try to civilize them by marriage. That's the natural order of things.

You know the definition of homosexual men we used in Chicago? "Men with small dogs who own very tidy apartments."

Real men, on the other hand, have big ****ing mean-ass dogs: Rhodesian ridgebacks, bull terriers and Rottweilers, or else working dogs like pointers or retrievers which go hunting with them and slobber all over the furniture.

Women own lapdogs.

Which is why women are trying to get dog-fighting and cock-fighting banned -- they'd ban boxing too, if they could -- because it's "mean and cruel". No shit, Shirley. Hell, I don't like the idea of fighting dogs, either, but I don't have a problem with men who do. Dogs and cocks fight. So do men. No wonder we have an affinity for it.

My website has become fairly popular with men, and in the beginning, this really surprised me, because I didn't think I was doing anything special.

That's not what I think now. I must have had well over five thousand men write to me to say stuff like "Yes! I agree! I was so angry when I read about [insert atrocity of choice], but I though I was the only one."

No, you're not alone, my friend, and nor am I.

Out there, there is a huge number of men who are sick of it. We're sick of being made figures of fun and ridicule; we're sick of having girly-men like journalists, advertising agency execs and movie stars decide on "what is a man"; we're sick of women treating us like children, and we're really ****ing sick of girly-men politicians who pander to women by passing an ever-increasing raft of Nanny laws and regulations (the legal equivalent of public-school Ritalin), which prevent us from hunting, racing our cars and motorcycles, smoking, flirting with women at the office, getting into fistfights over women, shooting criminals and doing all the fine things which being a man entails.

When Annika Sorenstam was allowed to play in that tournament on the men's PGA tour, all the men should have refused to play -- Vijay Singh was the only one with balls to stand up for a principle, and he was absolutely excoriated for being a "chauvinist". Bullshit. He wasn't a chauvinist, he was being a man. All the rest of the players -- Woods, Mickleson, the lot -- are girls by comparison. And, needless to say, Vijay isn't an American, nor a European, which is probably why he still has a pair hanging between his legs, and they're not hanging on the wall as his wife's trophy.

**** this, I'm sick of it.

I don't see why I should put up with this bullshit any longer -- hell, I don't see why any man should put up with this bullshit any longer.

I don't see why men should have become feminized, accept that we allowed it to happen -- and you know why we let it happen? Because it's goddamned easier to do so. Unfortunately, we've allowed it to go too far, and our maleness has become too pussified for words.

At this point, I could have gone two ways: the first would be to say, "...and I don't know if we'll get it back. The process has become too entrenched, the cultural zeitgeist of men as girls has become part of the social fabric, and there's not much we can do about it."

But I'm not going to do that. To quote John Belushi (who was, incidentally, a real man and not a ****ing woman): "Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Well, I'm not going to quit. **** that. One of the characteristics of the non-pussified man (and this should strike fear into the hearts of women and girly-men everywhere) is that he never quits just because the odds seem overwhelming. Omaha Beach, guys.

I want a real man as President -- not Al Gore, who had to hire a consultant to show him how to be an Alpha male, and french-kiss his wife on live TV to "prove" to the world that he was a man, when we all knew that real men don't have to do that shit.

And I want the Real Man President to surround himself with other Real Men, like Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft, and yes, Rice (who is more of a Real Man than those asswipes Colin Powell and Norman Mineta).

I want our government to be more like Dad -- kind, helpful, but not afraid to punish us when we **** up, instead of helping us excuse our actions.

I want our government of real men to start rolling back the Nanny State, in all its horrible manifestations of over-protectiveness, intrusiveness and "Mommy Knows Best What's Good For You" regulations.

I want our culture to become more male -- not the satirical kind of male, like The Man Show, or the cartoonish figures of Stallone, Van Damme or Schwartzenegger. (Note to the Hollywood execs: We absolutely ****ing loathe chick movies about feelings and relationships and all that feminine jive. We want more John Waynes, Robert Mitchums, Bruce Willises, and Clint Eastwoods. Never mind that it's simplistic -- we like simple, we are simple, we are men -- our lives are uncomplicated, and we like it that way. We Were Soldiers was a great movie, and you know why? Because you could have cut out all the female parts, and it still would have been a great movie, because it was about Real Men. Try cutting out all the female parts in a Woody Allen movie -- you'd end up with the opening and closing credits.)

I want our literature to become more male, less female. Men shouldn't buy "self-help" books unless the subject matter is car maintenance, golf swing improvement or how to disassemble a ****ing Browning BAR. We don't improve ourselves, we improve our stuff.

And finally, I want men everywhere to going back to being Real Men. To open doors for women, to drive fast cars, to smoke cigars after a meal, to get drunk occasionally and, in the words of Col. Jeff Cooper, one of the last of the Real Men: "to ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth."

In every sense of the word. We know what the word "is" means.

Because that's all that being a Real Man involves. You don't have to become a ****ing cartoon male, either: I'm not going back to stoning women for adultery like those Muslim assholes do, nor am I suggesting we support that perversion of being a Real Man, gangsta rap artists (those ****ing pussies -- they wouldn't last thirty seconds against a couple of genuine tough guys that I know).

Speaking of rap music, do you want to know why more White boys buy that crap than Black boys do? You know why rape is such a problem on college campuses? Why binge drinking is a problem among college freshmen?

It's a reaction: a reaction against being pussified. And I understand it, completely. Young males are aggressive, they do fight amongst themselves, they are destructive, and all this does happen for a purpose.

Because only the strong men propagate.

And women know it. You want to know why I know this to be true? Because powerful men still attract women. Women, even liberal women, swooned over George Bush in a naval aviator's uniform. Donald Trump still gets access to some of the most beautiful pussy available, despite looking like a medieval gargoyle. Donald Rumsfeld, if he wanted to, could **** 90% of all women over 50 if he wanted to, and a goodly portion of younger ones too.

And he won't. Because Rummy's been married to the same woman for fifty years, and he wouldn't toss that away for a quickie. He's a Real Man. No wonder the Euros hate and fear him.

We'd better get more like him, we'd better become more like him, because if we don't, men will become a footnote to history.

BIG_DADDY 11-06-2003 11:51 AM

I agree with some of this for sure. It would have been better if they had left a lot of the politics out of it though.

Delano 11-06-2003 11:55 AM

I stopped reading after, "We'd better get more like him, we'd better become more like him, because if we don't, men will become a footnote to history."

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano
I stopped reading after, "We'd better get more like him, we'd better become more like him, because if we don't, men will become a footnote to history."

:LOL:

I'm betting most folks will be like you.

Rausch 11-06-2003 12:00 PM

THANK YOU!

CirclingWagons 11-06-2003 12:03 PM

Did George Carlin write that?....Pussification is a Carlin word

memyselfI 11-06-2003 12:10 PM

Isn't this what Rush was lamenting against...

the 'metrosexual male?'

Rush better hope the male legal entities deciding his case have 'sensitive' tendencies otherwise his arse might be in with other 'real men' in the tank.

Delano 11-06-2003 12:15 PM

Most men have been "lamenting" against metrosexuals ever since this term was coined. The comic strip "Mallard Fillmore" has been poking fun at these sort of people for the last week.




If the people deciding Rush's case can't look past his political leanings, they have no business doing what they do.

BIG_DADDY 11-06-2003 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
Isn't this what Rush was lamenting against...

the 'metrosexual male?'

Rush better hope the male legal entities deciding his case have 'sensitive' tendencies otherwise his arse might be in with other 'real men' in the tank.

Here comes the original "REAL MAN" hater. If she had it her way she would emasculate every man alive.

Clint in Wichita 11-06-2003 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
Isn't this what Rush was lamenting against...

the 'metrosexual male?'

Rush better hope the male legal entities deciding his case have 'sensitive' tendencies otherwise his arse might be in with other 'real men' in the tank.


I bet Rush would suck penis for a few thousand oxycontin (sp?) pills.

KC Dan 11-06-2003 12:36 PM

As I get older & see more and more changes (detrimental) to our society my long standing response to my spouse & close friends as to why crime, divorce increases, single parenting, and many other societal downtrends has been:
The Amendment to give women the right to vote and women working for men during WWII started this society's downslide.

It used to be my big joke when younger but sadly as the years pass by, I may be starting to think and believe that it really isn't a joke and more the truth.

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
Naw, it was Ted Nugent.

I thought it was Denis Leary. I'll have to go re-check that e-mail.

memyselfI 11-06-2003 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY
Here comes the original "REAL MAN" hater. If she had it her way she would emasculate every man alive.

No way. Nothing more sexy than a confident and secure man who has a good balance between his 'he man' and 'she man'...that whole yin/yang energy in balance.

Calcountry 11-06-2003 12:56 PM

OOO OOO, you better go give him some ritalin for posting that.

BIG_DADDY 11-06-2003 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
No way. Nothing more sexy than a confident and secure man who has a good balance between his 'he man' and 'she man'...that whole yin/yang energy in balance.


So a real man that is in touch with his feminine side? riiiigghht. ROFL

|Zach| 11-06-2003 01:05 PM

I found this whole piece to be pretty stupid.

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC
I found this whole piece to be pretty stupid.

Nobody asked you. Shouldn't you be in class? ;)

|Zach| 11-06-2003 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
Nobody asked you. Shouldn't you be in class? ;)

I just got back from all my fancy book lernin.

:p

Boozer 11-06-2003 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC
I just got back from all my fancy book lernin.

:p

You should get a refund. That's spelled "larnin'." Get it right.

Baby Lee 11-06-2003 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
No way. Nothing more sexy than a confident and secure man who has a good balance between his 'he man' and 'she man'...that whole yin/yang energy in balance.

Show me a man in touch with the feminine side, and I'll show you guy with a girfriend who is ****ing his best friend in 6 months.

|Zach| 11-06-2003 01:23 PM

Sweet, I have figured it out. To be a man I should fight people to make them respect me.

Errr...maybe I will read the cliff's notes or something.

Otter 11-06-2003 01:23 PM

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...fight-club.jpg

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC
Sweet, I have figured it out. To be a man I should fight people to make them respect me.

Errr...maybe I will read the cliff's notes or something.

So put 'em up, girly boy!

http://www.icrda.org/boxer.jpg

jcl-kcfan2 11-06-2003 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
No way. Nothing more sexy than a confident and secure man who has a good balance between his 'he man' and 'she man'...that whole yin/yang energy in balance.


ya freakin wierdo!!!

Talisman 11-06-2003 02:43 PM

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Now, little boys in grade school are suspended for playing cowboys and Indians, cops and crooks, and all the other familiar variations of "good guy vs. bad guy" that helped them learn, at an early age, what it was like to have decent men hunt you down, because you were a lawbreaker.
My mom wouldn't let me play cowboys and Indians. I always ended up being the Chinese railroad worker.

angel 11-06-2003 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
Show me a man in touch with the feminine side, and I'll show you guy with a girfriend who is ****ing his best friend in 6 months.

:)


I like this quote:
"And finally, I want men everywhere to going back to being Real Men. To open doors for women, to drive fast cars, to smoke cigars after a meal, to get drunk occasionally and, in the words of Col. Jeff Cooper, one of the last of the Real Men: "to ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth." "

Simplex3 11-06-2003 03:15 PM

Do you women really want to be married to metrosexual pussies?

angel 11-06-2003 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
Do you women really want to be married to metrosexual pussies?

they seem to, don't they?
personally, I want a guy who can fight, I like to feel protected- if he beats me, that's the end of that, however- a guy who likes football, namely the Chiefs, not one that just says he's a fan, but one who really likes football; I don't want a guy who cries more than I do. I don't like poetry. I like music, however- classic rock, none of that newer n*sync type crap.
I don't know how many females would admit to agree with me on this, but they're out there, don't worry- be men.

stevieray 11-06-2003 03:28 PM

This article is dead on.

look at the new subway commercial, some guy dogging Jerod for being in a restaurant eating areal meal?

This is exactly why you have extreme sports. This is exactly why you have people RIOTING after Stanley Cup wins. This is EXACTLY why we pay SO much for sports and the athletes. and i truly belive this is why NASCAR has exploded in the last ten years. All that testosterone has to go somewhere.

Look at commercials...on a daily basis, men are idiots, women smart. Look how many shows with chicks beating up guys.

Every other channel, health and beauty crap.

Simplex3 11-06-2003 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
they seem to, don't they?
personally, I want a guy who can fight, I like to feel protected- if he beats me, that's the end of that, however...

To me being a man is:

Showering, shave, comb hair: yes
Pedicure: no

Open doors for women: yes
Cry at movies with women: no

Protect your woman: yes
Hit your woman: never.

Watch football, drink beer and liquor, smoke cigars: yes
Watch fashion shows, drink wine coolers, smoke poles: no

Look at every chick that walks by and want to bang her: yes
Cheat on your wife by banging every chick that walks by: no

Buy a sportscar when you're 40: yes
Change your 40 year old wife in for two 20's: no

Be the head of your household: yes
Have another "head" in your household: no

You get the idea. :thumb:

angel 11-06-2003 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
To me being a man is:

Showering, shave, comb hair: yes
Pedicure: no

Open doors for women: yes
Cry at movies with women: no

Protect your woman: yes
Hit your woman: never.

Watch football, drink beer and liquor, smoke cigars: yes
Watch fashion shows, drink wine coolers, smoke poles: no

Look at every chick that walks by and want to bang her: yes
Cheat on your wife by banging every chick that walks by: no

Buy a sportscar when you're 40: yes
Change your 40 year old wife in for two 20's: no

Be the head of your household: yes
Have another "head" in your household: no

You get the idea. :thumb:

that's perfect

stevieray 11-06-2003 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC
I found this whole piece to be pretty stupid.


This doesn't suprise me. You grew up in it.

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
they seem to, don't they?
personally, I want a guy who can fight, I like to feel protected- if he beats me, that's the end of that, however- a guy who likes football, namely the Chiefs, not one that just says he's a fan, but one who really likes football; I don't want a guy who cries more than I do. I don't like poetry. I like music, however- classic rock, none of that newer n*sync type crap.
I don't know how many females would admit to agree with me on this, but they're out there, don't worry- be men.

Will you marry me? :drool:

Don't worry, my wife will understand. ;)

angel 11-06-2003 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
Will you marry me? :drool:

Don't worry, my wife will understand. ;)

sorry- see below

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
Buy a sportscar when you're 40: yes
Change your 40 year old wife in for two 20's: no


siberian khatru 11-06-2003 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
sorry- see below

Who said anything about trading her in? (Besides, she's only 36 ;) )

We could all move to Utah and become polygamous Mormons! :p

Yes, Chiefs football and classic rock are THAT important to me.

angel 11-06-2003 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
Who said anything about trading her in? (Besides, she's only 36 ;) )

We could all move to Utah and become polygamous Mormons! :p

Yes, Chiefs football and classic rock are THAT important to me.

:D sorry, I don't share

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
:D sorry, I don't share

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9708/06/kor...t1.anguish.jpg

angel 11-06-2003 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
That's good stuff, and I'm almost there. I open doors for women, I drive a pickup (which I think is probably more manly than a Porsche, but that's just me), I never got into cigars much... well, unless there wasn't tobacco in them. Is it okay if I get drunk frequently?

I can't shoot worth a shit, tho.

hmmm, I don't mind about the cigars... I like trucks... maybe if you didn't try to shoot when you were drunk, it'd work better--- ask me again when your aim improves ;)

angel 11-06-2003 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
I hear that if you learn some of the dance moves for "Bye, Bye, Bye" and you and 3 or 4 four of your friends perform the song w/ dance moves at karaoke night, college girls go nuts over it.

they probably do... as long as you're hot enough, or they're drunk enough... I just don't go for that- I think it's gay... not that there's anything wrong with that

angel 11-06-2003 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
But, going out to the desert, drinking, and shooting up old appliances is FUN. It's just not the same w/out the beer.

I'm sure it is-- but when it comes down to some mugger trying to get my purse, you'd better be able to stop him- that's all I"m saying


also, none of this "I'd rather play video games or look at hot girls on TV than fondle a real live girl who's in the room with me and wants attention"

Simplex3 11-06-2003 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
also, none of this "I'd rather play video games or look at hot girls on TV than fondle my real live girlfriend who's in the room with me and wants attention"

So you've actually found one of these dorks that will take porn over a chick?

FWIW, feminists are the cause of that. If you don't know why, ask. I can explain.

angel 11-06-2003 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
So you've actually found one of these dorks that will take porn over a chick?

FWIW, feminists are the cause of that. If you don't know why, ask. I can explain.

EXPLAIN!!! please

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
EXPLAIN!!! please

I'm betting that simplex was just looking for an opportunity to talk dirty to you.

memyselfI 11-06-2003 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
Show me a man in touch with the feminine side, and I'll show you guy with a girfriend who is ****ing his best friend in 6 months.

You've got to be kidding. You are saying the only way women are faithful to a man is if he is a hard assed jerk...perhaps that has worked for YOU but I don't know any women who would stay with, let alone be faithful, to a guy like that.

headsnap 11-06-2003 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
"I'd rather play video games or look at hot girls on TV than fondle my real live girlfriend who's in the room with me and wants attention"

that's just gay!

stevieray 11-06-2003 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
You've got to be kidding. You are saying the only way women are faithful to a man is if he is a hard assed jerk...perhaps that has worked for YOU but I don't know any women who would stay with, let alone be faithful, to a guy like that.

spoken like a true hard assed jerk.

BIG_DADDY 11-06-2003 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
I'm sure it is-- but when it comes down to some mugger trying to get my purse, you'd better be able to stop him- that's all I"m saying


also, none of this "I'd rather play video games or look at hot girls on TV than fondle my real live girlfriend who's in the room with me and wants attention"

I agree, fondling rules!!

headsnap 11-06-2003 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
You've got to be kidding. You are saying the only way women are faithful to a man is if he is a hard assed jerk...perhaps that has worked for YOU but I don't know any women who would stay with, let alone be faithful, to a guy like that.

so, if a man ain't pussyfied, he is then by default a 'hard assed jerk.' :rolleyes:





red ass rich looks like a hard assed jerk to me...

Simplex3 11-06-2003 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
EXPLAIN!!! please

Once upon a time, men wanted women. They married them and had sex with them. They paid for the dates, they opened the doors, they protected and provided for their family.

Then one day a femisist showed up. She said "women should be equal". Men said "Uh, Ok." Men still paid for the dates, they opened the doors, they protected and provided for their family.

Then the feminist thought, "hell, if I got that and didn't have to give anything up why can't I get more?" So she asked for affirmitive action protection, alimony, palimony if she didn't get married, child support if she happened to get pregnant (in some cases even if it wasn't his child), full custody of the children, the ability to abort a fetus without the man's consent, and some other stuff.

Men looked around, and seeing that hookers were still illegal, said "F**k this, it's too big a pain in my ass. Why bother getting a good job, married, and having kids if this bitch can just take it all away whenever she feels like it? I'm just gonna watch some porn and whack off."

The end. :D

BIG_DADDY 11-06-2003 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
You've got to be kidding. You are saying the only way women are faithful to a man is if he is a hard assed jerk...perhaps that has worked for YOU but I don't know any women who would stay with, let alone be faithful, to a guy like that.

Meme wouldn't be with any guy she couldn't emasculate, that much is very obvious.

mikey23545 11-06-2003 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray
This article is dead on.

look at the new subway commercial, some guy dogging Jerod for being in a restaurant eating areal meal?

This is exactly why you have extreme sports. This is exactly why you have people RIOTING after Stanley Cup wins. This is EXACTLY why we pay SO much for sports and the athletes. and i truly belive this is why NASCAR has exploded in the last ten years. All that testosterone has to go somewhere.

Look at commercials...on a daily basis, men are idiots, women smart. Look how many shows with chicks beating up guys.

Every other channel, health and beauty crap.

You have indeed taken words from my mouth.

It seems like every other movie now is some femi-nazi fantasy about a woman unleashing an ass-whoopin' on every man who looks at her wrong (but then we have seen in most movies how all men are cheating, wife-beating, alcoholic scumbags, unless they are gay...Not that here's anything wrong with that...)

Every TV show now has the same premise. The father/husband/boyfriend is just utterly reeruned and incapable of caring for himself without some all-wise Earth Mother steering him away from one self-caused disaster after another...The sons in the family are just as misguided, and of course the daughters and mothers spend much time laughing at the male species...

I shudder when I think of families all across the nation sitting down in front of this tripe night after night, little boys being painlessly and unobtrusivly indoctrinated by Mother Hollywood...

GIGO

headsnap 11-06-2003 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545
I shudder when I think of families all across the nation sitting down in front of this tripe night after night, little boys being painlessly and unobtrusivly indoctrinated by Mother Hollywood...

GIGO

my boy is only two and I have found that it is profoundly more difficult to raise boys in this society than it is to raise girls.

just look at the advertising on nickelodeon, 90% of it is geared to girl play.




boys today are an afterthought... :shake:

Simplex3 11-06-2003 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by headsnap
boys today are an afterthought... :shake:

Boys are though to first whenever Ritalin is brought up. :banghead:

Let's admire UNICEF. They have a program called "Go Girls" that is specifically designed to encourage girls to go to school. There is no compesatory program geared towards boys. Yet girls are well ahead of boys in school attendance worldwide. Why might this be, you ask? UNICEF is being run by a feminist who could care less about boys.

angel 11-06-2003 04:50 PM

"Now, men are given Ritalin as little boys, so that their natural aggressiveness, curiosity and restlessness can be controlled, instead of nurtured and directed. "

this also bothers the hell out of me

I was aiding in a first grade class last semester, and there was this little boy that the teacher told me was a "troublemaker". she would have me take him into the hall to go through flash cards with him one-on-one since he wouldn't concentrate in class. after a while, I was able to find out how to keep his interest, and he learned most, if not all, of the flash cards. All I had to do was challenge him and keep his interest by relating each card with something he was interested in. Anyway, I came back the next week, and he was very subdued- he seemed sad. The teacher told me his parents had put him on ritalin. This made me sad. he wasn't a troublemaker, he was a first grade boy. He was not bad, he was fun... when I'm a teacher, if a parent asks me if their child should be put on any medication- my answer is a firm NO

stevieray 11-06-2003 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
Boys are though to first whenever Ritalin is brought up. :banghead:

Let's admire UNICEF. They have a program called "Go Girls" that is specifically designed to encourage girls to go to school. There is no compesatory program geared towards boys. Yet girls are well ahead of boys in school attendance worldwide. Why might this be, you ask? UNICEF is being run by a feminist who could care less about boys.


and let's let em dress like sluts, then blame the boys for looking at them as sexual objects to "demean".

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
"Now, men are given Ritalin as little boys, so that their natural aggressiveness, curiosity and restlessness can be controlled, instead of nurtured and directed. "

this also bothers the hell out of me

I was aiding in a first grade class last semester, and there was this little boy that the teacher told me was a "troublemaker". she would have me take him into the hall to go through flash cards with him one-on-one since he wouldn't concentrate in class. after a while, I was able to find out how to keep his interest, and he learned most, if not all, of the flash cards. All I had to do was challenge him and keep his interest by relating each card with something he was interested in. Anyway, I came back the next week, and he was very subdued- he seemed sad. The teacher told me his parents had put him on ritalin. This made me sad. he wasn't a troublemaker, he was a first grade boy. He was not bad, he was fun... when I'm a teacher, if a parent asks me if their child should be put on any medication- my answer is a firm NO

Hey, my wife's a teacher, too! First grade (also has taught kindergarten). See, y'all have lots to talk about ... in Provo.

Seriously, you're absolutely right about medicating little boys. Good for you.

BIG_DADDY 11-06-2003 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by angel
"Now, men are given Ritalin as little boys, so that their natural aggressiveness, curiosity and restlessness can be controlled, instead of nurtured and directed. "

this also bothers the hell out of me

I was aiding in a first grade class last semester, and there was this little boy that the teacher told me was a "troublemaker". she would have me take him into the hall to go through flash cards with him one-on-one since he wouldn't concentrate in class. after a while, I was able to find out how to keep his interest, and he learned most, if not all, of the flash cards. All I had to do was challenge him and keep his interest by relating each card with something he was interested in. Anyway, I came back the next week, and he was very subdued- he seemed sad. The teacher told me his parents had put him on ritalin. This made me sad. he wasn't a troublemaker, he was a first grade boy. He was not bad, he was fun... when I'm a teacher, if a parent asks me if their child should be put on any medication- my answer is a firm NO

Outstanding!!

angel 11-06-2003 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
I was really disappointed with what followed this statement.

he's in first grade, man-- :shake:

headsnap 11-06-2003 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
I was really disappointed with what followed this statement.

ENDelt needs ritalin. :p



20,000 + posts... :eek:

BIG_DADDY 11-06-2003 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
ROFL What? Why you assume the worst?

You are ENDO

memyselfI 11-06-2003 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY
Meme wouldn't be with any guy she couldn't emasculate, that much is very obvious.

So a guy who's faithful, and helps around the house and is a better cook than his wife,and loves BOTH his wife AND his mother and isn't afraid to say it, and pretty much would rather spend an evening at home with the 'family' than out bar hopping with friends or going to strip joints is emasculated?

Dang, I'll tell my single friends to start looking for 'emasculated' men...cuz they sure in the hell want what I'm describing more than some guy who's a jerk.

Oh, and he 'allows' me to watch as much football as I possibly want...not that my friends care about this trait much.

Simplex3 11-06-2003 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
So a guy who's faithful, and helps around the house and is a better cook than his wife,and loves BOTH his wife AND his mother and isn't afraid to say it, and pretty much would rather spend an evening at home with the 'family' than out bar hopping with friends or going to strip joints is emasculated?

Dang, I'll tell my single friends to start looking for 'emasculated' men...cuz they sure in the hell want what I'm describing more than some guy who's a jerk.

Oh, and he 'allows' me to watch as much football as I possibly want...not that my friends care about this trait much.

When a decision needs to be made in your house, who makes it? I'll bet most of the time it's you.

memyselfI 11-06-2003 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
When a decision needs to be made in your house, who makes it? I'll bet most of the time it's you.

Depends on what the issue is. Somethings he's inherently better at deciding and somethings I am.

Baby Lee 11-06-2003 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
You've got to be kidding. You are saying the only way women are faithful to a man is if he is a hard assed jerk...perhaps that has worked for YOU but I don't know any women who would stay with, let alone be faithful, to a guy like that.

Oh STFU.
I've never been the hard-assed jerk with a girl, except maybe the occasional one that thinks we'd be good together and I disagree. Then it's a firm 'not interested.'
But the scenario of the girl liking the 'good' guy, until the 'bad' guy comes along is at this point beyond speculation into downright cliche. You attend to a woman the way she says she wants you to, they realize that, if you're spending all your time taking care of her wants and needs, you just may have no life. Then she's making goo-goo eyes at Spike on the Harley.
Next time you see her, she's looking for a shoulder to cry on because he beats the shit out of her. Then it's back to Spike.
Has happened [to a lesser extent] to me. Has happened to friends of mine. Seen it happen to guys I barely know.

BIG_DADDY 11-06-2003 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfi
So a guy who's faithful, and helps around the house and is a better cook than his wife,and loves BOTH his wife AND his mother and isn't afraid to say it, and pretty much would rather spend an evening at home with the 'family' than out bar hopping with friends or going to strip joints is emasculated?

Dang, I'll tell my single friends to start looking for 'emasculated' men...cuz they sure in the hell want what I'm describing more than some guy who's a jerk.

Oh, and he 'allows' me to watch as much football as I possibly want...not that my friends care about this trait much.

I'm faithful, we both enjoy the other women together. I love my fiancee and my mother very much and I am not afraid to admit that either. BTW, I do all the cooking and am better at it. I spend the huge majority of my time home with the family and let her watch as much football as she wants too. Just because I go to an occasional strip club is no reason to call me a jerk.

That being said I am still the head of the household.

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
Has happened [to a lesser extent] to me. Has happened to friends of mine. Seen it happen to guys I barely know.

Basically the story of my pre-marriage life.

Michael Michigan 11-06-2003 07:01 PM

This thread is great. I just got assigned a column on this "metrosexual" bullshit.

I've interviewed about 35 different women and it's 12-1 women who would rather have a man than a mertosexual wimp.

Another 30 had no idea of the term.


As far as guys claiming to be metrosexual in metro Phoenix 4 out of about 100 agreed they were.

Here is the definition from the book--The Metrosexual Guide to Style

metrosexual \me-(.)tro - seksh-(e-)wel\ n: 1: twenty-first- century male trendsetter 2: straight, urban man with heightened aesthetic sense. 3: man who spends time and money on appearance and shopping 4: man willing to embrace his feminine side

Keep in mind it's written by an out of work soap opera actor.

Boozer 11-06-2003 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Michigan
As far as guys claiming to be metrosexual in metro Phoenix 4 out of about 100 agreed they were.

Depending on how you got your sample, it's a good chance you've got a couple dozen liars. At least in Tempe and Scottsdale, you can't go to the store to pick up a 30-rack of Beast without tripping over two or three pretty boys. :shake:

Michael Michigan 11-06-2003 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Boozer
Depending on how you got your sample, it's a good chance you've got a couple dozen liars. At least in Tempe and Scottsdale, you can't go to the store to pick up a 30-rack of Beast without tripping over two or three pretty boys. :shake:

They were all in Phoenix in the central corridor.

I didn't ask the Tempe mayor.

;)

Boozer 11-06-2003 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Michigan
They were all in Phoenix in the central corridor.

I didn't ask the Trempe mayor.

;)

Oh, I don't believe he fits your definition....NTTAWWT. :thumb:

HC_Chief 11-06-2003 07:39 PM

MM - you need to watch the South Park episode on 'Metrosexuals' (ie the one the author mentions as ripping on that ****-awful Queer Eye show). It is friggin' hilarious :D

Frazod 11-06-2003 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
ROFL

Are you sure Tim didn't write that?

No, I didn't.

BUT I WISH I HAD. :thumb:

Simplex3 11-06-2003 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
MM - you need to watch the South Park episode on 'Metrosexuals' (ie the one the author mentions as ripping on that ****-awful Queer Eye show). It is friggin' hilarious :D

I loved that one. Lobster people... :LOL:

siberian khatru 11-06-2003 07:43 PM

Ah, I've been waiting all day for frazod to view this thread. Now my night is complete.

Frazod 11-06-2003 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
Ah, I've been waiting all day for frazod to view this thread. Now my night is complete.

I'm listening to the Fox Chiefs show right now, but later I will give this thread an appropriate frazod response....

Michael Michigan 11-06-2003 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
MM - you need to watch the South Park episode on 'Metrosexuals' (ie the one the author mentions as ripping on that ****-awful Queer Eye show). It is friggin' hilarious :D

So I've heard---wish it was on this weekend. The column will run next week.

Anyone have it on tape?

Otter 11-06-2003 08:04 PM

The problem I have with this whole concept is that you have to allow yourself to become the person that this article is describing.

If you want to be treated like a man, act like a man.

Solve your own confrontations face to face with either a handshake or a fist fight, if you want to stir shit, don't hide behind authority put in place to serve the weak and innocent.

Be there for those special people in your life with a hug to comfort them or a shotgun and a baseball bat to protect them whether it's convient or not.

Shut your mouth and don't complain every time things aren't going your way like a 'woman' (just for the purpose of the article ladies) if you don't want to be percieved as one.

The fact that some are even arguing that society is 'forcing' them to become femenine is the definition of irony.


I know, I'm late. :shrug:

Jenny Gump 11-06-2003 08:59 PM

My quick two cents...and I will admit I didn't read the entire "Pussification" article.

I have come to believe that our society has made great strides at feminizing little boys. There is a huge difference between raising little boys into men who respect women and expecting little boys to act like little girls. Men should be exactly that...men.

I used to get all caught up in the whole "men are the enemy" argument of the femi-nazis when I was a teen and into my early 20's. However, after growing into a woman, and having some real life experience, I realize that men and women are different for the right reasons. We shouldn't be drugging our nation's crop of young boys, (ritalin) just because they act like nature intended.

I have a little boy...and he is ALL boy. There are many times I must remind myself to nurture his spirit, not crush it. Gloria Allred be damned...my boy is going to be ALL man.

Frazod 11-06-2003 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JennyGump
My quick two cents...and I will admit I didn't read the entire "Pussification" article.

I have come to believe that our society has made great strides at feminizing little boys. There is a huge difference between raising little boys into men who respect women and expecting little boys to act like little girls. Men should be exactly that...men.

I used to get all caught up in the whole "men are the enemy" argument of the femi-nazis when I was a teen and into my early 20's. However, after growing into a woman, and having some real life experience, I realize that men and women are different for the right reasons. We shouldn't be drugging our nation's crop of young boys, (ritalin) just because they act like nature intended.

I have a little boy...and he is ALL boy. There are many times I must remind myself to nurture his spirit, not crush it. Gloria Allred be damned...my boy is going to be ALL man.

You rock! :thumb:

Bearcat 11-06-2003 09:03 PM

Queer Eye for the Sports Guy



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Rick Reilly
Peter Read Miller
Tonight on Queer Eye for the Sports Guy, our gay panelists make over a straight sports columnist and leave him looking like the South Beach Dinner Theater director.
Why fight the (purple) power? Straight is so last week. Near Queer is here.
The signs are everywhere. Last week's episode of Playmakers featured the character who's a gay football player. Soccer superstar David Beckham paints his toenails and wears sarongs. Did you see Pudge Rodriguez kiss Marlins closer Ugueth Urbina nearly on the lips in the playoffs? They're both straight -- not that there's anything wrong with that.

The gay stigma is toast. You go through an NFL locker room and you'll see 310-pound linemen borrowing each other's hand moisturizer, saying, "I can't believe you don't exfoliate, dude," and then leaving in salmon silk shirts.

So I called the hosts of the Bravo channel smash hit Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and asked them to make over the column: top to bottom, left to right, until it was gay enough for Nathan Lane to read.

Unfortunately, the Queer Eye boys couldn't have been less interested if I'd invited them to Jell-O Night at Cheerleaders.

Fine. I went to my gay and lesbian friends and acquaintances and asked them to make over the column for a week. They were delighted to help -- especially after they got a look at my column picture and nearly ralphed. "Uh, about that sweater?" said my gay stylist friend, Lawrence. "Mister Rogers is dead."

Cyd Zeigler Jr., who cofounded the gay website Outsports.com, then weighed in on the turtleneck I was wearing. "Uh, hello?" he said. "Mock turtles were never in!"

Lawrence put me in a see-through print shirt (so now!), crammed me into leather pants (so cow!) and plucked my eyebrows (say ow!). Then he topped it all off with a beanie. "Can't you do some cool style with my hair?" I protested.

"There is no cool style I can do with that little hair," he said, clamping the beanie on tight. Suddenly, this is more like THE LIFE OF (CHARLES NELSON) REILLY.

Now, what would gay sports fans like to see in a magazine that is usually about as gay as Gen. George Patton? "Gay-sports issues," Zeigler said, "opinion and, most of all, naked pictures of [Houston Texans] quarterback David Carr!"

Name a sport and there is a gay league for it. There is gay hockey, gay football and the Gay Games. There is even gay rodeo, which features the usual rodeo events, plus "goat dressing" (contestants run around trying to put jockey shorts on a goat), "wild dragging" (contestants try to place a begowned transvestite atop a bucking bronco) and "steer decorating" (contestants try to tie a yellow bow on a steer's tail).

"Everybody rolls their eyes when you say gay rodeo," says Ken Pool, 42, a gay cowboy, "but the animals aren't gay. It's just as tough as any other rodeo."

And gay sports have nearly as many controversies as straight ones, including steroids, under-the-table payments and those full-body Speedo swimsuits in the Olympics. "We're aghast at those," says Tyler Schnoebelen, a gay water polo player. "We all cheer louder for the normal Speedos."

At the Gay Softball World Series in Washington, D.C., in August, the Houston team protested that the Atlanta team had two more straight players than the two allowed under tournament rules. How do you go about proving you are gay during a softball game?

Look, ump! My batting gloves match my spikes! Didn't you see me tidying up the dugout between innings? I'm dying to be out!

There were many votes for more pictures of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Mike Alstott, the Minnesota Timberwolves' Wally Szczerbiak, Fox's Troy Aikman, and the center-quarterback exchange. Oh, and singer Melissa Etheridge wanted anything to do with Serena Williams. "The woman is a goddess," she said, sighing.

And Zeigler, well, he had more advice -- on how to make sports more gay-friendly.

1) "Why can't the NFL throw some Internet cameras in their locker rooms?" he said. "I mean, [Denver Broncos wide receiver] Ed McCaffrey would make any straight man gay."
2) "All tennis players need to wear their shirts like Andy Roddick. You get to see his belly button with every stroke!"
3) "TV needs to show more fraternity guys in the stands with their shirts off. All we see are shots of [Utah coach] Rick Majerus!"
The point of all this was supposed to be that Queer Nation loves sports too and competes as fiercely as straights. The only difference seems to be that gays often celebrate their hard-fought victories by immediately going to the sweater department at Saks.
You know, I'm growing kind of fond of this outfit.
Issue date: November 10, 2003


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