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HonestChieffan 12-03-2012 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Goldmember (Post 9177585)
I don't really know where I stand on this issue. I don't own a gun but I'm thinking of getting a hand gun for personal protection. I've gone to shooting ranges a couple of times, but would take hand gun training classes if I bought one. If confronted with a situation where my life or my family was at danger, I'm not sure how I'd react. If you hesitate to shoot the bad guy, you may die. I have a pretty bad temper and I think a gun could get me into trouble. There were times during my divorce (20 years ago) I had some pretty bad thoughts of what to do to my ex-wife. If I had a gun, it I might have gone through with it and could have ended up like Belcher. It was one of the low points of my life, but I sought out counseling because I didn't feel in control of my anger.

In regards to the pro gun people, how do you explain the high number of deaths by guns in the US compared to other countries? The statistics seem to support tighter gun controls, or is this just twisted information?

Below is a US state by state comparison-

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...deaths/69354/#
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...a-is-safer-now

orth reading since they reference data that is newer than 2007. The dude at the Atlantic was doing a history lesson, not reporting.

notorious 12-03-2012 07:23 PM
Emotional subject for an emotional crowd.

Iowanian 12-03-2012 07:24 PM
Maybe he should be focusing on abuse of prescription drugs mixed with booze benders, appropriate separation techniques and spousal abuse.

Focus on the shit that actually caused this mess.

If any inanimate object helped cause this, it wasn't the gun.

KCTitus 12-03-2012 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Goldmember (Post 9177585)
...In regards to the pro gun people, how do you explain the high number of deaths by guns in the US compared to other countries? The statistics seem to support tighter gun controls, or is this just twisted information?

Below is a US state by state comparison-

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...deaths/69354/#
It's a bit misleading when you take into account population. It would be more accurate if you looked at urban/rural populations versus statewide. The most restrictive gun laws are in NYC and DC. They're typically highest when you look at cities versus states. In any event, Im willing to take my chances...its my free liberty at stake. Someone wants to perpetrate crime on me, they better be ready for a gun fight.

saphojunkie 12-03-2012 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9177512)
What Jason doesn't get was Belcher shot her nine times that is rage. She was gonna die with or without a gun.
I totally agree.

notorious 12-03-2012 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 9177664)
Maybe he should be focusing on abuse of prescription drugs mixed with booze benders, appropriate separation techniques and spousal abuse.

Focus on the shit that actually caused this mess.

If any inanimate object helped cause this, it wasn't the gun.
Guns get a lot more attention a.k.a readers.

Goldmember 12-03-2012 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 9177652)
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...a-is-safer-now

orth reading since they reference data that is newer than 2007. The dude at the Atlantic was doing a history lesson, not reporting.
I may have missed something here, but there's nothing in this article to indicate more guns equates to less crime.

Iowanian 12-03-2012 07:31 PM
I wonder if Whitlock or Bob Costas were banging the gong for Knife Control when OJ killed his wife and her boyfriend.....or when Ray Lewis' posse killed people after the superbowl.......

saphojunkie 12-03-2012 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KCTitus (Post 9177669)
It's a bit misleading when you take into account population. It would be more accurate if you looked at urban/rural populations versus statewide. The most restrictive gun laws are in NYC and DC. They're typically highest when you look at cities versus states. In any event, Im willing to take my chances...its my free liberty at stake. Someone wants to perpetrate crime on me, they better be ready for a gun fight.
What you need to do here is point people to Switzerland. They have a higher gun ownership rate and almost no gun violence.

Then he comes back with how Switzerland also has much stricter gun laws.

Then you come back with our gun laws work perfectly when people follow them. Swiss gun laws work because they have a manageable population and less crime in general.

Goldmember 12-03-2012 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KCTitus (Post 9177669)
It's a bit misleading when you take into account population. It would be more accurate if you looked at urban/rural populations versus statewide. The most restrictive gun laws are in NYC and DC. They're typically highest when you look at cities versus states. In any event, Im willing to take my chances...its my free liberty at stake. Someone wants to perpetrate crime on me, they better be ready for a gun fight.
You see, it's self-perpetuating. "They have guns, so I need guns". That's why I'm thinking of getting a gun, and to take out zombies during the apocalypse.

Spott 12-03-2012 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9177512)
What Jason doesn't get was Belcher shot her nine times that is rage. She was gonna die with or without a gun.
Yeah, in a fit of rage he could have just as easily killed her with his bare hands especially considering the physical shape that he was in.

Iowanian 12-03-2012 07:33 PM
I'd rather point them to Chicago or Washington DC which have the toughest gun regulation in the country and highest crime and murder rates.

notorious 12-03-2012 07:34 PM
NRA is the KKK.


Words can not explain the level of stupidity in that.

KCTitus 12-03-2012 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9177697)
Then you come back with our gun laws work perfectly when people follow them....
Bingo! The law abiding follow the laws, the lawless dont. Which is why the need for the citizens to have guns. You got it!

I'll excuse the 'manageable population' comments...I'll let it go.

saphojunkie 12-03-2012 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 9177707)
I'd rather point them to Chicago or Washington DC which have the toughest gun regulation in the country and highest crime and murder rates.
Not as effective, as the gun control is because of the crime and not vice-versa. But still a valid point.


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