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Shields and Culp in the Hall of Fame Semifinals - no Albert Lewis
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Shields and Culp in the Hall of Fame Semifinals - no Albert Lewis
Shields is an automatic, and Culp is automatic since he's in the senior nominations. However, I'm concerned that Lewis is not a semi-finalist this year. It's a step backwards for him.
Another concern is that the first-year nominees are Larry Allen, Jonathan Ogden, Warren Sapp, and Michael Strahan. That's a tough group for Will Shields to compete with since two of them get a lot of media coverage and another one is a guard with some Super Bowl rings. (Ogden doesn't worry me since he wasn't in Will's league.) This is kind of a scary situation for Will because we've got some overdue people like Greene and Carter, some media people who will get preferential treatment like Bettis, Sapp, and Strahan, and some undeserving but relatively high-profile skill position people waiting in line like Andre Reed and Tim Brown CLASS OF 2013 17 FINALISTS LARRY ALLEN Guard/Tackle 6-3, 325 Sonoma State, Butte Junior College (CA) 1994-2005 Dallas Cowboys, 2006-07 San Francisco 49ers 14 seasons, 203 games Selected by Cowboys in 2nd round (46th player overall) of 1994 draft Versatile, played every position on offensive line except center during 12 seasons with Dallas Led way in second season for Emmitt Smith who set Cowboys franchise record with 1,773 yards Started at right guard in two NFC championship games and Super Bowl XXX victory Named NFL Alumnis Offensive Lineman of the Year in 1997 and the NFL Players Association NFC Lineman of the Year twice (1996-97) Named first-team All-Pro seven straight years First-team All-NFC six times, second-team once Moved to tackle late in 1997 and entire 1998 season, earned All-Pro honors at position Signed as free agent with San Francisco in 1996 First season with 49ers led way for Frank Gore who set team single-season rushing record (1,695 yards) Elected to 11 Pro Bowls Named to NFL All-Decade Teams of 1990s and 2000s Born November 27, 1971 in Los Angeles, California. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY JEROME BETTIS Running Back 5-11, 243 Notre Dame 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers 13 seasons, 192 games Selected by Rams in 1st round (10th player overall) of 1993 draft Earned Rookie of Year honors ... Finished rookie season with seventh best rookie rushing total in league history... As rookie finished second in rushing yards and third in total yards from scrimmage ... First Rams rookie to rush for 1,000 yards since Eric Dickerson, 1983 Rams leading rusher 1993-95 Steelers leading rusher 1996-2001, 2003-04 Steelers leader in total yards from scrimmage, 1996-2001 His fifty 100-plus yard games ranks 1st in Steelers history At time of retirement, his eight 1,000-plus yard seasons was tied for third-best in NFL history and his 13,662 ranked fifth all-time in career rushing yards Ranked 19th all-time in combined net yards at time of retirement Voted to Pro Bowl six times: 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2005 Named All-Pro in 1993 (AP, PFWA), 1996 (AP); All-Pro Second Team 1997 (AP); All-NFC 1993 (UPI, PW); All-AFC 1996 (UPI, PW), 1997 (PW) Born February 16, 1972 in Detroit, Michigan. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY TIM BROWN Wide Receiver/Kick Returner/Punt Returner 6-0, 195 Notre Dame 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 17 seasons, 255 games Heisman Trophy Winner Selected by Raiders in 1st round (6th player overall) of 1988 draft As rookie led NFL in kickoff returns, return yards, and yards per return average Led NFL in receptions, 1997 Set Raiders franchise records for receptions, receiving yards, and punt return yards At time of retirement his 14,934 receiving yards were second-highest total in NFL history; 1,094 receptions were 3rd; and 100 touchdown catches were tied for 3rd Also gained 190 rushing yards; 3,320 punt return yards, 3 fumble return yards; 1,235 kickoff return yards Total of 19,682 combined net yards, 5th all-time at time of retirement Scored 105 total touchdowns (100 receiving, 1 rushing, 3 punt returns, 1 kickoff return) Voted to Pro Bowl nine times, 1989 and 1992 as kick returner, 1994-98, 2000 and 2002 as a receiver All-Pro choice as a kick returner, 1988 All-Pro wide receiver, 1997 Was named All-AFC as a kick returner, 1988, punt returner, 1991, and wide receiver, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997 Born July 22, 1966 in Dallas, Texas. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY CRIS CARTER Wide Receiver 6-3, 202 Ohio State 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins 16 seasons, 234 games Selected by Philadelphia in the 4th round of the 1987 Supplemental Draft First reception as a pro was a 22-yard touchdown catch Durable; he played a full 16-game season in 13 of his 16 seasons In 2000, became only the second player in NFL history to catch 1,000 career passes Recorded 1,000 receiving yards in a season eight straight years Broke the 100-yard receiving plateau 42 times during his career Ranked second on the NFL's all-time list for total receptions (1,101) and receiving touchdowns (130) at retirement His 130 TD receptions came from 13 different passers Caught 70-plus passes in 10 seasons His 122 receptions in 1994 was a then-NFL single-season-record Named to the NFLs All-Decade Team of the 1990s and received the 1999 NFL Man of the Year Award In 2002, returned to the field when he joined the Miami Dolphins in midseason when injuries decimated teams receiving corps Was first- or second-team All-Pro 1994, 1995, and 1999 Selected to play in eight Pro Bowls (1994-2001) Born November 25, 1965, in Troy, Ohio. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY CURLEY CULP Defensive Tackle 6-2, 265 Arizona State 1968-1974 Kansas City Chiefs, 1974-1980 Houston Oilers, 1980-81 Detroit Lions 14 seasons, 179 games Selected in 2nd round (31st player overall) in 1968 draft by Denver Broncos Denver attempted to switch him to offense before trading him to Chiefs during training camp Fit in perfectly with Chiefs dominating defense Member of teams Super Bowl IV championship team in second season, Started at left defensive tackle in Super Bowl win over Vikings and registered three tackles, one assisted tackle Dealt to Houston Oilers in blockbuster trade during 1974 season Key veteran leader with 11.5 sacks to help Oilers to 10-4-0 record in his first full season with club Winning record in 75 was Oilers first winning season in eight years and just second in 13 seasons . Named NFLs Defensive Player of the Year by Newspaper Enterprise Association, 1975 Culp led defense that helped Oilers earn back-to-back appearances in AFC championship game, 1978-79 Named All-Pro, 1975 All-Pro Second Team 1971, 1977, 1978, and 1979 . First- or second-team All-AFC five times Elected to six Pro Bowls Born March 10, 1946 in Yuma, Arizona. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY EDWARD J. DEBARTOLO, JR. Owner Notre Dame 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers Purchased 49ers in 1977 with vision to create top-notch organization, on and off field Known as a "players owner, led franchise to unprecedented winning during tenure In 1979, hired Bill Walsh as teams head coach, drafted quarterback Joe Montana, and created atmosphere conducive to winning Fortunes of franchise changed soon thereafter In 1981, 49ers finished 13-3 to claim NFC Western Division title and won hard fought playoff battles with New York Giants, Dallas Cowboys and capped the year with a thrilling 26-21 victory over Cincinnati Bengals in Super Bowl XVI DeBartolo infused team roster with talent that resulted in San Francisco enjoying amazing string of winning seasons Team averaged 13 wins per season, including playoffs, during a span from 1981 to 1998 (not including strike-shortened 1982 season). During DeBartolos ownership team claimed 13 division titles, made 16 playoff appearances, advanced to NFC championship game 10 times, and was first franchise ever to win five Super Bowls (XVI, XIX, XXIII, XXIV, XXIX) Franchise posted the best winning percentage in NFL in both the decades of the 1980s and 1990s Was named NFL Man of the Year by Football News, 1989 as the nations top sports executive DeBartolo was also highly respected inside NFL circles and served on leagues realignment and expansion committees Born November 6, 1946 in Youngstown, Ohio. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY KEVIN GREENE Linebacker/Defensive End 6-3, 247 Auburn 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers 15 seasons, 228 games Selected by Rams in 5th round (113th player overall) in 1985 draft ... Played primarily on special teams as rookie, only season he didnt register a sack Did not have any starts in second season, but played in all 16 games and managed seven sacks Added 6.5 sacks in 1987 and by fourth season was bona fide pass rusher for Rams, registering career-high 16.5 sacks, including career-best 4.5 sacks in win over 49ers in season finale that clinched playoff spot for Rams Following year matched his 16.5 sacks total Had double-digit sack totals 10 times, second in record book at the time Only time missed recording 10 sacks in any of last eight seasons was 1995 when he had team-leading nine sacks for Steelers Named to Pro Bowl five times (once with the Rams, twice with Steelers and Panthers) Selected first-team All-Pro, 1989 with Rams, 1994 with Pittsburgh and 1996 with Carolina Captured league sack title twice, 1994 and 1996 A member of NFLs All-Decade Team of 1990s Played in six conference championship games and one Super Bowl Led team in sacks 11 times and amassed 160 total sacks, third all-time at time of retirement Also had three safeties, 26 opponent fumble recoveries, and five interceptions Born July 31, 1962 in New York, New York. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY CHARLES HALEY Defensive End/Linebacker 6-5, 242 James Madison 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys 12 seasons, 169 games Selected by 49ers in 4th round (96th player overall) in 1986 draft Only player in NFL history to play on five winning Super Bowl teams (XXIII, XXIV, XXVII, XXVIII, XXX) Began career at linebacker and led 49ers in sacks in each of first six seasons Recorded four double-digit sack totals with 49ers including 12 as rookie and career-high 16 in 1990 Moved to defensive end after trade to Dallas Added two more double-digit sack seasons, 1994, 1995 Suffered serious back injury, limited to just five games, 1996 Retired after undergoing surgery After a two-year hiatus, signed with 49ers as backup defensive end for two playoff games in 1998 In 1999 came back for final season, added three sacks to finish career with 100.5 Twice named NFC Defensive Player of the Year (1990, 1994), voted to five Pro Bowls, named All-Pro twice, once as linebacker, once as defensive end Played in six NFC championship games over seven seasons Starting at left outside linebacker in 49ers 1988, 1989, 1990 championship games; at right defensive end in Cowboys 1992, 1993, 1994 conference championships Member of 10 division championship teams during his 12 seasons Born January 6, 1964 in Gladys, Virginia. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY ART MODELL Owner 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2011 Baltimore Ravens Spent 43 seasons of full ownership in NFL Purchased Browns in 1961 for unprecedented $4 million By 1964, club won NFL championship with dominating 27-0 victory over Baltimore Colts Also played in league championship in 1965, 1968, 1969 Served as NFL President, 1967-69 Integral in breaking impasse for realignment after AFL-NFL merger Influential chairman of the NFLs Broadcast Committee for 31 years (1962-1993) Negotiated major network contracts that set standard for all of professional sports Integral in establishing Monday Night Football series, 1970 Cleveland earned seven playoff berths during 1980s Advanced to AFC championship game three times in four seasons, 1986-89 Relocated team to Baltimore, 1996; franchise remained in Cleveland Five seasons later, Ravens defeated New York Giants 34-7 in Super Bowl XXXV In all, Browns made seven NFL/AFC championship game appearances; Ravens played in three AFC championship appearance during Modells tenure Sold majority ownership of Ravens in 2004, stayed part of ownership group until his death Born June 23, 1925 in Brooklyn, New York Died September 6, 2012, at age of 87. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY JONATHAN OGDEN Tackle 6-9, 345 UCLA 1996-2007 Baltimore Ravens 12 seasons, 177 games First-ever draft pick by Ravens Taken in 1st round (4th player overall) in 1996 draft Won Outland Trophy Award as top lineman in college Instant starter for Baltimore, earned All-Rookie honors Leader of offensive line that helped Ravens amass more than 5,000 yards of offense in back-to-back seasons, 1996-97 Noted as strong pass protector as well as effective run blocker Led way for running back Jamal Lewis who became fifth player in NFL history to rush for 2000 yards in a season, 2003 Key blocker for Lewis then-record 295 rushing yards versus Cleveland Browns, Sept. 14, 2003 Started at left tackle in Ravens 16-3 win over Oakland Raiders in 2000 AFC Championship Game and 34-7 victory over New York Giants in Super Bowl XXXV NFL Alumnis NFL Offensive Lineman of the Year, 2002 Named All-Pro in 1997, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2006 Earned All-AFC honors nine times Voted to 11 Pro Bowls Selected to the NFLs All-Decade Team of 2000s Born July 31, 1974 in Washington, D.C. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY BILL PARCELLS Coach Colgate, Wichita State 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-1996 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys 19 seasons, 303 games Regular season record: 172-130-1 Postseason record: 11-8 Overall record: 183-138-1 Parcells reversed the fortunes of four NFL teams After a 3-12-1 season (1983), he took Giants to playoffs twice as Wild Card In 1986 led Giants to 14-2 record and defeated Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XXI Led Giants to NFC Eastern Division title in 1989 In 1990 won second world championship with dramatic victory over Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXV Left coaching for two years, returning in 1993 with New England Patriots Within two years led Patriots to playoffs after seven-year absence Two years later, 11-5 Patriots were AFC representative in Super Bowl XXXI In 1997 took over 1-15 New York Jets and led them to 9-7 record in 1997, 12-4 record and AFC championship game in 1998 for the best two-year turnaround of a 1-15 team in NFL history Coached Dallas Cowboys from 2003 until 2006 Became first coach to coach four different teams into the playoffs when his 10-6 Cowboys played in the 2003 Wild Card Game NFL Coach of the Year 1986, 1994 Born August 22, 1941 in Englewood, New Jersey. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY ANDRE REED Wide Receiver 6-2, 190 Kutztown 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins 16 seasons, 234 games Selected by Buffalo in 4th round (86th player overall) of 1985 NFL Draft Most prolific receiver in Buffalo Bills history His 941 career receptions still Bills record and 266 more than number two on that list His 13,095 career reception yardage, 36 games with 100-plus receiving yards, and 15 catches in a game are current team records Known for his yards after catch His 951 career receptions were third all-time in NFL history at the time of his retirement His 13 seasons, including nine consecutive, with 50-plus receptions was exceeded only by Jerry Rice at time of Reeds retirement Reed is tied with Bills running back Thurman Thomas for team best career touchdowns (87), most on passes from Jim Kelly Kelly-Reed tandem held NFL record for career receptions (663) until 2004 when eclipsed by Peyton Manning to Marvin Harrison Known for toughness as he made most of his receptions over the middle A four-time All-AFC choice and three-time All-NFL second-team, was selected to play in seven consecutive Pro Bowls (1989-1995) Added an additional 85 catches for 1,229 yards, including five 100-yard games in postseason play Born January 29, 1964 in Allentown, Pennsylvania. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY DAVE ROBINSON Linebacker 6-3, 245 Penn State 1963-1972 Green Bay Packers, 1973-74 Washington Redskins 12 seasons, 155 games Selected in 1st round (14th player overall) by Packers in 1963 NFL Draft Chosen in 3rd round (17th player overall) by San Diego Chargers in AFL Draft Signed with Green Bay and quickly built reputation as big-play performer on Vince Lombardi-coached Packers dynasty Started at left outside linebacker in three straight NFL championship wins, 1965-67 Starting OLB in Packers victories in Super Bowls I and II Recorded two tackles, five assisted tackles, one fumble recovery and pass defensed in Green Bays 33-14 win over Oakland Raiders, Super Bowl II Rebounded from Achilles tendon injury in 1970 to regain form as one of games finest linebackers Intercepted 27 passes which he returned for 449 yards in career Lone interception return for touchdown came in first season with Washington Named All-Pro second-team in 1968 and 1969 First-team All-NFL selection three straight seasons, 1967-69 Elected to three Pro Bowls Named to the NFLs All-Decade Team of the 1970s Born May 3, 1941 in Mt. Holly, New Jersey. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY WARREN SAPP Defensive Tackle 6-2, 300 Miami (FL) 1995-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Oakland Raiders 13 seasons, 198 games Selected in first round (12th player overall) by Tampa Bay in 1995 NFL Draft Instant starter Named to All-Rookie Team, 1995 Amassed 96.5 career sacks despite playing on interior of defensive line Recorded double-digit sack totals four times Had more than one sack in a game 23 times Named 1999 NFL Defensive Player of the Year after helping lead Tampa Bay to first division title in 18 years Registered 12.5 sacks, 54 tackles, three forced fumbles, and recovered two fumbles, 1999 Recorded career-high 16.5 sacks, 2000 Started in two NFC championship games, one Super Bowl Recorded two tackles, one sack, two passes defensed, and forced fumble in Bucs 48-21 win over Raiders, Super Bowl XXXVII Additional career statistics include four interceptions, two touchdown receptions First-team All-Pro four straight times (1999-2002) Second-team All-NFL in 1997, 1998 All-NFC five times Selected to seven Pro Bowls Named to NFLs All-Decade Teams of the 1990s, 2000s Born December 19, 1972 in Orlando, Florida. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY WILL SHIELDS Guard 6-3, 320 Nebraska 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs 14 seasons, 224 games Selected by Chiefs in 3rd round (74th player overall) of 1993 draft Placed into lineup in first NFL game after starting left guard suffered injury Next week was inserted as starting right guard Started every game from that point through retirement Never missed a game during 14-season career, 224 games played, 223 starts are franchise records As rookie helped Chiefs to an 11-5-0 mark and AFC Western Division crown, first division title for team since 1971 Chiefs won four division titles and made six playoff appearances during Shields career Earned 12 straight Pro Bowl berths Named first-team All-Pro in 1999, 2002, and 2003, picked as second-team All-Pro four times Was All-AFC seven times including each of final six seasons Chiefs led NFL in total yards gained in 2004 and 2005 and topped AFC in that category in 2003 Led NFL in points scored in 2002 and 2003 highlighted by running back Priest Holmes then-record 27 rushing touchdowns in 03 In 1994, Chiefs offensive line established a franchise record allowing a mere 19 sacks A member of the NFLs All-Decade Team of the 2000s Joined Hall of Fame linebacker Derrick Thomas in 1999 as only active players named to Chiefs 40th Anniversary Team Born September 15, 1971 in Fort Riley, Kansas. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY MICHAEL STRAHAN Defensive End 6-5, 255 Texas Southern 1993-2007 New York Giants 15 seasons, 216 games Selected in 2nd round (40th player overall) in 1993 draft Dominant pass rusher and also excellent at defending the run Recorded 141.5 career sacks Had 38 multi-sack games during career Registered double-digit sack totals six times during nine-season span, 1997-2005 Suffered torn pectoral muscle in 2004 but rebounded following season by starting all 16 games and amassing 11.5 sacks Named first-team All-Pro five times (1997, 1998, 2001, 2003, 2005) All-NFC five seasons Voted to seven Pro Bowls Set NFL single-season sack record with 22.5 sacks, 2001 Also won NFL sack title in 2003 with 18.5 sacks Named unanimous NFL Defensive Player of the Year, 2001 Started at left defensive end in two NFC championship game wins, two Super Bowls Recorded two tackles, one assisted tackle, one sack and one pass defensed in Giants 17-14 win over Patriots in Super Bowl XLII, his last NFL game Selected to the NFLs All-Decade Team of the 2000s Born November 21, 1971 in Houston, Texas. FULL BIO | PHOTO GALLERY AENEAS WILLIAMS Cornerback/Safety 5-11, 194 Southern University 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams 14 seasons, 211 games Selected in the 3rd round (59th player overall) of 1991 NFL Draft One of finest defensive backs ever Starred at cornerback for first 12 years of career before moving to safety Earned Pro Bowl nods at both positions, seven times at cornerback and once as safety Had first career pick and four deflected passes in NFL debut Finished year tied for most interceptions in NFC with six, also recorded 17 passes defensed, 48 tackles Named NFC Defensive Rookie of the Year by NFL Players Association Earned Pro Bowl nod and All-NFC acclaim for first time in 1994 when he added another conference interception title with career-high nine interceptions Named first-team All-NFC 1995, 1996, 1997, and 2001 Selected to NFLs All-Decade Team 1990s Recorded interception in every season but last and had five or more picks in a season six times Led Cardinals in interceptions seven times and Rams leading interceptor in 2003 In all, registered 55 interceptions for 807 yards His nine pick-sixes tied him for second all-time at time of retirement Shared NFL record for longest fumble return in upset victory over Redskins Nov. 5, 2000, 104 yards for a TD Recorded interception in record four straight postseason games during span from 1998 to 2001 Started at left cornerback for St. Louis in 2001 NFC Championship Game and Super Bowl XXXVI Born January 29, 1968 in New Orleans, Louisiana. 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I would vote for Curly.
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In order of merit, I would vote for:
Cris Carter Kevin Greene Will Shields Larry Allen Curley Culp (as much for his pioneering role as his performance) Aeneas Williams (I'm on the fence about him, but give him the benefit of the doubt.) |
Will Shields
Curley Culp Bill Parcells Kevin Greene almost went with Charles Haley over Kevin Greene |
Larry Allen and Will Shields were arguably the most dominate OGs of their generation. I think they should both go in as quickly as possible. Larry Allen just erased people.
Parcells is a no-brainer...yes. Culp deserves it as well...he has never been as appreciated as he deserves to be nationally. |
i put art in .. if ya want a owner he was decent .....
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Jonathan Ogden
Michael Strahan Warren Sapp Chris Carter Larry Allen - sorry he was better than Will |
So the wisdom of Chiefsplanet says that this year's inductees will be:
Will Shields Michael Strahan Bill Parcells Cris Carter Possible Warren Sapp Outside shot for Jonathan Ogden and Larry Allen I'm surprised at the lack of love for Aeneas Williams and Kevin Greene. It surprises me a little on a Chiefs board that Curley Culp didn't get the votes, but then again he achieved his fame as an Oiler. |
Shields, Ogden, Bettis, Parcells.
All four should be able to walk right in. |
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They should make an exception and let Thigpen in as an active player.
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I'll be shocked if Shields gets in before Allen. Not because he's not deserving but that Allen is considered the best guard of his generation AND he won Super Bowls in Dallas.
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