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Easy 6 11-15-2013 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10190429)
You're leaving out two key things:

1) "In the regular season..." The QB you're describing can be successful in the regular season, but there is an expiration date on the effectiveness of this approach.

2) Alex Smith's problem isn't that he avoids passes he isn't sure of... it's that he isn't sure of FAR too many passes. When everyone who watches All-22 (or is watching receivers downfield live, from up top) comments that Alex Smith is leaving a LOT of open plays and throws out there for no reason, that's a legitimate problem. It's not just a matter of protecting the ball. It's a matter of focusing SO much on protecting the football you neglect easy chances.

And it's not like he can't physically make the plays or throws. He can. He's just, to put it frankly, chicken shit, when it comes to throwing the ball.
If he sucks out loud in these last seven games and into the playoffs, i'll listen... until then, i'm behind the QB who's help was pivotal in turning around a historic shitshow.

keg in kc 11-15-2013 05:06 PM
Why no love?

Probably 'cause he's not very good.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10190441)
If he sucks out loud in these last seven games and into the playoffs, i'll listen... until then, i'm behind the QB who's help was pivotal in turning around a historic shitshow.
What if he just does the same thing and the offense remains inept throughout the rest of the season, culminating in a 20-9 playoff loss in which the offense again fails to consistently move the ball, with a horrible third down conversion rate and several missed big play opportunities in the passing game?

Easy 6 11-15-2013 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10190453)
What if he just does the same thing and the offense remains inept throughout the rest of the season, culminating in a 20-9 playoff loss in which the offense again fails to consistently move the ball, with a horrible third down conversion rate and several missed big play opportunities in the passing game?
What If scenarios are the Planets bread and butter, i get that... but what if we mostly get the guy from the second half of the NY game, or the guy who's led two 98 yard scoring drives and kept his defense outta the crapper?

All either of us can say right now is... we'll see... anything beyond that is pointless.

trndobrd 11-15-2013 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10190453)
What if he just does the same thing and the offense remains inept throughout the rest of the season, culminating in a 20-9 playoff loss in which the offense again fails to consistently move the ball, with a horrible third down conversion rate and several missed big play opportunities in the passing game?
The Smith will still be the best FA available when Reid/Dorsey took the reins, was able to stabilize the franchise, and got the Chiefs to the 8-8 season we were all hoping for.

Baby Lee 11-15-2013 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10190159)
We could have found literally any doof off the street to be 33rd in the NFL in yards per completion.
- Claynus Pioli

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10190459)
What If scenarios are the Planets bread and butter, i get that... but what if we mostly get the guy from the second half of the NY game, or the guy who's led two 98 yard scoring drives and kept his defense outta the crapper?

All either of us can say right now is... we'll see... anything beyond that is pointless.
If we get that guy? And he plays like that for the rest of the season?

I'll be: 1) relieved/happy; 2) excited; 3) on board with the trade.

Easy 6 11-15-2013 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10190474)
If we get that guy? And he plays like that for the rest of the season?

I'll be: 1) relieved/happy; 2) excited; 3) on board with the trade.
KEEP HOPE ALIVE/slams the pulpit

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by trndobrd (Post 10190465)
The Smith will still be the best FA available when Reid/Dorsey took the reins, was able to stabilize the franchise, and got the Chiefs to the 8-8 season we were all hoping for.
To the bolded: I - and many other hardcore Chiefs fans - couldn't care less about 8-8 or 10-6 or respectability unless it either includes playoff wins or is building towards them in some way.

To the best available statement... had Alex Smith been a FA and they'd signed him, I wouldn't bitch one iota about him. They traded a price for him that says they expected more than they were getting. Spent a bunch of time talking about having their "1.1." quarterback and franchise guy. Propping him up.

Turns out, at least so far, they could have done just as well signing Jason Campbell (or another vet QB who can avoid mistakes) and using those picks to build the team's roster even more (QB, young rush end, WR, etc).

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10190477)
KEEP HOPE ALIVE/slams the pulpit
Man of science here. I'll have hope, but need tangible evidence to have faith.

Ace Gunner 11-15-2013 05:39 PM
They can barely dink/dunk with this shit OL. the interior OL needs to get going or the PB will remain focused on getting the ball out before the QB gets clobbered by 300 lbs sledge hammers all day.

Tribal Warfare 11-15-2013 05:40 PM
In all honesty this game will have a playoff feel to it considering the Broncos want/need the #1 overall seed. I wouldn't be surprised they'll go for legit kill shots on Alex to injure him.

Ace Gunner 11-15-2013 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10190507)
In all honesty this game will have a playoff feel to it considering the Broncos want/need the #1 overall seed. I wouldn't be surprised they'll go for legit kill shots on Alex to injure him.
absolutely -- these teams are jogging for position from now on. actually, all good teams play their division foes as if it's about playoffs during every game of the season, because that is exactly what will dictate playoffs.

the cool thing here is that we will see this defense at full go now -- Sutton is going to open the book for this game. If the Chiefs can start getting blocking production early instead of late, we will see Reid open the book for the offense also, but I would not hold a lot of hope for that because the interior OL is crap. Hudson is too ****ing small and too slow to make up for it. He's no Case W.

O.city 11-15-2013 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10190284)
A QB whose primary asset is ball protection will win a LOT of regular season games when paired with a good or great defense. There's no doubt about that, and the 90s in KC are a great example of that.

I think the disrespect Alex Smith gets is because he avoids making a lot of plays that would be the difference between his teams being great regular season teams and great postseason teams. People respect - and covet - QBs who make plays in the postseason and lead their team in that regard.

Just protecting the ball and letting the D, ST and run game win the game is not enough against elite teams, and most NFL fans and writers realize that.
What the Chiefs did in the 90's has no bearing on what's going on this season. The NFL has changed in multiple ways compared to then.

O.city 11-15-2013 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10190453)
What if he just does the same thing and the offense remains inept throughout the rest of the season, culminating in a 20-9 playoff loss in which the offense again fails to consistently move the ball, with a horrible third down conversion rate and several missed big play opportunities in the passing game?
Then we move on. Just like our front office and head coach have always done with any other QB they've had.


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