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What Fates Impose That Men Must Needs Abide. (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=207266)

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 5751048)

I believe in temporal causality. It is destiny in a sense, but there is no benevolent agenda that comes with it.

You've got a great many people here and elsewhere that support this thinking. Kind of a "we're just a big machine" type of thinking.

I can see some of the benefits of this belief system, but I can't seem to let go of the idea of morality. Where does the sense of right/wrong come from in this system?

If we're all just acting (with virtual will, and not actual will), then how can anyone be blamed for their actions? Why should anyone be punished for anything?

The most heinous murderers are just kinda following their program, right?

The other hitch I can't find a way through is that some people actually prefer their marshmallows burnt to a crisp. I can't see this resulting from any mathematical equation.

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Originally Posted by Groves (Post 5751277)

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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5748058)

Every event affects our future self in a tiny way, our experiences form us to make the decisions we do. you're asserting that every time we'd make the same decision. This may be true, but I think the value of choice lies in the fact that others wouldn't have made the same one

if your programming is bad other people should be protected from you. that's why people need to be held accountable for their actions, but it gets a lot hazier when you bring god into the question.
why would god make people with bad programming, you ask? whoa:doh!:
that's probably why most determinist theories don't contain god(correct me if i'm wrong)
for the record i'm not saying these are my hard core beliefs, i'm just theorizing