Joeckel vs. Fisher
 

Assuming we go LT to free up that cap space. In my humble opinion Joeckel anchors better but loses leverage in pass pro above the waist. His feet and awareness are impressive. Fisher plays with much more upper body strength and is a true mauler in the run game. Has a much tougher demeanor and appears to try harder. Now is this because he has to in order to make up for his technical flaws and lack of superior foot speed??

Either way it's 1 and 1a between the two but right now I'm liking Joeckel if we run a true Andy Reid pass happy offense and Fisher if we play off our existing run game strength.

Either is Ok. I think they will take Fisher though. Mayock says the Johnson kid is right there with them.

Erich fisher for me I think he is gonna be great. I still sign Albert and trade down get multiple picks this year and next :)

Both of these players are Excellent and deserve to fight over the #1 Pick. I give the edge to Joeckel. His game films are remarkable. Have any of you taken the time to look at them?

I'd take Fisher.

I've taken an extensive look at Fisher and at Joeckel in lengthy threads, which include ample clips.

Feel free to peruse them and decide for yourself.

Long story short: Fisher's more athletic and quicker. I'd go with him.

Here's the question that bothers me. If we sign Albert is there any need at all to sign a tackle. Albert has stated he does not want to be a guard. We have a developing beast at right tackle already. Can we move Asomough to guard and put Fisher at right tackle ? Or could we just make Fisher Left guard and have a beast of a line for Charles to run behind.

Why would you favor Joekel in the Reid pass happy offense when you just said he loses leverage in pass protection? Not trying to be argumentative here just sayin.

AND another difference is that if you hit Luke too hard he will cry and if you hit Eric harder he will just smile and say "F you bring it on bitch" !!!

Blue collar vs Silver spoon and I will take blue collar every time especially when playing the line.

If we resign Albert, we will be three deep at tackle, and all three of them are pretty good relative to their peers. Albert is a good left tackle, Winston a good right tackle, and Stephenson a quality backup.

There's no need to draft a tackle.

He holds up well in the passing game because he is always in the right position. Like I said earlier though, he is not a man handler (ala Sean Smith).

I concur

Go **** yourself OP.

That we would take a OT after picking Stephenson and Allen in the third and second round respectively, and signing Winston last free agency, that is the dumbest **** thing anyone has ever said.

And that we've now franchised Albert to go along with all the rest of that shit...

jesus stop dancing christ...

The OP was made before we tagged Albert you Saccoshit!

Geno still your #1 backup QB?

Lane Johnson

What I like about Luke Joeckel is his incredible base, balance and it's very tough to get around him. What I don't like is that hard bull rushes rock his world. He's not overly stout.

I think his weak points could be corrected in time. I think he'll be good to very good in the NFL in time. I am not sure he will ever be elite.

Very tough to compare the two. Joeckel held up very well against stout competition in the SEC while Fisher saw the likes of MAC opponents for the most part. I can't say I have an opinion one way or the other.

The other day on Path To the Draft, the talking heads there said they thought Fisher and Joeckel would be "solid pros" but not outstanding OTs. They thought Johnson had the highest ceiling but also the lowest floor. They said that Joeckel had the highest floor of all of the OT's .

I really don't want to take a "solid pro" at #1 but that may be all there is available.

The Chiefs prefer Joeckel over Fisher, according to Ian Rapoport.

Fisher it is, then.

The thing about Joeckel that rubs me the wrong way besides blocking for an extremely mobile QB is that he looks like a soft bitch. He's not built like a A grade OT, he may be a good technician but he doesn't look like a great athlete.

Exactly. Whenever I hear "technician" it is code for soft. I don't think Joeckel has a mean streak...I think he catches far too many blocks, and he's no better than average in his run blocking.

There is no way he is #1 pick in the draft material in my book.

My money is on the Chiefs selecting Fisher 1.1 and making him their RT. The truefans will boo and I will cheer.

The question is which 3-4 DE do we sign to replace Dorsey....Seymour?

STFU noob. If you cheer you are a truefan. dumbass.

missed my angle.

Anyone wish the Chiefs would have went with Joeckel in retrospect ?

I don't. He's soft imo.

It was the worst draft class in recent history ... it is what it is....

This. I don't get why a lot of fans just expect that there is a Peyton Manning or Elway every year? Just because a player is drafted #1 overall doesn't mean he's going to be an elite player. I saw some say that if Fisher or Joeckel would have come out in 2014 they would have gone around 13th. That's telling.....

Pretty much. Just chose the wrong year to suck. There wasn't a single top talent that year that didn't have a major red flag on them.

Joekel and Decastro?...

No.

Wish, just as I did during the draft, they'd have went with Sheldon Richardson

Sheldon Richardson
Eric Reid
Cordarelle Patteson

There were some top talents out there

That's a horseshit excuse.

There were plenty of good players in that draft. It's Dorsey's job to find the ones that aren't huge fat pussies that suck.

He failed.

You would spend the #1 overall pick on:

A DB who wasn't all-world in college and had issues in coverage.

A DL player who had character red flags.

And a raw WR?

As opposed to a tackle from the MAC?
No one would be criticizing the Chiefs had the selected any of those above mentioned players

I think he tries like all get out to find the best players for what he believes the team should do.

The Chiefs under Dorsey employ a very large scouting staff and they purportedly do some serious leg work on a lot of players. Then they input all that into advanced computer generated metrics that account for a veritable shit ton of stuff. (Chiefs are only NFL team using the Decision Lens system currently if I remember correctly.)

That's a combination of old school football accumen and modern analytics that is, at it's very minimum, impressive in it's scope and breadth.

However, his last two drafts have been what one could term "head scratchers" from a personnel perspective, especially the 2014 draft.

One could argue that the Fisher pick was based more on need than BPA, but there seemed to be a general consensus that he was a top three/five type of player in that draft. I do feel that he'll end up being a solid pro, barring injury, and he was progressing as the 2013 season wore on.

I believe that the standard mantra of "give him three years" should apply to Dorsey. His methodology is definitely different than the standard NFL GM and we'll see how it plays out. In fact, I'm happy to give him a five year window simply based on the Peterson/Herm + Pioli tenures. At least there is an improvement in culture and attitude at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

You could put Dee Milliner up there as well.

Packers use it as well.

I wish had gone with Star Lotulelei. Maybe they would have if he hadn't had the false red flag on the heart? Can you imagine Dontari and Star up there?

If we stayed put in 2011, we could have drafted Cameron Jordan instead of Jonathan Baldwin.

Star Lotulelei - Dontari Poe - Cameron Jordan

We would actually be a top 5 defense if we had that even with our shitty secondary.

Star is essentially Poe though, so thats a bit redundant.

However,

Sheldon Richardson, Poe, Jordan would be solid.

Hell, if we could switch it to a hybrid defense.

Hali - Star - Poe - Jordan

And have Houston coming off on blitzes, etc, like Von Miller from the OLB position. Drop DJ and everyone else into coverage, those 5 up front alone should be enough to slow down most rushing attacks with DJ spying. Poe next to Star would absolutely crush the interior of any OL.

If we had stayed put and drafted Cameron Jordan, we wouldn't have had the pick that got us Houston.

If the Chiefs would have picked a WR to compliment Bowe instead of potentially replace Bowe, they could have had Torrey Smith AND Justin Houston.

That would have been awesome.

Because....


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