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BossChief 01-07-2013 12:39 AM

Late Night Bullshit: Defensive Coordinators
 
I've heard lots of names thrown out there for offensive coordinators...but when it comes down to Reid's most important coaching hire, I haven't heard much.

I was hoping on the Rivera angle for awhile, but now that is off the table and his defensive staff was a joke (moving a good offensive line coach to dc) so there isn't much to try and pluck away that could be considered a good hire...

Who are some of the guys that make sense as our DC?

RealSNR 01-07-2013 12:41 AM

Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know why the **** Gunther Cunningham still has a job?

Sorter 01-07-2013 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9290947)
Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know why the **** Gunther Cunningham still has a job?

The Wide 9 is an exclusive club +Schwartz is german.

tk13 01-07-2013 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9290947)
Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know why the **** Gunther Cunningham still has a job?

Once he gets his guys in there, he's going to turn that defense around.

Buehler445 01-07-2013 12:43 AM

Is there any way to pay wade Phillips ten kazillion dollars and get him?

Dr. Johnny Fever 01-07-2013 12:44 AM

Romeo Crennel



































:evil:

Hammock Parties 01-07-2013 12:44 AM

This dude is ready.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1005...eene01_400.jpg

BossChief 01-07-2013 12:44 AM

Kevin Greene would make sense being he is a guy from GB and Dorsey is rumored to be our next gm.

Dr. Johnny Fever 01-07-2013 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9290952)
Is there any way to pay wade Phillips ten kazillion dollars and get him?

Sure. Write a check for ten kazillion dollars.

Hammock Parties 01-07-2013 12:45 AM

Kevin Greene would take Justin Houston and just make him rape entire worlds.

BossChief 01-07-2013 12:46 AM

Haha is Greg Lloyd coaching somewhere, too?

Sorter 01-07-2013 12:46 AM

Jim Tomsula
Reggie Herring
Bill Kollar
Kris Richard
Rocky Seto
Jim Leavitt

are all guys I'd interview

BossChief 01-07-2013 12:48 AM

I'm not familiar with most of those names...can you hook a playa up with a little info on them and why you like them?

RealSNR 01-07-2013 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9290955)
Kevin Greene would make sense being he is a guy from GB and Dorsey is rumored to be our next gm.

Dude fights like a pussy though

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RustShack 01-07-2013 12:51 AM

Mike Singletary?

The Franchise 01-07-2013 12:51 AM

I'd interview Mark Carrier.....Bengals DB coach.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9290959)
Jim Tomsula
Reggie Herring
Bill Kollar
Kris Richard
Rocky Seto
Jim Leavitt

are all guys I'd interview

This.

Although I'd through Kevin Butler on that list, if nothing else than to make the Rooney's overpay.

:evil:

RealSNR 01-07-2013 12:51 AM

Jim Leavitt is intriguing with his longtime head coaching tenure on the resume.

I know nothing about his ability to be a defensive coordinator or not, though.

Sassy Squatch 01-07-2013 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9290964)
Dude fights like a pussy though

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LMAO Houston is gonna piledrive some poor offensive lineman.

Sassy Squatch 01-07-2013 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9290965)
Mike Singletary?

Ive been thinking the same thing. Pretty bad as a head coach but hasnt ever been a DC. Could be a good hire.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9290966)
I'd interview Mark Carrier.....Bengals DB coach.

I'd really hate to switch back to the 4-3

KCrockaholic 01-07-2013 12:53 AM

Kevin Greene would be pretty bad ass IMO.

Sorter 01-07-2013 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9290967)
This.

Although I'd through Kevin Butler on that list, if nothing else than to make the Rooney's overpay.

:evil:

ROFL most certainly. Love that guy.

Sorter 01-07-2013 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9290968)
Jim Leavitt is intriguing with his longtime head coaching tenure on the resume.

I know nothing about his ability to be a defensive coordinator or not, though.

I really love how quickly he turned Bowman into a monster in coverage.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9290970)
Ive been thinking the same thing. Pretty bad as a head coach but hasnt ever been a DC. Could be a good hire.

Singletary would be a high school coach, if not for his name and connections.

**** him.

Sorter 01-07-2013 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9290972)
Kevin Greene would be pretty bad ass IMO.

Yeah, not a bad addition.

Sorter 01-07-2013 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9290975)
Singletary would be a high school coach, if not for his name and connections.

**** him.

He's a LB coach. No more.

mcaj22 01-07-2013 12:55 AM

yea Mike Singletary is ****ing terrible what are you people smoking

RustShack 01-07-2013 12:55 AM

Ed Donatell

Sassy Squatch 01-07-2013 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9290978)
yea Mike Singletary is ****ing terrible what are you people smoking

Alaskan thunder****

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9290979)
Ed Donatell

He sucks ****ing ass.

JFC, this is 2013, not 1997.

The Franchise 01-07-2013 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9290971)
I'd really hate to switch back to the 4-3

He was a DB coach for the Ravens ...so he has experience in the 3-4.

Sorter 01-07-2013 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9290983)
He was a DB coach for the Ravens ...so he has experience in the 3-4.

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The Franchise 01-07-2013 01:02 AM

Mark Carrier, a three-time Pro Bowl selection as an NFL safety, joined the Bengals on Feb. 13 of this year as defensive backs coach.*Carrier is entering his seventh year as an NFL position coach. He spent the last two seasons (2010-11) as defensive line coach for the New York Jets and was defensive backs coach for the Baltimore Ravens from 2006-09.“Mark is a great choice for us as he moves back to his old position, coaching the defensive secondary,” said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis. “He experienced success as a coach with two fine NFL defenses, and he will do very well with our group.”In 2011, Carrier’s defensive line helped the Jets finish fifth in the NFL in fewest yards allowed per game (312.1), fifth in fewest yards allowed per play (5.0) and seventh in fewest yards allowed per rushing play (3.9). In 2010, the Jets finished third in the NFL in fewest rushing yards allowed and third in fewest yards per rushing play.During Carrier’s term as defensive backs coach in Baltimore, the Ravens had the NFL’s second-most interceptions (93), with S Ed Reed performing as one of the league’s premier players. Reed earned Pro Bowl selections in each of his four years playing under Carrier, and in 2008, Reed was the only unanimous selection to the prestigious Associated Press All-Pro team.

RustShack 01-07-2013 01:04 AM

Dick Jauron.

Bump 01-07-2013 01:06 AM

no to Mike Singletary lolol wow

RunKC 01-07-2013 01:06 AM

Really like Ken Norton Jr. from Seattle if we go to the 4-3. I think he's done a great job at USC and Seattle.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9290983)
He was a DB coach for the Ravens ...so he has experience in the 3-4.

But he played in Buddy Ryan's 4-3 and is coaching in Zimmer's 4-3.

Personally, I don't see him as a fit.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9290989)
Dick Jauron.

No Dick

tk13 01-07-2013 01:09 AM

Bill Cowher! Jon Gruden as OC.

RustShack 01-07-2013 01:09 AM

John Pagano

RealSNR 01-07-2013 01:10 AM

Just throwing the name out there... think Dick Bumpas would make the move to the NFL? He's never coached anything on an NFL team before, not even as a position coach.

Sorter 01-07-2013 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9291001)
John Pagano

intradasting as he'll likely be available

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9291001)
John Pagano

Was he fired?

Sorter 01-07-2013 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9291006)
Was he fired?

I think he will be

RustShack 01-07-2013 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9291006)
Was he fired?

Well Norv was, so theres a decent shot the next coach lets him go.

chiefzilla1501 01-07-2013 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9290945)
I've heard lots of names thrown out there for offensive coordinators...but when it comes down to Reid's most important coaching hire, I haven't heard much.

I was hoping on the Rivera angle for awhile, but now that is off the table and his defensive staff was a joke (moving a good offensive line coach to dc) so there isn't much to try and pluck away that could be considered a good hire...

Who are some of the guys that make sense as our DC?

Ray Horton (if fired) - Zone Blitz
Reggie Herring or John Pagano - Wade Phillips 1-gap 3-4

I didn't realize Monte Kiffin was starting to run a lot more of the 4-3 Under. I'm not a big fan of his right now at his age and recent track record. But I'm really intrigued by his defense because it basically runs a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. This is a really good fit for the Chiefs right now.

Other guys to consider are Mark Pettine of the Jets who might have interest in running more of a 46 type look. I don't know if Ed Donatell would plan to run a 49ers version of the 3-4 -- my fear is as DC, he'd go back to a pure 4-3 and he wasn't overly successful in previous stints.

RustShack 01-07-2013 01:15 AM

Raheem Morris? Hes only been in the 3-4 one year though.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9291003)
Just throwing the name out there... think Dick Bumpas would make the move to the NFL? He's never coached anything on an NFL team before, not even as a position coach.

If you're going to go with an FBS, Manny Diaz would be my choice.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9291009)
I think he will be

I suppose it depends on the hire. If it's Holmgren, then Pagano's likely a goner.

If its Arians, he'll likely stay.

RustShack 01-07-2013 01:19 AM

Bob Slowik.

Sorter 01-07-2013 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9291017)
I suppose it depends on the hire. If it's Holmgren, then Pagano's likely a goner.

If its Arians, he'll likely stay.

True, true. I've been drinking and and being optimistic again. ROFL

chiefzilla1501 01-07-2013 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9291017)
I suppose it depends on the hire. If it's Holmgren, then Pagano's likely a goner.

If its Arians, he'll likely stay.

Good point. Arians will probably get a job somewhere and it's hard to imagine he wouldn't bring John Pagano as his DC. Even if it's not in San Diego. So that means he's probably not an option.

RealSNR 01-07-2013 01:24 AM

I'd love for Reggie Herring to get the job. I just don't know if Andy is connected to him that well.

Andy isn't exactly Pioli when it comes to only hiring people he knows, but he has like.... zero connections to the guy

RustShack 01-07-2013 01:25 AM

Remember when David Gibbs was highly thought of?

RunKC 01-07-2013 01:26 AM

Dick's defense in Chicago was 25th and 14th.
In Buffalo as HC, Dick's defense ranked 19th, 31st 14th

In Cleveland this the last 2 years, Dick's defense's ranked 10th 23rd.

Average at best. Do not want.

mcaj22 01-07-2013 01:28 AM

i will cry if its that turd stain Dick Jauron

RealSNR 01-07-2013 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9291024)
Remember when David Gibbs was highly thought of?

Dimtri Patterson FTW

Actually, I liked Gibbs a lot. It appears he has gotten the short end of the stick by the Texans when they made the DC switch.

Sorter 01-07-2013 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9291028)
Dimtri Patterson FTW

Actually, I liked Gibbs a lot. It appears he has gotten the short end of the stick by the Texans when they made the DC switch.

It appears to me they upgraded significantly; albeit they upgraded significantly in personnel as well.

Houston has a great balance currently of drafting players to fit their offensive and defensive philosophies recently.

RustShack 01-07-2013 01:35 AM

Kirby Smart.

RunKC 01-07-2013 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9291030)
It appears to me they upgraded significantly; albeit they upgraded significantly in personnel as well.

Houston has a great balance currently of drafting players to fit their offensive and defensive philosophies recently.

I'm very impressed with their front office and coaching staff because of this. Also jealous of Seattle's, even though Pete Carroll is a prick.

Sorter 01-07-2013 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9291031)
Kirby Smart.

While I like his blitz concepts, he still prefers to play 2-gap in too many situations for me to fully endorse. If he stated in an interview that he was going to utilize more 1-gap bases or zone-blitz in base packages, I'd definitely be more intrigued.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9291030)
It appears to me they upgraded significantly; albeit they upgraded significantly in personnel as well.

Houston has a great balance currently of drafting players to fit their offensive and defensive philosophies recently.

Their defense would be so much stronger if they hadn't lost Cushing

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9291033)
I'm very impressed with their front office and coaching staff because of this. Also jealous of Seattle's, even though Pete Carroll is a prick.

LMAO

Pete Carroll is not in any way, shape or form, a "prick".

Sorter 01-07-2013 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9291033)
I'm very impressed with their front office and coaching staff because of this. Also jealous of Seattle's, even though Pete Carroll is a prick.

I love Carroll. Definitely agree with the post though. If we can get Heckert + Dorsey, even if either leave in 2-3 years, I feel they will have done a great job in providing players that can be effective long term via the draft.

Sorter 01-07-2013 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9291035)
Their defense would be so much stronger if they hadn't lost Cushing

Totally.

melbar 01-07-2013 01:42 AM

Ray Lewis.

RunKC 01-07-2013 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9291037)
I love Carroll. Definitely agree with the post though. If we can get Heckert + Dorsey, even if either leave in 2-3 years, I feel they will have done a great job in providing players that can be effective long term via the draft.

http://gifs.gifbin.com/042009/123978...n-my-pants.gif

chiefzilla1501 01-07-2013 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9291025)
Dick's defense in Chicago was 25th and 14th.
In Buffalo as HC, Dick's defense ranked 19th, 31st 14th

In Cleveland this the last 2 years, Dick's defense's ranked 10th 23rd.

Average at best. Do not want.

Cleveland's defense hasn't been that bad considering the talent, considering the move from a 3-4 to a 4-3, and especially given how often the offense puts them in bad situations. Wouldn't like the Jauron hire because I don't want a 4-3, but he's not as bad as the stats may say. He's a decent DC with a good attacking style.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9291043)
Cleveland's defense hasn't been that bad considering the talent, considering the move from a 3-4 to a 4-3, and especially given how often the offense puts them in bad situations. Wouldn't like the Jauron hire because I don't want a 4-3, but he's not as bad as the stats may say. He's a decent DC with a good attacking style.

No thanks.

He's been around the league forever without ever finding any true success.

Sorter 01-07-2013 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9291049)
No thanks.

He's been around the league forever without ever finding any true success.

This. Do not want Jauron.

RustShack 01-07-2013 01:57 AM

So the top three realistic candidates are?

silver5liter 01-07-2013 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9291036)
LMAO

Pete Carroll is not in any way, shape or form, a "prick".

Idk dude seems like an asshole. Especially with the whole leaving usc suspended from bowls thing

booger 01-07-2013 01:58 AM

Winston Moss maybe

KC Hawks 01-07-2013 02:00 AM

I'd say Winston Moss, but I guess he's an assistant head coach.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9291055)
Idk dude seems like an asshole. Especially with the whole leaving usc suspended from bowls thing

That was on Reggie Bush and former Chief Mike Garrett.

Do you honestly think that Carroll knew about and condoned Bush's family receiving $250k and a beach side rental?

Hell, even O.J got to keep his Heisman.

booger 01-07-2013 02:04 AM

Darren Perry has been in both Pittsburgh and Green Bay but I'm not sure he is quite ready yet.

DaneMcCloud 01-07-2013 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 9291056)
Winston Moss maybe

Do you think he's even remotely capable? It always seems like Green Bay's defense is their albatross.

rtmike 01-07-2013 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9291063)
Do you think he's even remotely capable? It always seems like Green Bay's defense is their albatross.

True. Why is Kevin Green so popular? Without Mathews the Packers pass rush became weak.

booger 01-07-2013 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9291063)
Do you think he's even remotely capable? It always seems like Green Bay's defense is their albatross.

It's perception vs reality. I have no clue but he coaches ILB's in Capers 34. IIRC he was mostly a 43 as a player. I know he hasn't necessarily interviewed all that well for HC openings and was passed by McKenzie in Oakland. Dorsey would have a good viewpoint to him and Perry.

Herring and Tomsula are much better in the fact they have more time in the 34 than a guy like Moss. Perry is too much of an unknown but throwing his name out there.

Greg Manusky is another that has experience in it. Under Phillips too. I just don't know about him either though


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