He'll need a playoff win at some point, not necessarily this year, IMO What he cannot be is the reason we lose a playoff game.

I'd be willing to start at just playing like a franchise QB, (making big plays at crucial times, carrying the team should the running game fail, willing his team to win, etc) in a game against a very good opponent.

You're wasting your time. It seems that long years of losing have turned a chunk of the Chiefs posters here into drooling idiots. One of the Brees/E. Manning/Rodgers trio will likely miss the NFC playoffs this season. Rivers and P. Manning are both still in danger of missing the AFC playoffs. Using the logic of some on this board, that could mean that at least some those 5 QBs suck ass and aren't capable of taking their teams to the Super Bowl.


If only those teams had Brodie Croyle or Tyler Thigpen...

That's a horrible analogy.
Sandler...Oscar-worthy? Come on.

Sorry to break it to you. Revis is going to dominate Bowe. Both the Jets and the Ravens are probably going to overpower our offensive line. The Jets and Ravens both have phenomenal offensive lines that are going to make it extremely difficult for us to rush the passer and control the line of scrimmage. And the Steelers and Pats...?

Let's not set ourselves up for too high of expectations. This is an ascending team that is not quite yet ready for primetime. We can pull off a playoff win if the opponent makes mistakes and we don't, if our opponent comes out unready and we do, if their QB or key player makes too many dumb mistakes, and by outcoaching the other team (probably a combo of all). But there's only so far you can stretch out a talent gap.

I want to win a playoff game too. But it's going to take a whale of a performance to do it. And it's not something I think is critical at this stage in the rebulid anyway.

No shit.

Are we a 9-5 team, or are we the "frauds" Clayton claims?

Jesus, nothing like wanting it both ways to suit your argument.

I can agree with this.

In complete agreement on that.

What does the Jets having Revis have to do with us being outmatched in every phase of the game like you said.

Have you seen the Jets play with your eyes?

I think that over the past few weeks, Cassel is the main reason why the Chiefs are winning games.

Sure, the running game is excellent but he's making players out of guys like Verran Tucker and a washed up Chris Chambers. He's been hitting Bowe and Moeaki with consistency and they're usually at fault when the pass is incomplete. The INT today was in no way Cassel's fault.

It's painfully obvious that Brodie Croyle has no place on this football team. The Chiefs would have probably lost against San Diego last week with Cassel, but that was an entirely different looking football team than the one we saw today.

This team clearly respects Cassel and they play at a higher level when he's under center.

I agree to a degree, though I don't think that it's coincidence that the QB play started sliding the same time LT started sliding.

And right now, they are going toe-to-toe with a damn good Pittsburgh team on the road. Which makes me think they are either a collapse waiting to happen, or a team that could get hot and be a nasty out in the playoffs

Hard team to judge.

I am not saying a single one of those things. You have a really annoying trait of creating your opponents position out of whole cloth to make your debate easier.

This is a flawed definition or would you consider Dilfer to have been a franchise qb as well?

C'mon.

Yes, Mo ran the wrong route.

But that doesn't mean that Cassel still has to deliver the ball to an area with 5 blue jerseys in it.

Bad on Mo, bad on Cassel.

Look up 'straw man' in a basic critical thinking text book. Look at my post..Then look at the bolded part of YOUR post. I never said in my post anything about people WANTING him to fail...

You are the one making straw man arguments, but perhaps you are so stupid you don't even know what that means....Take 5 minutes, go back and read what I wrote...Then read your pile of feces.

All I said is people were saying a bunch of negative shit about Cassel....They ended up being wrong...

That doesn't mean that the ball wouldn't have been completed.

Last year (and earlier this year) people were practically begging Cassel to throw the ball when receivers weren't "open". Had Moeaki not run the wrong route, that ball would have either been caught or incomplete.