Chiefs cap room for 2013
 

How much do we have ATM? I know it has been addressed recently in another post nut I can't seem to find it. Lets assume we cut Jackson and Cassel outright.

This is one thing I don't follow and don't really know the process...what counts against the team cap, what doesn't, how cutting a player effects the cap and why teams wait til June etc, the new CBA rules. This would be useful info if anyone can explain.

I know its going to be a big number but I want to know how big. Wonder if Andy Reid will go all out on free agents this year like he did in 2011 in Philly.

2013 NFL Salary Cap Space (per http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space/ )

Chiefs have 13.8 million, which is the fourth best.

AFC East
Bills: $11.7 million
Jets: $4.2 million
Dolphins: $7.0 million
Patriots: $6.4 million



AFC North
Bengals: $9 million
Browns: $14.5 million
Ravens: $1.4 million
Steelers: $1.1 million



AFC South
Colts: $5 million
Jaguars: $20.1million
Texans: $2.7 million
Titans: $14.1 million



AFC West:
Broncos: $12.1 million
Chargers: $2 million
Chiefs: $13.8 million
Raiders: $4.6 million



NFC East:
Cowboys: $3.7 million
Giants: $2.2 million
Eagles: $20.1 million
Redskins: $3.3 million



NFC North:
Bears: $4.2 million
Lions: $2.5 million
Packers: $7.5 million
Vikings: $8.4 million



NFC South:
Buccaneers: $11.7 million
Falcons: $1.1 million
Panthers: $4 million
Saints: $2.9 million



NFC West:
49ers: $579,000
Cardinals: $6.9 million
Rams: $2 million
Seahawks: $13.5 million

Dunno, but if we can get the following it'd sure be nice. Of course this is after we re-sign Albert, Bowe, and Colquitt.

FS-Jarius Byrd (assuming he's not hit w/ the tag)
CB-Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
WR-Greg Jennings
OL-TBN
VetQB-TBN

Long rambling article.. but if you are really THAT interested (and don't mind the source):

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/10/1...cap-situation/

And one more site... good look at our contracts. Tamba is costing us alot up front, but after next year his salary drops.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/yearly/

Wow. That isn't nearly as much as I thought it would be. 13-14 Mil ATM.

With a cap hit of $9,875,000 in 2013 for our beloved Matt Cassel, gotta think the Walrus is sharpening his axe right now. Then he has Tyson Jackson's $17,245,000 cap hit to address.

no kidding.....that contract was downright stupid.

ROFL JESUS CHRIST!!!

We won't cut him until after the league season starts unless they want to eat it all. If they cut him later, they can spread the cap hit over 2 years.

Cut Cassel and Jackson, give their money to Bowe, Dorsey, Colquit and Albert.

Profit.

The crazy thing is that with the new CBA, we're going to be paying a #1 QB 1/3rd of what Cassel made...dramatically improving QB play at 1/3rd the price.

Now THAT's the process.

Yes Kent?

Tyson Ackson has a 17 mil cap number? What idiot did...........Oh wait. Never mind.

HOLY CRAP I thought Cassel had a much lower cap hit than that. HOLY SHIT on Jackson though.
Pioli indeed

Then switch to the 4-3.

The worst part about that?

Pioli actually gave Jackson a contract extension last April that actually gave him MORE money over his original 57 million dollar rookie contract.

It's like Pioli was trying to fail.

Romeo
Cassel
Jackson

Way to go Pioli...Nice job idiot.

Just found a glitch with the Pioli filter. lol

Unbelievable that Dungver and Philly have that much room. Philly has been spending big in free agency the last couple of years yet had $20 mil in cap space. Dungver gives Manning what? $25mil a year? And still has $12 mil left? Seems unlikely to me. But maybe I just don't get the cap

Oh yeah.. guess they need to change 'Pioli' to something else .

Yeah, I think our cap room freed up is going to go up considerable. Not sure the exact numbers but it looks like launching Cassel will generate around $15 million in new cap space and Tyson Jackson will generate about $15 million as well. Neither player is worth another $.01 IMO and we can easily replace them with solid FA's with that $30 million in free cap space...

Numbers are mostly garbage in-garbage out. Manning's deal was really a one-year $18 million deal with the Broncos having the right to pick up additional years based on a physical after this season (that then makes the next two years guaranteed at $20 million per) and then additional $19 million seasons if he's still around and on the roster when season four and then season five of his deal roll around. Right now, these numbers don't count at all towards his deal as they weren't paid in the form of a bonus (which allows a team to "spread out" a big lump sum payment over the life of a deal - part of the reason you get 6 year deals with huge payments on the back-end). The $20 mil for next season isn't deducted from Denver until the contingencies on Manning's deal is triggered (which it will be).

Launching Cassel will only generate around 7 mill I believe (current cap hit is under 10 right now). Jackson generates about 11 mill.

Still, we don't have to worry too much about the cap.

Good contracts for Charles, DJ, and Tamba once we get by next year.

:thumb:

Clark also mentioned that we would be carrying over the unused cap space from 2012 to 2013. So that should also increase our total numbers.

Tyson Jackson’s contract
2009 $2,860,000 Cap Hit
2010 $3,575,000 Cap Hit
2011 $11,240,000 Cap Hit
2012 $6,775,000 Cap Hit $24,550,000 paid so far.
2013 $17,245,000 Cap Hit

ChiefsGator already pointed out that we don’t save 17 million by cutting Jackson. Tyson has a $31 million guarantee, so we don’t save $17,245,000 by just cutting Jackson.

If Jackson fits into the new Chiefs defense, maybe they can renegotiate a new contract.

ATM? Isn't that a barry koolaid thing?

I'm guessing some players earned player incentive in 2012 that will count vs 2013 cap.

I'm proud to say I have no idea.

The cap is irrelevant.

It's all about guaranteed money, i.e., upfront bonuses.

I completely forgot about the CBA. I was just thinking how ****ed we were going to be after signing the number one overall pick.

I'm not entirely familiar with the salary cap process in the NFL. I know there are a lot of stipulations on how it works. My understanding of it is rather rudimentary though. I'm sure Cassel is due to hit a high number...so cutting him could save us a lot of $$$ this upcoming season. At the very least, we could restructure him to that of someone playing third string, which suits his talent level far better than number one overall. Also Jackson is due for some ungodly amount like $15 million. Restructuring his contract or outright cutting him should be something to consider.

You can't help but wonder what exactly Scott 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' Pioli was thinking by signing Cassel to a $63 million contract. And giving up a second for that steaming pile of suck? lol Good bye Scott 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' Pioli!!!! Thats right up there with taking Tyson Jackson third overall... The Chiefs have a SIGNIFICANTLY brighter future now that he is gone.

Edit: I love the "Scott" "Pioli[/b]" filter. Cant even say his name without that filter automatically kicking in! lol

I am not saying you are incorrect or anything. But I would like a link to this.
If we have to pay Jackson that kind of money whether we cut him or not. He will stay and it is just another reason to hate Pioli.

Wilson8's information is incorrect.

Clark is so cheap

"Jackson's 2013 base salary remains at $14.72 million, $3.22 million of which is guaranteed for injury and cap."

http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2012...-contract.html

So, we could save $14.72 million perhaps. I heard a figure of $11 million somewhere else though. Either way, we save a lot cutting him, so I'm sure it happens or he restructures again.

But, we aren't going to clear quite as much as some around here hope.

I don't think this is right.

That's his salary for the 2013 season.

It is NOT guaranteed. His guaranteed money is GONE and already paid out. $28 million. He has already made like $40 million as a Chief.

We cut him tomorrow owe him nothing, no cap hit.

Question: Can we still spread the cap hit across two years? This upcoming year is now his last, since the 2014 year was cut off his contract with the restructure. If not, then we can cut him sooner, rather than later.

http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/...sel-after-2012

Jackson cut chiefs only on the hook for 3.2m
Cassel cut chiefs only on the hook for around 3.5m

Plus, teams can no longer spread a cap hit over two seasons.

That ended in 2009, IIRC.

His original contract was about $31 million guaranteed I believe.. so that makes sense that about $3 mill remains.

Actually, it appears he has only made about $24 million, per this site. This year is the crazy one though.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...tyson-jackson/

No. That ended before the uncapped year of 2010 and with the new CBA in 2011.

I'm talking about Cassel, not Tyson Jackson.

Good grief I hope this happens soon. No better way to shit on our party than for Reid to think he can "fix" Casshole.

If they cut Cassel only gonna count for 3.5m in 2013

Source?

It seems like closer to 3.9m, but that difference doesn't matter. But, since he costs 9,825,000 against our cap, cutting him only frees up around 6 mil. And between 11-14 million for Jackson.

So, we end up with $17-20 mill in savings from cutting them. Of course, we need a QB (or two) and a DE as well.

This is all elementary though, since our new signings are not likely to cost much against our cap anyway.

In 2013 Cassel is due 2,325,000 in bonuses, but $250,000 of that is a workout bonus.

In 2014 Cassel is due 2,125,000 in bonuses, but again $250,000 of that is a workout bonus.

Matt Cassel (QB)-Kansas City Chiefs: It’s hard to imagine a scenario where Cassel returns to the Chiefs since Brady Quinn has replaced him. As the starter, Cassel was largely ineffective in guiding the Chiefs to a 1-4 record. He committed 14 turnovers (nine interceptions and five fumbles) in his five starts while completing just 58.5% of his passes and only throwing for five touchdowns. The 2010 Pro Bowler’s $7.75 million 2013 salary is too much for a backup quarterback. Cassel, who has a $9.825 million 2013 salary cap number, would free up $5.825 million of cap space for the Chiefs if they released him.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2024539.html

The bottom line is that we are in a good position cap-wise, especially with Hali's salary (and cap hit) dropping 6 mill or so in 2014. Pioli left us with a couple good things. Low salaries on Charles, DJ, and Hali (besides next year).

We have a lot of positions to fill (and plenty of expensive fat to cut), but we are in very good shape currently. It would be hard to put us in cap trouble in the next two or three years.

Only good thing he was good for.

Okay. Good. So that will put them 8 mil over the cap when that happens which means they will be cutting people. Now hopefully the Ravens will end the Donk season next week and they will be a worse team next year and Manning never wins a championship for that piece of shit team!!:evil:

I'm gonna try and look it up, but I believe the change was that you could still spread it out over two years, you just had to wait until the beginning of the new league year instead of June 1 in order to give players more time to find another team. Again, I could be mistaken. I am looking it up now

From what I've read on multiple sites, the June 1 rule is as it always was. I guess I was wrong. I thought that the date was sooner now. But anyway, for those of you asking, yes any cap hit can be spread out if we wait until June 1 to cut the dead weight.

Some of the $17.5 million is going to be paid to Jackson.

13 million in cap space.
14 million for cutting Jackson
7 million for cutting Cassel

That's 34 million worth of cap space to start with.

Now we get to the interesting part...we were 15-20 million under the cap in 2012 and that number can be rolled over.

That gives us around 50 million worth of cap space to work with if we max out everything and make the logical moves.

PLENTY to re-sign Bowe, Albert, Colquit and Dorsey as well as locking up guys like Houston, Moeaki and Asamoah...as well as going fishing for some big fish.

We are in a great spot capwise.

From page 93 NFL Players Association NFL CBA – August 4, 2011

(1) For any player removed from the Team's roster, or whose Contract is
assigned to another Club via waivers or trade, on or before June 1 in any League Year
prior to the Final League Year, or at any time during the Final League Year, any unamortized
signing bonus amounts will be included in Team Salary for such League Year,
except that for each League Year preceding the Final League Year, each Club may designate
up to two Player Contracts that, if terminated on or prior to June 1 and if not renegotiated after the last regular season game of the prior League Year, shall be treated
(except to the extent prescribed by Section 6(d) (iv) below) as if terminated on June 2, i.e.,
the Salary Cap charge for each such contract will remain in the Club's Team Salary until
June 2, at which time its Paragraph 5 Salary and any unearned LTBE incentives will no
longer be counted and any unamortized signing bonus will be treated as set forth in
Subsection (2) below. If acceleration puts a Team over the Salary Cap, the Team will
have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap, but may not sign any players until there
is Room to do so under the Salary Cap.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaRe...Bookmarked.pdf

I agree, which why I think they could very well draft 2 QBs because they are so cheap

Yeah now it comes down to how much cash Hunt has left after the buyout of SP and RAC.

Pretty sure they don't count against the cap.

is Bowe definitely getting resigned?

Matt Cassel
Tyson Jackson
Stanford Routt
Pioli buyout + dollars earned

We've basically spent an entire year's salary cap supporting our dumbass GM and his bad decisions.

2 games of Kevin Boss and Peyton Hillis being useless also

spending money wisely.

Bowe and Albert would account for around 15 million i would assume. The other 3 maybe 5 million. Rrid is going to be a very busy man this offseason.

Wasn't talking about cap.
Clark has spent a lot of CASH. We were top 3 last season in cash spent. Clark just had to buy out 2 contracts in SP and RAC, more CASH.
Every player we sign that has a signing bonus will be more cash.
I know the Hunts are rich and all but there is a limit to how many multi-million dollars a person or business has in cash.

please dont lock up Moeaki

flush turd out of this team. Need a real TE

Clark is worth over a billion dollars.

Lets see how much sympathy he gets when he comes to the table with "Sorry guys, I couldn't spend the money necessary to field a respectable roster because I had to pay off MY ****ups."

We will have to break out the SOC batlight.

453 yards receiving in the year coming off acl surgery with nothing at qb and you want to just let the guy walk after next year? The guy is only 25 and has shown a lot of promise.

He will be a star with Geno at QB...he could be a 800 yard guy EASILY.

He'll only be a star if he can stay healthy, year in and year out.

So far, not so much.

2/3 ain't bad. I bet the guy could be extended at a very reasonable amount this offseason, before his stats skyrocket with a legit QB situation.

Im in

No reason to cut him/ Definitely stands to be upgraded next year if he doesn't show anything.

Exactly.

I would never consider cutting him before training camp although he's just as likely to end up on I.R.

I'm not a hater of the guy, I think he still holds potential. But with injuries and him not playing great, I'm not comfortable giving the guy an extension yet. If it turns out he blows up with a good QB and stays healthy, having extended him would been a great move. I still think the wait and see approach is best. I don't think we are ever looking at having to give him monster numbers.

I just think they bring in a much better TE, through the draft or FA. Not a Kevin Boss turd either. Like a Delanie Walker, Jared Cook, etc that will legit flat out just beat Moeaki out as the starter. And he could not even sniff the field because of it.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012...t-cap-strategy

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