Manning's rag arm
Maybe he hasn't fully recovered from his time off. Maybe he comes back next year rejuvenated and on fire at age 37.
But today he was Mr. Dink and Dunk. He had a couple of 15 yard TDs that were nice, but they were placement throws, not lasers. On two throws late in the game, the pass to Stokely that was reviewed in the first overtime, and the game losing INT, he clearly didn't get as much on the ball has he wanted to. The mind was willing but the arm was a dish rag. Maybe it was because it was late in the game, late in the season and in cold weather coming off an injury. But even ignoring his normal playoff chokatude, his arm was really sub par today. |
In the 12 seasons (Manning) made the playoffs he has 11 playoff losses (t-most ever), 5 playoff losses at home (all as the 1, 2, or 3 seed), a game-losing interception in the superbowl, and 8 one-and-dones (remember, out of a possible 12)?
What did you expect when the Broncos signed him? Predicting anything other than one and done from him would be awfully delusional. He makes terrible decisions in the clutch and more often than not loses the first game of the playoffs, even when he's the prohibitive favorite to win. Those who do not know history..... |
Cold weather is hard on an old man with a weak arm to begin with.
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I have a hard time believing that team will be better next year.
No SB for the Denver Mannings. Hope Brock Osweiler has his shit together. |
It's flabbergasted me how people keep saying he looks like the old Manning. No he doesn't. It's like they forgot what he did in Indy. He used to drop in 40 yard strikes over the shoulder to Marvin and Wayne like it was nothing. I did think his arm strength improved over the year... he was able to throw the deep ball much better at the end of the year. He had a great season. But it was kind of like a veteran pitcher not always having a 99 mph fastball anymore and learning how to pitch better.
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Bill Simmons made a great point too in the fact that Manning is 36 years old. Regardless of all his injuries and history... there came a point where even Brett Favre wasn't immortal in cold weather too, he just got too old.
Theoretically, Manning's arm strength could get better if the feeling in his arm improves. But it's also interesting that in cases like Montana and Favre, they went to a new team, had a really great year... then the following year came back to earth a bit. |
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True Story from SI back when Peyton got drafted. |
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Manning had his neck worked on and I can't speak for that but once they started hitting him the game changed. You hit Manning and he folds. End! Of! Story! My one day as a Ravens fans was ****ing glorious! That game was awesome. |
Peyton has never won a playoff game below 40 degrees.
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Another thing was that the Ravens changed their coverage up. Manning mentioned this in his press conference. In the 2nd half they switched and went to a lot of 2 deep safeties and just had Pollard and Reed playing deep safety. They weren't going to let him go deep. You could see it too because they didn't blitz as much. I'm amazed it took the Ravens that long to figure it out.
That's what beats Manning... that's why Crennel usually did so well. You can't attack him, you gotta sit back and let him go into robot mode and dink and dunk and check off to runs. They only team that seems to be able to attack him and do it well is the Chargers. |
I'm just glad they lost... Love it!
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Manning has thrown more wobble launchers this season than any other QB not named Cassel.
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He doesn't throw the ball the way he used to. His WR's aren't as good as his heyday with the Colts, either, but he wasn't that good today. Not like his best days at all.
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Forehead and Neck will pick you apart all day if you let him. What happens when he gets hit?
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Pretty much. Gunther was pretty disciplined that day. Manning ended up with an amazing completion percentage but not as many yards as you'd expect for that many passes, I do believe.
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Without reviewing the film, the Donks should have utilized more PA with Smash concepts (I'm a homer for them) and deep digs ( on the right side of the field offensively, as Cary Williams was playing on the left side and the Ravens LBs are relatively slow in their drops. THere were several instances in witch the Donks ran a levels concept( a staple in the Manning offense) in which Manning immediately went to the short in as opposed to the deep in/dig. However, the Donks definitely abandoned a vertical PA or non PA passing game in the second half. Whether that is due to McCoy or Fox, IDK. |
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Fans love to overrate velocity. Most of all, fans used to horrible QB play. Broncos fans couldn't get enough of Cutler's velocity. |
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Manning was garbage in OT. |
Not really, just playing your what-if game, like with 2006 Manning.
Here's another one: what if a ball coming out of a QBs hand while it's moving forward were a pass attempt, not a fumble? |
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That was clearly a fumble. |
What if PM pump-faked and brought the ball down, had 2 hands on the ball and then dropped it? That's what I saw and I think that's what the refs saw as well. The announcers were clearly on Denver and Green Bay's side in the 2 games and did their best to not "see" the right arm being held on the PI or both hands on the ball on the fumble and several calls in both games.
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They had 2 return TDs Peyton threw a pick 6 and another god awful Favrelike INT in OT Their vaunting no 2 D got smoked. Champ its time to hang it up |
That wasnt the tuck rule Donk fan, he controlled it as it came down to his waist. He repossed it and then while it was at his waist he lost it.
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While were playing the what if game, what if the Ravens were drenched in Vaseline for the game? How would Donkey fans perceive that?
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i had to pee at halftime
my stream had more velocity than manning's throws... |
At one point Deirdorff was noting how patient Manning was with all the short throws and how he may be the most patient QB in NFL history with short throws bla bla bla. Complimenting Manning for making the short throws.
I was laughing my ass off, I guess Dan didn't see any Chiefs games the last 4 years. Cassel can out patient Manning on short throws all day long. HOF bound! |
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Lovely tears!
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This season played out almost exactly like Favre's in Minny. Kind of wierd.
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Like we said before the year. Howard the Duck reared it's ugly head.
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Football is a young mans game, with few exceptions.
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The Broncos beat themselves:
1. Running the ball on 3rd & 7, with the chance to ice the game with a 1st down. 2. Kneeling it with :31 left, 2 TO's, and Manning at the helm. 3. The piss poor coverage and angle Moore took on the TD pass to Jones. Just...wow. 4. Manning's awful INT throw in OT to seal the game. Everything went wrong for the Broncos in the last 5 mins and OT of that game. Ravens had some calls bounce their way to be fair, but the Broncos failed to capitalize on several opportunities to win it. If Holliday didn't kill it on ST, it would have been a double digit win for the Ravens despite the PI calls, holding calls, and all the other stupid penalties they committed. |
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that ST argument is bullshit
yes, they helped Denver but YOU NEVER KNOW how the game would have turned had he not returned those kicks maybe the Broncos are down 24-21 with the ball and 2 minutes left in regulation? no one ****ing knows so saying they would have lost by double digits without those returns is just ignorant, and I don't get why people don't understand a simple concept like "the butterfly effect" even Ashton Kutcher gets it |
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But yea, for The Bronco Homers, crickets! |
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all I know is
if the Chiefs lost like Denver did yesterday I probably would have jumped off a cliff. |
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This one was off the charts. Dick while watching the end of the Donk game: http://www.victusspiritus.com/wp-con...oding_head.gif |
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They are the first team to lose a playoff game that had both a kickoff and punt return TD in the same game.
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Slap a Papa Johns logo on that bad boy ROFL
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I got banned last night.
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Its my new avatar at the Mange. :thumb:
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Whaddya mean i cant throw across my body? i'm peyton freaking manning!
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Yeah, I kept looking to see if he would try to throw it over 20 yards. I can't think of any. Meanwhile, Flacco throws a 70 yarder to get to OT.
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DAMN, they get some HUGE avatars over there, can we get something similar mods?
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