In that scenario we're essentially trading flipping two more known commodities (given Hardy's MLB experience and our familiarity with Taveras) for two lesser known commodities with similar levels of upside.

You obviously get more years of use if Adams hits, but he also plays the most easily replaceable position in the game.

Besides, several of Texas' prospects over the last few years have been overrated (Smoak, Feliz, Moreland). Not Angels overrated, but overrated nonetheless.

THIS!

Why would Holliday ever accept a trade? Holliday is here for the duration.

It's tempting but damn its hard for me to get behind trading Taveras. I know it makes sense. Craig goes to right. Adams to 1B and we get the best young SS in baseball. I can see why they are talking. Seems to benefit both teams.

But, like Hamas says, the rangers have a history of overvaluing prospects. I hope the Cardinals know lock/stock/barrel/print em/bet the mortgage that Profar is the real deal to pull the trigger on this deal.

Like I said - you'd better trust your scouts. Not Texas's.

It's not a trade you make this week. Send your top couple of scouts to follow the kid for a week and decide how you want to go from there.

You absolutely, positively, cannot be wrong. Taveras has as low a floor as you'll see in this game for prospects. You simply don't have that kind of bat control and suck.

But I don't see how you can look at the power that Profar's generated at such a young age and with so much more room for growth in his frame, not to mention his plate discipline, and salivate at the thought of building an infield around him for the next decade.

Because the Rangers aren't exactly the Astros.

Playing in Texas and having the opportunity to rest a bit at DH here and there, may be appealing to him.

I don't see why he'd veto a trade, truth be told. The Rangers are as good or better a fit for him as the Cardinals. The fans are good, the weather is great, no income tax and a park that will inflate his HR totals. What's not to like?

So even though he plays for a contender why wold he not want to get traded to another contender in another state rather than stay where he is happy, comfortable, and resides?

And then you have the fact being a Cardinal > than being a Ranger.

Whats not to like right?

He'd be playing for a contender that told him they thought they'd be better without him.

Vetoing a trade is not a rare occurrence, but it's not terribly common either. Most players, if offered a similar situation, will consent to a trade (or at least try to leverage a few $$ out of it).

We're not sending him to the Pirates - there are few places in baseball better for a hitter to get traded to than the Texas Rangers. I think there's an 80% chance he'd accept the trade.

Time for baseball, I need some happiness after what Mizzou put me through this year. Go Cards!

Seriously, let's hear it for the only competitive team in the entire ****ing state.

Looks like Waino and the Cardinals both want to get a long term deal before the season starts.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseb...21491b32b.html

If we sign Pujols, We don't sign Waino, Molina, Westbrook or extend Craig.

I'm okay if Waino is not a Cy Young calibur pitcher in two years. Who better to teach our young pitchers the right way to pitch at the "big show" level than Waino and I hear Carp is going to hang with the team. Waino has already took Miller under his wing. My uncle the Cardinals coach told me that it really started to click with Miller last season after he spent the weekend with Waino.

Which is why it was a good move to let him walk in FA. It would have screwed us in the long run. Hopefully Beltran has a repeat performance of last season, he helped fill the void of A.P.

You're oversimplifying things.

Which part?

The thought crossed my mind too. Craig in left, Adams at first, Taveras backing up Beltran/Jan for a year. It would be sweet, plus you save some cash for a few years to pay Andrus if you like what you see. It won't happen, because I suspect Holliday is looked at as a player who has already peaked, although they know they likely can't keep Andrus and Profar both happy. Neither wants to play 2nd in their primes.