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keg in kc 01-29-2013 08:17 PM

Blaming Geno for what he is or isn't doing is a bit off-base I think. He's not making any decisions in a bubble, and I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with his level of confidence. He's paying people to advise him on what to do, so when he doesn't go to the Senior Bowl, or does/doesn't throw at the combine, it's because somebody who does this kind of thing for a living is telling him it's the right thing to do.

Nightfyre 01-29-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fairladyZ (Post 9363166)
everyone complains they want a qb that has the "IT" factor.. I agree i want a qb that has the IT factor and is not afraid to throw the ball no matter who he's throwing too. The guy that has the IT factor is going to go out there and throw the ****ing ball to prove he's the man. Don't care about other top QB's not throwing it. Those were different years and we weren't in position to take those guys, or we just plain passed on taking them. If geno is the guy that everyone says he is and has the IT factor i want him to prove it.

What sort of child-like thinking is this? Awful analysis. Whether he throws at the combine has nothing to do with his "IT" factor. Geno has three years of starting game tape you can go watch. He doesn't need to throw in shorts at the combine to prove anything.

Chris Meck 01-29-2013 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9363147)
Are scouting departments now run by 12 yr old girls?



Given how much of a wildcard this draft class is, that bothers me and it doesn't matter to me how many QBs have chosen not to throw before him.

Yeah, but is it REALLY? I don't think so. I just think that LAST year was a freak occurrence so it makes THIS year seem like a 'weak' QB class. I think Geno would be the 3rd QB taken last year without a doubt, and I'd bet Wilson would go before Tannehill too, maybe-or at least damned close.

fairladyZ 01-29-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9363226)
What sort of child-like thinking is this? Awful analysis. Whether he throws at the combine has nothing to do with his "IT" factor. Geno has three years of starting game tape you can go watch. He doesn't need to throw in shorts at the combine to prove anything.

I don't think it's child like at all. I think it's fair that me and others i'm sure want our future QB to walk out wherever it is and take control and sling the ball. I think the whole "he can't help himself only hurt himself" is BS. I want any potential pick to go out there and ****ing prove it with the most damn confidence i've ever seen. I know thats what i would do. I don't care if your a QB, LT, LB, CB you go out there and you ****ing prove it with a chip on your shoulder. You don't sit back and play a prissy girl cause you might hurt your draft stock. I want to see the improved footwork, his release, and how quick he can adjust and throw to NFL receivers running NFL routes. EVERY other top prospect at there position will be there doing their drills unless injured. The QB shouldn't be an excuse

Nightfyre 01-29-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fairladyZ (Post 9363248)
I don't think it's child like at all. I think it's fair that me and others i'm sure want our future QB to walk out wherever it is and take control and sling the ball. I think the whole "he can't help himself only hurt himself" is BS. I want any potential pick to go out there and ****ing prove it with the most damn confidence i've ever seen. I know thats what i would do. I don't care if your a QB, LT, LB, CB you go out there and you ****ing prove it with a chip on your shoulder. You don't sit back and play a prissy girl cause you might hurt your draft stock. I want to see the improved footwork, his release, and how quick he can adjust and throw to NFL receivers running NFL routes. EVERY other top prospect at there position will be there doing their drills unless injured. The QB shouldn't be an excuse

Lots of players will opt out of lots of events. Andrew Luck, RGIII and Ryan Tannehill didn't didn't throw at the combine, just last year for example. However, I think Geno will throw at the combine. Two of IMG academy clients did last year - Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins.

fairladyZ 01-29-2013 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9363262)
Lots of players will opt out of lots of events. Andrew Luck, RGIII and Ryan Tannehill didn't didn't throw at the combine, just last year for example. However, I think Geno will throw at the combine. Two of IMG academy clients did last year - Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins.

Good i hope he does throw. I'm not on the geno wagon like i've said before but if he is even in play for the pick then i want to see everything he has. And if he is the pick i'm behind him 100%. Just for record though i'm not on the LT train either though.

Ya i know most top prospects don't throw but i think it's stupid, go out there and show what you got. I don't think it goes against you at all unless you have some flaws in your footwork/motion/arm strength. Don't think scouts or teams care if you don't place the ball perfect on a WR you met 10 minutes before. I just want to see his improvements and his throws/velocity to nfl caliber recievers running NFL route tree.

Nightfyre 01-29-2013 08:47 PM

He threw every route in the route tree in the Baylor game about three times over, IIRC. I don't see what him throwing in shorts is going to prove.

hometeam 01-29-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9363297)
He threw every route in the route tree in the Baylor game about three times over, IIRC. I don't see what him throwing in shorts is going to prove.

Now now, no need to muddy up this discussion with facts.

fairladyZ 01-29-2013 08:54 PM

again i want to see what he's been working on. I'm sure he has done the route tree but i want to see it with improved footwork and velocity

BossChief 01-29-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9363163)
I sometimes feel like you don't read much.

I've spoken to my reasons several times and so far the best response you or anyone else seems inclined to give is "well other guys don't do it" as though that's some sort of substantive retort.

I. do. not. give. a. shit. if. past. quarterbacks. haven't. thrown.

I've now said it 4 times, is it clear enough yet? Past quarterbacks weren't coming on the heels of the Luck/RGIII draft and having to prove their mettle in a fairly bunched QB class (that is regarded as a QB poor draft as it is).

Geno is facing a set of circumstances that are relatively unique this year and he's going to do nothing more than a single pro day to not only separate himself from his QB peers, but guys like Joeckel, Moore, etc...; that's a massive error in judgment.

he has 3 years of tape showing him throwing to many targets against varying competition...but you think he should go out in shorts to "prove he can still do it and that its repeatable."

Sorry, I disagree and professional agents disagree, as well.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9363200)
Blaming Geno for what he is or isn't doing is a bit off-base I think. He's not making any decisions in a bubble, and I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with his level of confidence. He's paying people to advise him on what to do, so when he doesn't go to the Senior Bowl, or does/doesn't throw at the combine, it's because somebody who does this kind of thing for a living is telling him it's the right thing to do.

took the words out of my mouth.

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9363297)
He threw every route in the route tree in the Baylor game about three times over, IIRC. I don't see what him throwing in shorts is going to prove.

so did you.

O.city 01-29-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9363297)
He threw every route in the route tree in the Baylor game about three times over, IIRC. I don't see what him throwing in shorts is going to prove.

Well, doing it against Baylor was about like wearing shorts.


He didn't do it against Syracuse. Or Kstate.

O.city 01-29-2013 08:58 PM

Just because he's being told not to do it, doesn't make it the right decision.

Sorter 01-29-2013 09:02 PM

LMAO
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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9363300)
Now now, no need to muddy up this discussion with facts.


BossChief 01-29-2013 09:04 PM

Fitzpatrick
Tannehill
Brady
Sanchez
Flacco
Dalton
Weeden
Rothlisberger
Shaub
Luck
Gabbert
Locker
Manning
Cassel
Palmer
Rivers
Romo
Eli
Foles
RG3
Cutler
Stafford
Rodgers
Ponder
Ryan
Newton
Brees
Freeman
Kolb
Bradford
Kaepernick
Wilson

I might be inclined to retract my top ten comment and push it back to top 15 as it sits...with work on his lower body, there is no reason to think he can't jump up one group and be in the op ten because I don't think there is a big difference between his arm and Rodgers'.

Show me te guys on that list that CLEARLY have a stronger arm than Geno.

I don't think there are more than maybe 5 more that I didn't highlight.

fairladyZ 01-29-2013 09:08 PM

i have yet to see him make an aaron rogers throw. Even in all the gifs and videos you guys post i haven't seen a rocket arm like rodgers. He's got a strong arm but it's nowhere near rodgers. Maybe with footwork he can come close but i still don't think he'll have that strong of an arm as rodgers or the elites in the NFL


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