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mikeyis4dcats. 07-10-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8729205)
Hey... here is a fun fact. Cox, the 3rd largest ISP in the US, has not agreed to this. Cox, the customer friendly ISP.

eh, I've gotten 2 or 3 warnings over the years with Cox, so they DO deliver them.

Nobody was ever going to cut you off....

kaplin42 07-10-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8729809)
eh, I've gotten 2 or 3 warnings over the years with Cox, so they DO deliver them.

Nobody was ever going to cut you off....

We also have to understand, there are millions of people who have internet. To try and monitor, tag them all and send out letters would have to be a daunting task.

Recieving or not may just be like winning the lottery.

pr_capone 07-10-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8729809)
eh, I've gotten 2 or 3 warnings over the years with Cox, so they DO deliver them.

Nobody was ever going to cut you off....

*sigh*

Yes, if the copyright holder complains, they have to take action. That is not the gist of the article. Many ISPs are now actively seeking out violators of their own volition. Cox does not.

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Originally Posted by article
Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, Time Warner Cable and other Internet service providers (ISPs) in the United States will soon launch new programs to police their networks in an effort to catch digital pirates and stop illegal file-sharing.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/03/...#ixzz20FFVkcN5

Cox is *NOT* doing what is in bold.

ReynardMuldrake 07-10-2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8698226)
Dude, its still a ****ing datagram, if the ISP and or the government wants to look at what is in that packet, they can easily. You are using an access point that they totally own. GEEEEZZZ :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8698312)
none of that does anything about your ISP ... they can see everything.

How is an ISP supposed to see what you're downloading? Yes they can put packet sniffers on the line but that's not going to be much help with encrypted traffic. Obviously the bandwidth pattern will indicate torrenting but they have no way of knowing whether it's legit. There are a number of legit uses for torrents, how are they going to tell the difference?

Typically, the C&D letters are coming from the copyright holders, who hire people to go on public trackers and monitor all of the IPs uploading files they hold a copyright on. They then send notice to the ISP that sends the C&D to the customer. None of that will work on a private tracker.

So again, how would they know what you're downloading? The news articles mention some mysterious new countermeasure, but none of them give any details. The whole thing sounds like a scare tactic to me.

BigRedChief 07-10-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8730111)
How is an ISP supposed to see what you're downloading? Yes they can put packet sniffers on the line but that's not going to be much help with encrypted traffic. Obviously the bandwidth pattern will indicate torrenting but they have no way of knowing whether it's legit. There are a number of legit uses for torrents, how are they going to tell the difference?

Typically, the C&D letters are coming from the copyright holders, who hire people to go on public trackers and monitor all of the IPs uploading files they hold a copyright on. They then send notice to the ISP that sends the C&D to the customer. None of that will work on a private tracker.

So again, how would they know what you're downloading? The news articles mention some mysterious new countermeasure, but none of them give any details. The whole thing sounds like a scare tactic to me.

no offense dude but please reread post #27. No matter who you are, there is always someone smarter than yourself.

007 07-10-2012 05:51 PM

I always run with the assumption that these companies can figure out what you are doing online

BigRock 07-10-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8730104)
Many ISPs are now actively seeking out violators of their own volition.

It's not starting now and no ISPs are doing anything of their own volition.

I quoted a post earlier in this thread that I said I couldn't speak to the accuracy of. Well, a few days after that post, this article came out in Time and said all the same things:

http://business.time.com/2012/06/26/...online-piracy/

pr_capone 07-10-2012 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8731921)
It's not starting now and no ISPs are doing anything of their own volition.

I quoted a post earlier in this thread that I said I couldn't speak to the accuracy of. Well, a few days after that post, this article came out in Time and said all the same things:

http://business.time.com/2012/06/26/...online-piracy/

:thumb:

I misunderstood the article. In the end, Cox is still not involved with this cooperation. :D

In the end... I'm kind of glad to see a kinder, gentler method of dealing with pirates. Anything is better than suing grandmothers for hundreds of thousands of dollars for their grandkids d/l'ing 3 songs off Kazaa.

mnchiefsguy 07-28-2012 05:22 PM

Signed up for giganews...it came with mimo as a newsgroup reader/downloader. Any good, or should I look elsewhere for a client?

kcxiv 07-28-2012 05:35 PM

someone told me this was put on hold. Who knows, i know i havent gotten any notice yet. lol In the end if this turns out to to be true, then there is no point in having high bandwidth. lol ill just drop my billl to the cheap one for 19.99 a month instead of me paying almost 50 lol ill still end up a winner regardless.

BigRedChief 07-29-2012 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8731953)
:thumb:

I misunderstood the article. In the end, Cox is still not involved with this cooperation. :D

In the end... I'm kind of glad to see a kinder, gentler method of dealing with pirates. Anything is better than suing grandmothers for hundreds of thousands of dollars for their grandkids d/l'ing 3 songs off Kazaa.

Now, you got something to really worry about. Maybe you already know, maybe you don't. This is public information.

NSA allies with Internet carriers to thwart cyber attacks against defense firms
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...kXH_story.html

NSA Chief says we need a defense system for the internet. They are volunteering to run it.
http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/t...-system-914174

He compared the Internet's traffic to a toll highway, and said he'd like the NSA to act as the monitor. Most traffic would barely be paid attention to, like a car with an "EZ Pass" cruising through without being stopped. But suspicious traffic would be identified and tracked.

As MIT's Technology Review points out, NSA has prototyped a version of an Internet monitoring system, with 17 defense contractors participating. If an internal alarm is tripped, presumably in the event of a breach, telemetry from the event is relayed automatically to the NSA. Alexander would like to see something like this applied more broadly.

Brock 07-29-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8775432)
Now, you got something to really worry about. Maybe you already know, maybe you don't. This is public information.

NSA allies with Internet carriers to thwart cyber attacks against defense firms
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...kXH_story.html

NSA Chief says we need a defense system for the internet. They are volunteering to run it.
http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/t...-system-914174

He compared the Internet's traffic to a toll highway, and said he'd like the NSA to act as the monitor. Most traffic would barely be paid attention to, like a car with an "EZ Pass" cruising through without being stopped. But suspicious traffic would be identified and tracked.

As MIT's Technology Review points out, NSA has prototyped a version of an Internet monitoring system, with 17 defense contractors participating. If an internal alarm is tripped, presumably in the event of a breach, telemetry from the event is relayed automatically to the NSA. Alexander would like to see something like this applied more broadly.

So?

mnchiefsguy 07-29-2012 02:59 PM

Damn, I forgot what a bitch it is set up newsgroups (have not used a newsgroup in a long, long, time.)

Not getting crap for speed or connection with giganews. I am sure it is something in the setup, will just have to crank through it and figure it out.

Imon Yourside 07-29-2012 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8774695)
Signed up for giganews...it came with mimo as a newsgroup reader/downloader. Any good, or should I look elsewhere for a client?

Yes just use web based SABnzbd, should be version 0615. ;)

*edited*

actually up to v0 72 here is the link http://sourceforge.net/projects/sabn...zbdplus/0.7.2/

Giganews is pretty much the fastest anywhere, i have 50 simultaneous connections...speed is not an issue.

mnchiefsguy 07-29-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 8777043)
Yes just use web based SABnzbd, should be version 0615. ;)

*edited*

actually up to v0 72 here is the link http://sourceforge.net/projects/sabn...zbdplus/0.7.2/

Giganews is pretty much the fastest anywhere, i have 50 simultaneous connections...speed is not an issue.

Thanks, rep for the link. Mimo does not seem to work all that well...it says my speeds are between 5 Mbps and 20 Mbps, but the few downloads I have done have taken way longer than they should. I just need to figure out all the proper tweaks and get the best news reader, etc. to maximize my speed. I set up for 50 connections as well.... I have 16 gigs of ram in my new machine, so I should have enough resources to handle that many connections.


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