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A mock draft that will make your heads explode (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=268335)

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9265934)

Since everyone is all over my nuts about Te'o, I pose a question to you all.

Who is the clear cut, #1 ranked ILB in this draft as reported by draft analysts so far?

Now who is the clear cut #1 Ranked QB?

I think you missed the point.

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9265821)

Linebackers don't win games, QBs DO. How many games has Derrick Johnson won for us throughout his career? How many has ray Lewis won for Baltimore?

Linebackers stop the run.... And today is a passing league.

In todays NFL You get a QB and build the team around him.

To be fair I think our linebackers have won more games than our quarterbacks.

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9265934)

Now which position is more important?

I would imagine someone has a best punter and kicker too, should we draft them #1?

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9265934)

Since everyone is all over my nuts about Te'o, I pose a question to you all.

Who is the clear cut, #1 ranked ILB in this draft as reported by draft analysts so far?

Kevin Minter or Alec Ogletree.

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Now who is the clear cut #1 Ranked QB?

Geno Smith.

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9265934)

What in the world does that have to do with anything?!!!! Who is the clear cut best Punter? Just because somebody is the best at their position doesn't mean they should go before another person when there MIGHT be a debate on who is the best. This isn't about getting the best player in the draft. It's about getting the player that helps the Chiefs win a SB. You don''t turn your team around or win a SB because of your LB's. You CAN NOT win without a QB. Take a chance at the best one, simple as that. If you don't have a legit QB, you aren't a real team in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9265836)

Oh my dear god what?

If Te'o ends up throwing a score of 8 on the board, I want nothing to do with him.

I'm not sure how much you actually know about the game of football, but you need intelligent players at the MLB/ILB and Safety positions. So if Geno Smith goes out there and has a bad combine, throws up a below average Wonderlic, and Te'o tears it up and posts a 25+ Wonderlic, I'm not going to be surprised at all if we draft him. Nor would I oppose it.

Matt Cassel is smart. Your post, not so much...

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DJ has won 2 or 3 games for us if I'm not mistaken, but that is actually beside the point here. It certainly is a QB driven league, but the QB is not the only man on the field. You don't win games if you give up 30-40 a game, so the argument of "QB's win games, X position doesn't" is moot. Do you think the Vikings go to the playoffs without AP? No. Do the Texans make the playoffs without Arian Foster? Not a ****ing chance in the world. Do the ravens go to the playoffs without Rice? Not going to happen. Does Seattle go to the playoffs without Lynch? Yeah ****ing right, and Russel wouldn't look nearly as good without him.

In all honesty, there are VERY FEW QB's in this league you can make that argument for them winning games. Brady, Mannings, Rodgers, Ryan(despite the lack of playoff wins) sure, and most of them are in the playoffs. But half of them also have a solid ground game too.

It isn't always about the QBs on the teams, but it is about the WHOLE team functioning as one unit. Having a solid running game and solid defense, will win you more games than not, and help pave the way to a playoff run. After all, I don't give a **** if we make the playoffs to get blown out by the Colts, I want to win a playoff game for a change, and that is going to require us to have a solid defense and a good QB. Of which we have neither right now.

We have the second best running back in the nfl, and with a better CB and safety prolly a pretty good defense if the offense gets rolling. A big reason this defense sucked is because the offense has so many 3 and outs.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9265936)

Name the five.

I know it's hard, but try to listen...he's a goddamn 34 Mike backer. The position itself isn't worth the pick. The position itself isn't worth any pick in the first round.

No, but you seem to be in terms of your argument. And Johnson plays a different position. If you've already got an All-Pro level guy at the WILL, pissing away a first rounder, let alone the overall #1 pick, is ignorant at best.

You are so locked on at getting a QB in this draft, it is ridiculous. You probably don't even know or care who else is in this draft outside of this position, ****, if Pioli was a QB you'd probably be all for drafting him just because we need a QB right? You don't care if he fits this offense, or the offense of our next HC/OC pairing. You don't care if he fits the play makers already in this offense, you just want to draft to spend our #1 pick on a QB so we finally do it right? I'm sure they could polish a ****ing turd and you'd still draft it. Point here is that I don't want to waste a #1 pick because we are thirsty. I want to invest that #1 pick on someone that will better this team and get us going forward as an improvement. If that is Geno, so be it. I'm all for it. If that is Te'O, great, all for it. If it happens to be a ****ing Center out of Southwest Missouri Eastern Middle State Tech, I don't care. I'm all for it. Just as long as we aren't making DESPERATE SELECTIONS

Speaking specifically for 1st round Seelections
2012: Andrew Luck, RG3
2011: Cam Newton
2010: Nobody
2009: Matt Stafford
2008: Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco

That's 6 in the last 5 years. I could go on.

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9265939)

I think you missed the point.

No, I made the point. If there isn't a certified, guaranteed lock for QB in this draft, we shouldn't be opposed as a whole, to taking someone else. If there happens to be a CB that climbs the draft, I wouldn't be opposed to that either, and that, in the current state of things, is an even bigger reach for us.

Point is, if Te'o ends up being the absolutely best football player in this draft, posts an amazing, unbelievable combine and pro day, and the QB class blows ass in the same events, I'm not going to ignorantly sit on the "Draft a QB first" bandwagon. There are going to be guys in the second round that can start for us, and I'll guarantee that right now.

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Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 9265944)

To be fair I think our linebackers have won more games than out quarterbacks.

Sad Truth right there.

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9265976)

You are so locked on at getting a QB in this draft, it is ridiculous. You probably don't even know or care who else is in this draft outside of this position

You're right, I don't. Because this team has NO ****ING QB!

Man your memory of what QB's were "locks" going into past drafts is pretty poor. Stop being so ****ing afraid of drafting a QB. You need to take a chance. You can't win without a QB. Go ahead and try to improve the team and ignore the QB position and enjoy not winning a SB. Do you watch the NFL?

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9265949)

Now which position is more important?

I would imagine someone has a best punter and kicker too, should we draft them #1?

QB is the most important position on the field on either side of the ball, that is undeniable. You're trying really hard to put words in my mouth that won't fit there.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9265955)

Kevin Minter or Alec Ogletree.

Geno Smith.

Uhhhh, Not sure who you read, but Te'o is the undisputed #1 ILB, and QB is Smith/Barkley, some other random guy who just jumped up the list as those two fell.

That's a hard sell there buddy, and you're trying hard to "prove" a point that isn't there.

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9265957)

You don't win a super bowl with a QB alone, that argument is so flawed and stupid. Yes, a solid QB is going to win you games, but without talent around him, and without a defense at least keeping the other team from scoring as much as you do, you aren't going to get anywhere.

If QB is the only position that matters, and no other positions matter, why the **** do CB's get paid so much? Why do WR's and RB's get paid so much?

Because we are forced to spend money with the new CBA? Because under your mindset, that is the only plausible reason.

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 9265959)

Matt Cassel is smart. Your post, not so much...

That was stupid.

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9265963)

A big reason this defense sucked, is because our secondary got torched, we were alright against the run this year, but our pass defense was pretty bad. I mean Travis Daniels and Jalil Brown? Really? We weren't even getting beat by the opposing team's QB's, if we played Croyle each week, he'd probably have had 9-10 wins without blinking.

Letting Carr go for Routt, then cutting Routt and having no legitimate depth behind them was DUMB, but that is another argument for another thread.

Lol DJ has won 2 or 3 games for us?

wow, just wow.
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You don't win a SB without a QB plan an simple. You obviously need other players but you don't ****ing start with them. Every team that has fails. You keep talking about things that are flawed, the entire argument that a player that is clear cut best at his position should be taken over another where its debatable is a complete joke.

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9265991)

QB is the most important position on the field on either side of the ball, that is undeniable. You're trying really hard to put words in my mouth that won't fit there.

Not really...

You're trying to say that we should draft a ****ing ILB #1 because he's the "consensus" best ILB when there isn't a "consensus" best QB.

I haven't looked but I bet there are some other far less important positions with a consensus best player... We should draft them #1 overall.

We have to take a QB no 1. Whoever is the best prospect at QB take him. But it doesnt matter unless Pioli is gone