A mock draft that will make your heads explode
 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfp-moc...0103--nfl.html

No Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?

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Already been mocks of Te'o on this board.

If Pioli is here, it's Te'O

Not ****ing te'O

Next person to post "Isn't this a shitty mock draft/projection lol" gets raped

So ****ing stupid.

Why is it okay for the Cardinals to take a QB #7, but no QB warrants being the pick just 6 spots higher?

Makes zero sense.

One qb, glennon? WHAT!, going in the first?
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So Glennon is fine at #7 but not at #1 to KC?

Where the lack of logic in these things comes from is beyond me. Its not like things are like they were before the rookie wage scale.

Not saying we want Glennon but the1st QB off the board if it is top 10 should go to KC.

He reminds us of Matt Ryan so KC doesn't need him. LMAO

Rookie salaries have taken a dramatic turn in favor of the franchises. TAKE GENO!!!! Worse case scenario, he's a bust, we have a terrible season, and we draft another QB. Try and try again till we get a leader for our franchise.

I'm tired and my eyes are watery, but am I missing Geno Smith in that list?

I'm amazed at the stupidity of some of these writers. If this were my site I would make a rule that you couldn't even post this shit right now.

He didn't look like Ryan to me at all. Weird motion
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LMAO

Hey guys check out this mock draft I found:

1. KANSAS CITY- Cancer AIDS, Butt Plug, Your Mom State.
The Chiefs can't risk taking a QB, so they go with the reliable Cancer AIDS here to boost true fan appeal. Scott Pioli also really likes drafting butt plugs to make his team nice and weak and gay.

2-32- ALL TEAMS- All of the QBs
Every other team feels the pressure to take a QB here. Nobody wants to be left without one, for fear that Kansas City will draft one in the 2nd round

This guy obviously puts a TON of stock in what Kiper and McShay say.

Seems legit

Haven't you heard though? A middle linebacker wins Championships!

But yeah seriously, Russ Lande looks like a complete moron for this.

He reminds us of Matt Ryan, a franchise QB, but the Chiefs, who need a franchise QB more than anything, should take a middle linebacker instead because a potential franchise QB doesn't warrant the #1 pick like a middle linebacker does.

Just incredibly stupid.

Mike Glennon getting some love

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt...co1_r4_250.gif

But he does not get a pass from me he was absolutely horrible yesterday
he better have a good senior bowl

Hope Lande gets the virus.

Hell, if this guy is spot on which is highly unlikely, just take Geno in 2nd round.

glennon is nothing like ryan...

He's like a tall Matt Ryan except that he's not and he sucks.

Jarvis Jones.

:)It's a long time till the draft in late April. This shit is gonna drive this place crazy.

I never ever want to sit and root for my Chiefs to lose again, so I hope they dont **** up this pick.

No way in hell this is meant to be serious

QB reeruned shit aside... check out where he has Demontre Moore going. To the ****ing Patriots way at the bottom.

THAT is reeruned shit. Moore is a top 5 ****ing pick.

Heh.

Yeah, it's a horrible mock.

Has there BEEN a more overrated prospect than Manti Te'o? Dude was a Heisman finalist and is hyped up as a first overall pick but doesn't deserve either distinction.

Isn't this a shitty mock draft/projection lol

After watching gino in the syracuse game , he really didnt look like a 1st round pick at all , none the less 1st overall...................:hmmm:

I realize we need a QB badly, but we do have other positions needing attention. MLB/ILB is one of those positions. I'm not completely opposed to drafting a linebacker, even with the first pick in the draft. It is my belief that Defensively, in the west, Linebackers are king. With probably the best outside tandem in the west, and the best coverage linebacker in the league, why not strengthen it with another solid body that is both young and talented?

We still have a LOT of time until the draft, and there are so many metrics to be charted and analyzed still, I can't say that I disagree with a Te'o pick right now. I loved Belcher in the run game, and wasn't too impressed with him in coverage, but the guy had so much heart in every game and you saw it. If Te'o shows that he's a student of the game with an above average IQ and good metrics, I don't see a problem with plugging him into our defense.

I can't wait for the pro days and combine so we can peruse through all of their metrics. I'm personally keeping an eye on the wonderlic scores of the top 8 or so ILB/MLB's, as well as QB's like Wilson, Bray, etc. Since there is much less emphasis on holding out of drills at the combine to protect a high draft pick selection resulting in millions more dollars based on where you were picked, I expect to see some good competition at the combine from QB's.

I'm definitely a fan of Geno, I'm just not convinced he plugs into the offense very well with the tools we currently have.

Wow.

I'd give he a false phone number on porpoise.

spending the #1 pick in the draft on a non-pass rushing lb is so ****ing reeruned it offends the reeruned....

our QBs are Cassel and Quinn....

Has it occurred to anyone that this is the 3rd mock that does not have Geno Smith anywhere close to the top pick. Should we consider the fact that maybe they know something we (average fans) don't know?

I'm just asking. Sure makes you think.

Look at some legit mocks, dude. People are posting the stupid ones because they think they're funny. Not because they say anything important.

The majority of mock drafts still have the Chiefs taking Geno Smith.

Oh. My. Dear. God.

again hailredskins mock draft database is your friend.

Look there and get back to us.

Only takes one click and you can see over a hundred mocks and the number one pick in all of them on one page.

Every one from the mid Dec range has Geno coming to us
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It's not too far off. A lot of "draft experts" have Geno has a late first/early 2nd talent. Glennon and Barkley tops him. Instead of there being an outright stud at QB you have 5 really good ones. Horrible class of QBs to have the 1st overall pick

Why? This isn't the same NFL where your first round pick gets a billion dollars, so salary is out of the question. We are in the AFC West where up until last year, the only passing QB worth legitimately building a defense to compete against was Phillip Rivers, completely laughable. Pass Rush isn't that big of a concern here in the west as it is in the AFC South as an example. Despite that, we have Hali and Houston already covered, and in our 3-4, anything else is just depth or rotation, which we could better utilize. I don't want us drafting a Left Tackle because I believe Albert is our guy and we need to give him a contract and plant him here for the foreseeable future. We need a QB but there isn't a "lights out, guaranteed to not **** this up" QB on the board, and since there isn't one, the likelihood that we draft a QB is up in the air.

Believe me, I want a QB as much as the next guy, but I'm playing devils advocate here for Te'o, and saying I'm not opposed to it.

People need to get their heads wrapped around the way personnel works now with the CBA. It is no longer a "waste" to draft an MLB/ILB in the top 5, top 10, or even the top pick. Especially if that guy has the potential to be at or near the top of his position for the next 5-8 years. By all means draft him.

We picked DJ with our 15th pick in '05, he's been an absolute beacon of hope for this defense since he got here. I am not opposed to spending our #1 draft pick we sucked so hard to get, on a guy who by all measures, could turn into a DJ clone. Why the hell wouldn't you take that?

Like I said, we have a long way to go with pro days, senior bowl, combine, etc. to figure this out, but why automatically rule out Te'o with the #1 pick, just because it isn't commonplace to draft an ILB/MLB there?

That is ignorant, lets see how the kid measures first and not automatically rule people out because of where we are picking. Aside from QB, ILB and CB are probably our biggest concerns for immediate need on this team.

I love DJ but without a qb he's never going to win a super bowl
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it's absolutely a waste...and it is cowardly and dumb to boot

the economic argument you are making is better applied to the QB position...draft one, it costs basically nothing

LBs aren't important, QBs are....and we've waited 30 freaking years for one

nevermind that te'o isn't even close to being the best lb to come out in years...

Cassel and Quinn and you want a LB with the #1 pick in the draft

Linebackers don't win games, QBs DO. How many games has Derrick Johnson won for us throughout his career? How many has ray Lewis won for Baltimore?

Linebackers stop the run.... And today is a passing league.

In todays NFL You get a QB and build the team around him.

And do you know how many of those there have been in the past 30 years?

Two.

John Elway and Andrew Luck.

That's it.

So you are willing to wait around another 30 years and hope we have the first pick in the draft when they come around?

(And if you don't remember, there were a couple of guys taken after Elway who ended up in the Hall of Fame that weren't "lights out, guaranteed not to **** this up" type of players. In fact, that's why they were drafted behind a guy named Todd Blackledge.)

You obviously don't remember the Derrick Johnson who played for the Chiefs under Herm Edwards. The guy was basically a lazy, out of shape first round bust and was actually benched by Haley for sucking so bad.

And, don't take this personally, but Te'o is a ****ING MIDDLE LINEBACKER WITHOUT ELITE INTANGIBLES. No one takes a middle linebacker first overall, especially when you've got the shit stain at the QB position that the Chiefs have. Why? Because they are ****ing middle linebackers! They plug the run, especially in a 34. You get great guys for that in the sixth ****ing round. Not at the #1 overall pick. It's a shit position in terms of positional value - it's not the WILL backer that is asked to do a lot more in terms of coverage and reads and the like such as Derrick Johnson or Pat Willis. It's a ****ing run plugger. And you are okay with spending the first overall pick on that?

**** me.

"oh noes, it risky! draft LB for value"

Oh my dear god what?

If Te'o ends up throwing a score of 8 on the board, I want nothing to do with him.

I'm not sure how much you actually know about the game of football, but you need intelligent players at the MLB/ILB and Safety positions. So if Geno Smith goes out there and has a bad combine, throws up a below average Wonderlic, and Te'o tears it up and posts a 25+ Wonderlic, I'm not going to be surprised at all if we draft him. Nor would I oppose it.

Kind of like when we passed on Russell Wilson for Donald Stephenson in the third last draft, becasue in Pioli's words, he wasn't going to handle the punishment of the NFL.

Seattle is in the playoffs with Wilson starting for them all year, and we're talking about how great it would be to have a real homegrown QB. Again.

Not drafting the best qb available basically tells the fans, bowe, Albert, potential free agent pickups and everyone else that next year will be a losing season and there is no winning future in sight.

This is simple as I can put it -

Inside Linebackers do NOT impact the game in today's NFL like quarterbacks do. We have a bigger need at quarterback than at inside linebacker. We have to take the quarterback. End of story.

Here, let me help you with this...

http://www.quik-express.com/wp-conte...0CLO02467).jpg

You won't oppose it because you are reeruned. Seriously Teo is not that ****ing good, Why not a punter with the first overall, or a long snapper?

Thats about the only position that has worse value or impact on a game that a non-pass rushing ILB in a 3-4. JFC the stupid is strong this year.

Is this some kinda weird catholic thing or something? Please say yes so I can understand that you aren't completely reeruned just deluded.

Drafting the most talented player in the draft, is never dumb. Especially if he fits a position of need. Drafting a bust QB who will never play, is dumb. Ask the Jaguars if they'd like to have that Blaine Gabbert pick back, I'm sure they'd love to, and Gabbert was a decent college guy, had a good combine, and posted up an amazing wonderlic. Who would have thought he'd suck in the NFL? I did, because I saw something in that kid I didn't like.

I am not arguing FOR drafting Te'o, if you believe that, you clearly cannot read. I'm simply playing devils advocate and saying I am not OPPOSED to drafting him, like some of you are. I'm not advocating drafting for safety either, I'm all for taking a shot at a guy here. But you don't pass up what could be the best ILB for the next decade, all because you're needy at QB. You don't even get that right to make an argument against that since you didn't even start your 2nd year QB this year. If Geno or Barkley or whoever doesn't just absolutely blow the world away in Pro Day and Combine workouts, you can't just haphazardly throw that pick away because you need a QB.

DJ has won 2 or 3 games for us if I'm not mistaken, but that is actually beside the point here. It certainly is a QB driven league, but the QB is not the only man on the field. You don't win games if you give up 30-40 a game, so the argument of "QB's win games, X position doesn't" is moot. Do you think the Vikings go to the playoffs without AP? No. Do the Texans make the playoffs without Arian Foster? Not a ****ing chance in the world. Do the ravens go to the playoffs without Rice? Not going to happen. Does Seattle go to the playoffs without Lynch? Yeah ****ing right, and Russel wouldn't look nearly as good without him.

In all honesty, there are VERY FEW QB's in this league you can make that argument for them winning games. Brady, Mannings, Rodgers, Ryan(despite the lack of playoff wins) sure, and most of them are in the playoffs. But half of them also have a solid ground game too.

It isn't always about the QBs on the teams, but it is about the WHOLE team functioning as one unit. Having a solid running game and solid defense, will win you more games than not, and help pave the way to a playoff run. After all, I don't give a **** if we make the playoffs to get blown out by the Colts, I want to win a playoff game for a change, and that is going to require us to have a solid defense and a good QB. Of which we have neither right now.

Seriously? Two? Are you a Stanford Homer or something? There's been much more than "two", and Elway isn't even in the top 5 of the list in that timespan.

Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't take a QB, I'm saying that I'm not opposed to taking Te'O if no QB truly shines, and Te'o looks like a golden goose.

And yes, I remember a young DJ under Herm, I remember the rest of the team under Herm too, you aren't placing all of this on DJ are you? lol.

I remember that same argument coming up in 2009 when we took Tyson Jackson over Aaron Curry, up until this year, that pick looked to be wrong as well. Who knows, maybe we'll bring Curry in this off season and see if he can earn a spot lol.

That's good reasoning. You could replace Belcher with a 5th round pick.

Jesus kid, let it go lol.
No, I don't opposed it because IF, and that is certainly the big qualifier here, you idiot, IF it just so happens that Geno and Matt don't grade out well in the Combine and Te'o does, the smart choice is to go after Te'o if we have no other option like trading our pick to a team needy of an LT or DE.

You say that the least impact player in a 3-4 is the ILB, but DJ happens to be a pro bowler, happens to be our best defensive player, no questions asked. Without him, our defense crumbles to shit, and it isn't just talent.

You are aware that the ILB is basically the QB of the Defense, his role is more important than any other on the team defensively.

It certainly is hard to envision us worse than we are now, but without DJ we'd certainly be 0-16 no doubt about it.



Again, to reiterate my point here. I AM ALL FOR GETTING A QB IF HE IS WORTH IT, I AM HOWEVER NOT AGAINST TAKING TE'O IF HE IS AS GOOD AS EVERYONE THINKS HE IS.

Since everyone is all over my nuts about Te'o, I pose a question to you all.


Who is the clear cut, #1 ranked ILB in this draft as reported by draft analysts so far?

Now who is the clear cut #1 Ranked QB?

Name the five.

I know it's hard, but try to listen...he's a goddamn 34 Mike backer. The position itself isn't worth the pick. The position itself isn't worth any pick in the first round.

No, but you seem to be in terms of your argument. And Johnson plays a different position. If you've already got an All-Pro level guy at the WILL, pissing away a first rounder, let alone the overall #1 pick, is ignorant at best.

I think you missed the point.

To be fair I think our linebackers have won more games than our quarterbacks.

Now which position is more important?

I would imagine someone has a best punter and kicker too, should we draft them #1?

Kevin Minter or Alec Ogletree.

Geno Smith.

What in the world does that have to do with anything?!!!! Who is the clear cut best Punter? Just because somebody is the best at their position doesn't mean they should go before another person when there MIGHT be a debate on who is the best. This isn't about getting the best player in the draft. It's about getting the player that helps the Chiefs win a SB. You don''t turn your team around or win a SB because of your LB's. You CAN NOT win without a QB. Take a chance at the best one, simple as that. If you don't have a legit QB, you aren't a real team in the NFL.

Matt Cassel is smart. Your post, not so much...

We have the second best running back in the nfl, and with a better CB and safety prolly a pretty good defense if the offense gets rolling. A big reason this defense sucked is because the offense has so many 3 and outs.

You are so locked on at getting a QB in this draft, it is ridiculous. You probably don't even know or care who else is in this draft outside of this position, ****, if Pioli was a QB you'd probably be all for drafting him just because we need a QB right? You don't care if he fits this offense, or the offense of our next HC/OC pairing. You don't care if he fits the play makers already in this offense, you just want to draft to spend our #1 pick on a QB so we finally do it right? I'm sure they could polish a ****ing turd and you'd still draft it. Point here is that I don't want to waste a #1 pick because we are thirsty. I want to invest that #1 pick on someone that will better this team and get us going forward as an improvement. If that is Geno, so be it. I'm all for it. If that is Te'O, great, all for it. If it happens to be a ****ing Center out of Southwest Missouri Eastern Middle State Tech, I don't care. I'm all for it. Just as long as we aren't making DESPERATE SELECTIONS

Speaking specifically for 1st round Seelections
2012: Andrew Luck, RG3
2011: Cam Newton
2010: Nobody
2009: Matt Stafford
2008: Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco

That's 6 in the last 5 years. I could go on.
No, I made the point. If there isn't a certified, guaranteed lock for QB in this draft, we shouldn't be opposed as a whole, to taking someone else. If there happens to be a CB that climbs the draft, I wouldn't be opposed to that either, and that, in the current state of things, is an even bigger reach for us.

Point is, if Te'o ends up being the absolutely best football player in this draft, posts an amazing, unbelievable combine and pro day, and the QB class blows ass in the same events, I'm not going to ignorantly sit on the "Draft a QB first" bandwagon. There are going to be guys in the second round that can start for us, and I'll guarantee that right now.

Sad Truth right there.

You're right, I don't. Because this team has NO ****ING QB!

Man your memory of what QB's were "locks" going into past drafts is pretty poor. Stop being so ****ing afraid of drafting a QB. You need to take a chance. You can't win without a QB. Go ahead and try to improve the team and ignore the QB position and enjoy not winning a SB. Do you watch the NFL?

QB is the most important position on the field on either side of the ball, that is undeniable. You're trying really hard to put words in my mouth that won't fit there.

Uhhhh, Not sure who you read, but Te'o is the undisputed #1 ILB, and QB is Smith/Barkley, some other random guy who just jumped up the list as those two fell.

That's a hard sell there buddy, and you're trying hard to "prove" a point that isn't there.

You don't win a super bowl with a QB alone, that argument is so flawed and stupid. Yes, a solid QB is going to win you games, but without talent around him, and without a defense at least keeping the other team from scoring as much as you do, you aren't going to get anywhere.

If QB is the only position that matters, and no other positions matter, why the **** do CB's get paid so much? Why do WR's and RB's get paid so much?

Because we are forced to spend money with the new CBA? Because under your mindset, that is the only plausible reason.

That was stupid.

A big reason this defense sucked, is because our secondary got torched, we were alright against the run this year, but our pass defense was pretty bad. I mean Travis Daniels and Jalil Brown? Really? We weren't even getting beat by the opposing team's QB's, if we played Croyle each week, he'd probably have had 9-10 wins without blinking.

Letting Carr go for Routt, then cutting Routt and having no legitimate depth behind them was DUMB, but that is another argument for another thread.

Lol DJ has won 2 or 3 games for us?



wow, just wow.
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You don't win a SB without a QB plan an simple. You obviously need other players but you don't ****ing start with them. Every team that has fails. You keep talking about things that are flawed, the entire argument that a player that is clear cut best at his position should be taken over another where its debatable is a complete joke.

Not really...

You're trying to say that we should draft a ****ing ILB #1 because he's the "consensus" best ILB when there isn't a "consensus" best QB.

I haven't looked but I bet there are some other far less important positions with a consensus best player... We should draft them #1 overall.

We have to take a QB no 1. Whoever is the best prospect at QB take him. But it doesnt matter unless Pioli is gone

Yeah we agree here. After qb, we need a cb and safety if bowe and Albert stay.

We don't have a corner aside from Flowers either....... that was honestly one of the biggest setbacks this year, aside from standard Cassel play.ROFL

I do watch the NFL, I was all for going after Peyton Manning and drafting a project QB last year, was all for Drafting Mallet the year before, and we didn't, was happy to draft Stanzi in the fifth, and this brings me to another point that is extremely important here.

You want me to believe that we should draft a QB with the #1 pick in the draft, when we didn't even give our #3 QB an active roster spot in the last game of the year against a team we knew we'd get tossed around by, in the chance that we'd be down by 14-21 points and give him a drive to see if he can actually play in a live game and apparently reverse the "picture" we have of him currently?

You expect me to buy into the draft a QB with the #1 pick mantra, when the history of this team, this fandom, is afraid of QB's and the "curse"?

Do you really blame me? I'm not afraid of taking a chance on a lock like Luck, but there is no lock in this draft as of this very moment.

That being said, I am STILL all for getting a QB in the draft, and especially if Geno/Wilson/Bray end up posting good Combines and Pro Days.

I'm just not going to blatantly ignore the fact that we have two very big glaring holes on the defensive side of our game either.

Yes. But the gap for anything after QB is big. Drafting a LB before QB or CB is a complete joke.

It's fascinating to me that people get paid to write and haven't realized that with the new rookie pay scale a QB is going to go #1 overall 9.5 times out of 10...and that other 0.5 times is for when an Adrian Peterson or Calvin Johnson is in the draft (which isn't available this year).

Yes, the rookie pay scale is even friendlier to RB's since you don't have to give a McFadden $40M anymore...you can get a guy at #5 and pay $16M or something totally reasonable

BUT YES...$25M is A LOT for an ILB...it is Kyle Orton for QB's. A QB is going #1 in this draft no matter what.

anyone mocking anything else is an idiot...

Yeah I do blame you. I blame you for first starting the argument by saying you would be fine taking Teo and now trying to say its about what you think is going to happen, not what you want to happen. You said you are cool taking Teo if thats what KC thinks is best and I fully blame you for that.

As for what Stanzi did, are you kidding me? What does the handling of the QB position by Crennel and Pioli have to do with what the next group will do. Especially when Clark made mention of the QB position.

The ILB position is not nearly as big a hole as the QB and CB position. Hell, even if Albert and Bowe are kept, DL and Safety may be more important. You can fill ILB later in the draft. Happens all the time.

I am so sick and tired of the "lock" QB. Are you seriously going to wait for th next Luck to come around. Grow some balls and take a ****ing chance. This isn't the nuclear bomb. Failing with a QB doesn't **** you for 5 years anymore. Look at what we have done being afraid of taking a QB. How is not fixing the QB position less risky? Alex Smith, Glennon ect. Those aren't bigger risks? Sorry, I do blame you and everybody that thinks the way you do.