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Mr_Tomahawk 02-22-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9425013)
Darkhorse?

That's racist.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9425013)
Darkhorse?

Absolutely.

If they bring in a stopgap vet like Alex Smith, EJ Manuel becomes very intriguing.

I just want people to be wary of letting themselves become convinced that Manuel is the next Colin Kaepernick. There are some KEY differences.

RunKC 02-22-2013 09:54 AM

This is all going to depend on who Dorsey and Reid feel is the best QB. If the QB they feel is the best in the draft isn't a first round QB (example: EJ Manuel, who they are interviewing) then they'll probably pick him at 34.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-22-2013 09:57 AM

I really would imagine they will be interviewing the top 10 QB's so this isn't really news.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9425017)
That's racist.

ROFL

htismaqe 02-22-2013 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9425020)
This is all going to depend on who Dorsey and Reid feel is the best QB. If the QB they feel is the best in the draft isn't a first round QB (example: EJ Manuel, who they are interviewing) then they'll probably pick him at 34.

This I agree with.

If they're banking on Barkley or Wilson being there at 34, that's a flawed strategy.

If they're targeting Nassib, Dysert, or Manuel, then it absolutely makes sense.

ptlyon 02-22-2013 10:01 AM

I'll say it again - I hope I'm not at home for the chiefs #1 pick, that way whatever I break won't be mine.

The Franchise 02-22-2013 10:04 AM

I'm really hoping Russell Wilson bombs hard from here on out. It's getting tiresome hearing everyone saying that they thought he was going to be something special.

RunKC 02-22-2013 10:05 AM

Also, I just don't see us taking a Guard at all in this draft.

Jeff Allen was sought after by Reid last year. He had the guy in on a pre-draft visit for crying out loud.

rabblerouser 02-22-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9424851)



“You always go for the best player. It’s foolish to go for need and (Chiefs coach Andy Reid) won’t do that..."

Ok.

And THEN :

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9424851)


“Ask Andy,” he said. “They know their personnel far better than I do and they know what they need.”



http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/21...-colts-gm.html

Polian's a ****ing reerun.

RyFo18 02-22-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9424985)
Vick never let go of the job because Kolb couldn't take it for his own.

It isn't AT ALL like Alex Smith/Kaepernick. Kolb has literally NOTHING to offer next to Colin Kaepernick.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Ummm. Kolb went down in week 9. In week 10 Vick had 413 total yards, 4 TD passes and 2 rushing TDs and the Eagles scored 59 points. Vick then went on to throw for 2000 yards and rush just under 500 over the last 8 weeks of the season. He also accounted for 23 touchdowns and led them into the playoffs. He had a 98 QB rating during that stretch.

None of that ever happens if Kolb doesn't get hurt. Kolb was their franchise QB. Nobody in their right mind is going to go back to Kolb though after Vick had that ridiculous game against the Redskins. This is all we are arguing. You said he wasn't. He was...Vick changed all that because NOBODY saw that coming from Vick.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RyFo18 (Post 9425060)
Ummm. Kolb went down in week 9. In week 10 Vick had 413 total yards, 4 TD passes and 2 rushing TDs and the Eagles scored 59 points. Vick then went on to throw for 2000 yards and rush just under 500 over the last 8 weeks of the season. He also accounted for 23 touchdowns and led them into the playoffs. He had a 98 QB rating during that stretch.

None of that ever happens if Kolb doesn't get hurt. Kolb was their franchise QB. Nobody in their right mind is going to go back to Kolb though after Vick had that ridiculous game against the Redskins. This is all we are arguing. You said he wasn't. He was...Vick changed all that because NOBODY saw that coming from Vick.

So Andy Reid went for the Flavor of the Month.

You're not making a case for him being a "QB guru". Quite the opposite actually.

RealSNR 02-22-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9424991)
They do what smart teams do: get value and the QB.

It was no secret that Russell Wilson was getting a 3rd round grade due to his height. Hell some people thought Foles would be taken before him because of that issue.

Teams will know what round each player, especially a QB, will be slotted in on draft day.
Pretty clear that Schneider zoned in on the kid and knew his height would keep him out of the first 2 rounds.
Teams will know EVERYTHING about a QB if they need one. E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

Teams will know what round each player will be slotted in. Especially the team that winds up in a position to draft said player.

For all the teams that wanted that player but missed out, they clearly didn't ****ing know where the QB was going to be drafted now, did they? I know only one team can pick one player, but your explanation is still a far ****ing cry from the Seahawks going, "We have Flynn but need another QB. Here's what we do: RUSSELL WILSON. Got it? He's gonna be our 3rd round pick, and no team will trade ahead of us to go get him, because we know EVERYTHING there is to know about this player."

I'm just trying to get you to stop saying reeruned shit like, "Teams know when players will be available in certain rounds." They can make educated guesses, but all it takes is a Christian Ponder reach or a huge ****ing surprise trade out of nowhere to throw things out of whack. Then all that educated speculation they made about the player goes out the window.

Smart teams don't pound the value button like a reeruned monkey. Smart teams isolate the players they really want and need, and they GET THEM. Regardless of whether or not it's considered a reach. For example, in that very same draft you saw Bruce Irvin get reached on hard by the Seahawks because they frankly didn't know if another team was going to one-up them. Irvin sure as hell wasn't very good value where they picked him, but they got their guy. They said, "**** value. We want this player." And they pulled the trigger.

Again, shut the **** up, dumbass

htismaqe 02-22-2013 10:20 AM

We need a filter for the word "value".

The biggest crock of shit ever.

Chiefnj2 02-22-2013 10:20 AM

I find all the anger at the draft guys and ex-GMs to be funny. Is it their fault this years QB class sucks in terms of top end talent? The networks LOVE QBs. If there was a prospect to get excited over and over-hype they would. Based on game film alone it looks like there is one prospect who is getting a mid-first round grade. That's it. The choice for Reid is (a) bring in a vet, (b) reach for Smith, or (c) wait for the later rounds and try to beat the odds that that player can become a franchise QB.

Reaching for Smith is fine since you aren't going to get the same impact from any other position if you hit your pick. But, people need to stop whining that the entire world doesn't view him as a top 3 graded player.


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