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I decided to dig on Reid and Dorseys history of draft picks. It's interesting to see that they think very similar. I know they arent the only 2 people that made decisions on draft picks for there teams, but this gives you a pretty good idea. I did not include Kickers and Punters in these numbers.

I will leave it to you guys to discuss your thoughts on these numbers. I'm a big numbers guy so I hope this doesnt bore you.

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This chart shows the percentages of each position averaged for the entire draft. Heavy emphasis on Lbs, CBs,WRs, and RBs http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/...psca210492.png

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Reid focused a lot on defense in rounds 1 and 2, when going offense in those rounds he went with WR a majority of his time. http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7b324a4e.png

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This shows Reids 1st and 2nd round percentages based on offense and defense. Favors defense in early rounds. http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/...ps94b751c1.png

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In all the drafts Andy Reid was part of, he favored offense 54 percent of the time. This is interesting because based off the percentages in his first 2 rounds, he favored defense. This is important because it shows the value he was able to find in later rounds to help build his offense. A lot of those later rounds that Reid got value from were RBs. http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/...ps860bcb5d.png

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This shows a breakdown of Dorseys picks by position in all rounds combined. This is based off 95 total picks. http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/...psc18bf127.png

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It looks like Dorsey favors the same things in early rounds as Reid. Dorsey does place a bit more emphasis on the DE position early. http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7f426c64.png

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Same as Reid here, Dorsey actually favors defense more than Reid in the early rounds. http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/...psf7f56e5a.png

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This shows just how balanced Dorsey really is, In ALL rounds with ALL positions..he shows an even 50/50 split in his time with the Packers. http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/...ps124a1db0.png

If you want to see where he puts value, shouldn't these percentages be normalized to the 22 positions on the filed and the average length of career for each position and then weighted by draft positon according to the draft value chart?

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9340696)

I worked on this homemade Pie for the better part of my Monday evening, you will eat this Pie and you will enjoy it. Do you need some milk?

Makes total sense that any draft decision maker is going to favor CB/LB/WR considering they're the positions carried heavily on a 53 man roster and strongly contribute to special teams. However, I recognize you worked hard on this and thank you for sharing. It was interesting.

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Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9340702)

I worked on this homemade Pie for the better part of my Monday evening, you will eat this Pie and you will enjoy it. Do you need some milk?

I agree with the normalized criticism but I also read this post and had a chuckle. Thanks for the bits of info.

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9340708)

LMAO

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9340696)

It also would have to be normalized against which past picks were players which stuck and which ones busted, because that affects future picks independently of draft strategy, and this data would need to be normalized against positions of importance... like interior linemen, defensive ends, fullbacks... the stuff real teams are made of...

Here's what I see...

Reid takes d-linemen in the first two rounds 29% of the time

Dorsey takes d-linemen in the first two rounds 23% of the time

Reid takes o-linemen in the first two rounds 11% of the time

Dorsey takes o-linemen in the first two rounds 14% of the time

If we go by this, there is about a 40% chance we take a linemen in the first round. You can almost bet the farm we will take when in the first two rounds.

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Originally Posted by Rambozo (Post 9340784)

You have to look at draft position too. Reid was mostly drafting in the 20's The value there is different than a top ten pick.

One thing that these charts, and nice job on those, does not capture is the fact that Reid took a QB (McNabb being a franchise QB is a debate for a different thread) with his first ever pick for Philly.

this info is ambiguous at best.

*Reid didn't put the Eagles together, he coached them and had input.

*Dorsey didn't have full control either.

when a person goes to the grocery store with the same list of groceries and does not check refrigerator stock first, that is stupidity.

You can't come out with a shopping list and call it a day. You need to provide context -- stock at hand.

For example, they drafted McNabb and didn't need to draft a QB in the first round for many years. They did not. Some may say that is QB negligence.

Also, in the NFL, you need to build your team to compete against your division rivals. This dictates how your team is built.

I was simply just trying to show you tendancies. I apologize if my pie gave you this shits.