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Mojo Rising 08-01-2009 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5939689)
Why's that? You telling me a vet WR cant find a hole and be reliable to catch a ball? He isnt the name that TG is..... for fans..... but easily can do what TG did. Red Zone, not so much. Between the 20's, actually brings more value than TG. Just have to find that sure hand, big body guy in the red zone. Thats where we lack..... the whole Chiefsplanet ...over value TE's crew loses steam here. Its why teams went after Gates and BBall players ,was for the red zone.
TG didn't have to find a hole in the zone. That's what made him a security blanket. If the QB had a guy in his face and no-one open he could throw a jumpball to TG and if he didn't catch it he would at least shield the defender from the Int.

He can not do what TG did. Not even close.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2009 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5939709)
That's a hell of a limb to go out on.
Here are Trent Green's numbers during his tenure as a Chief:
1,720 Completions
2,777 Attempts
62% Completion Percentage
21,000+ Passing Yards
118 Passing TD's

I HOPE you're right, but I'm not so sure...
Green's been the best QB this franchise has ever known not named Len Dawson.
Here's what I think about Cassel vs Green.

Accuracy: Edge Cassel
Arm: Edge Cassel
Mobility: Big edge to Cassel
Intelligence: Slight edge to Green (haven't seen Cassel play enough, don't know how he'll fare on another team)
Experience: Edge Green

Cassel is 27. If he plays 7 years here he'll easily shatter Green's passing numbers.

Mojo Rising 08-01-2009 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5939709)
That's a hell of a limb to go out on.
Here are Trent Green's numbers during his tenure as a Chief:
1,720 Completions
2,777 Attempts
62% Completion Percentage
21,000+ Passing Yards
118 Passing TD's

I HOPE you're right, but I'm not so sure...
Green's been the best QB this franchise has ever known not named Len Dawson.
Joe Montana was a much better QB for KC than Green. Green had a better supporting cast and offensive system. Montana, even at his age as a Chiefs, was a better QB.

Mecca 08-01-2009 02:45 AM
I don't think Cassel is more accurate than Green...I think they both hold the ball to long though.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2009 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5939733)
I don't think Cassel is more accurate than Green...I think they both hold the ball to long though.
Wrong on both counts.

And don't get me started about throwing on the run. Green sucked at it. Cassel does it in his sleep.

Mojo Rising 08-01-2009 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939742)
Wrong on both counts.

And don't get me started about throwing on the run. Green sucked at it. Cassel does it in his sleep.
How can he do it in his sleep? He has 15 career starts in the NFL and College.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2009 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mojo Rising (Post 5939748)
How can he do it in his sleep? He has 15 career starts in the NFL and College.
It's an innate ability. Some guys have it, some don't. Jake Plummer was great at it. So was Montana. Green sucked balls throwing on the run.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-01-2009 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939750)
It's an innate ability. Some guys have it, some don't. Jake Plummer was great at it. So was Montana. Green sucked balls throwing on the run.
Cassel can throw on the "trot".

Hammock Parties 08-01-2009 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5939751)
Cassel can throw on the "trot".
What the **** is that supposed to mean? The dude has wheels.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-01-2009 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939752)
What the **** is that supposed to mean? The dude has wheels.
It means there's a difference between running and doing the "Quarterback Pocket Escape-Trot".

Hammock Parties 08-01-2009 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5939753)
It means there's a difference between running and doing the "Quarterback Pocket Escape-Trot".
The guy had 60 yards rushing in ONE game. Saying he trots is ignorant.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-01-2009 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939754)
The guy had 60 yards rushing in ONE game. Saying he trots is ignorant.
Jesus ****ing Christ, you.

Let me put it like this, and hopefully you will finally understand the ****ing difference:

Pocket Mobility, Chiefs-Style:

Gannon was a runner.

Elvis was a trotter.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2009 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5939755)
Jesus ****ing Christ, you.

Let me put it like this, and hopefully you will finally understand the ****ing difference:

Pocket Mobility, Chiefs-Style:

Gannon was a runner.

Elvis was a trotter.
Cassel is more mobile than Grbac was.

No question.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-01-2009 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939756)
Cassel is more mobile than Grbac was.

No question.
He's better at making ground yardage if he has to than Grbac, no question there.

Mojo Rising 08-01-2009 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939750)
It's an innate ability. Some guys have it, some don't. Jake Plummer was great at it. So was Montana. Green sucked balls throwing on the run.
Innate ability or someone to throw to? Plummer was much better throwing on the run when he had talented WR's in Denver. Montana had much more success sliding in the pocket and completing passes to Rice, Taylor and Jones than Lake Dawson and Keith Cash.

Before coronating Cassell as the second coming I would see how he performs with a below average OL, running game and receivers.

Moss' size and speed covers up a lot of mistakes. As does the hoodies system.


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