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Prison Bitch 04-09-2015 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11428258)
Agree with everything except 4. That's a terrible idea.

Replace that with: call intentional fouls when teams foul intentionally late in the game. There is nothing is sports worse than the foulfests at the end of games.

That works too

-King- 04-09-2015 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11428167)
As someone who watches a metric ton of college hoops, I think a lot of these suggestions are absolutely terrible. Reducing a shot clock to 30 is fine, but 24? You'll see bad possessions constantly. Putting the 3-point line out further is an even worse idea because 3pt % isn't that high right now (35% ish?) and if it's moved back NOBODY will go out to guard it. It'll be even more packed than it is today.


A couple simple fixes:

(1) reduce TO from 5 to 2 per half. These egomaniac coaches don't need any more micro-managing and idle hands are the devil's playthings. You get 5 breaks anyway, talk to them then.
(2) No TO when the ball is in play. Get trapped? Find a way out.
(3) 1 review per half, like the NFL coaches' challenge.
(4) Eliminate the ability to foul under 10 seconds up 3. It's the most exciting play in the game and douchebags always foul with 5 seconds to kill any thrill. Foul under 10 and it's 2-shots and the ball.

We already see bad possessions today. Horrible actually. Because for some reason coaches feel that since they're given 35 seconds, they have to use 35 seconds. A reduction to under 30 is needed. I don't think a 5 second reduction is enough.

And 35% isn't a bad 3 point percentage. That's the current NBA 3P% Moving the line back will allow players to move better and not be as packed in as they are now. And if like you say nobody guards it, then so? Offenses will punish the defense by shooting wide open 3s. College players can make NBA 3s regularly especially if they're unguarded like you say.
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Prison Bitch 04-09-2015 10:23 PM

Heat with 8 in the 3rd, 19 in the 4th. Lulz

"We changed things" - mark Cuban

TEX 04-10-2015 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11428258)
Agree with everything except 4. That's a terrible idea.

Replace that with: call intentional fouls when teams foul intentionally late in the game. There is nothing is sports worse than the foulfests at the end of games.

Especially if they're off the ball and do not effect the play directly...

Bob Dole 04-10-2015 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11428033)
College basketball is an absolutely horrific product.

And while Cuban is a bloviating douche, but he's right about this one. The NBA is a tremendous product and has gotten far, far better over the last 20 years, while college basketball has progressively declined in quality.

Don't you mean Hero Ball?

(Yes, that moronic commercial pisses off Bob Dole.)

Mr. Laz 04-10-2015 07:44 AM

or the NBA can stop drafting players 'on potential'

That would stop all this crap pretty quickly.

Saul Good 04-10-2015 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11428503)
or the NBA can stop drafting players 'on potential'

That would stop all this crap pretty quickly.

You realize that Cuban's entire point is that they can't do that, right? They have to draft raw players on potential, because there aren't many pro-ready players coming out of college. That's the whole problem. College basketball teaches players to stand around and pound nails into the floor for 30 seconds.

This really isn't that different from an engineering firm saying that engineering schools aren't preparing their students to be professional engineers. Are colleges "minor leagues" for engineering companies, or are they institutions that are supposed to teach students the skills they need to be successful and earn a living practicing their crafts?

The Mavericks shouldn't have to teach players how to play in the NBA any more than Black and Veach should have to teach kids coming out of school how to work a slide rule.

Imon Yourside 04-10-2015 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11428503)
or the NBA can stop drafting players 'on potential'

That would stop all this crap pretty quickly.

I would watch more NBA games for sure, I enjoy the polished players even if not as athletic.

dirk digler 04-10-2015 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11428510)
You realize that Cuban's entire point is that they can't do that, right? They have to draft raw players on potential, because there aren't many pro-ready players coming out of college. That's the whole problem. College basketball teaches players to stand around and pound nails into the floor for 30 seconds.

This really isn't that different from an engineering firm saying that engineering schools aren't preparing their students to be professional engineers. Are colleges "minor leagues" for engineering companies, or are they institutions that are supposed to teach students the skills they need to be successful and earn a living practicing their crafts?

The Mavericks shouldn't have to teach players how to play in the NBA any more than Black and Veach should have to teach kids coming out of school how to work a slide rule.

The NBA is not blameless though. Rookies in the NFL seem to perform better than rookies in the NBA because IMHO they are required to stay for 3 years. The one and done rule is not good for the NBA or college.

Mr. Laz 04-10-2015 08:07 AM

Mandatory minor leagues for the NBA(ala baseball) would pretty much solve the entire issue.

If players know they are going to have to spend several years in a minor league system for the NBA they are much less likely to come out early. The NBA could promote players through the system faster for the truly special athlete or the ones who are better prepared.

Mr. Laz 04-10-2015 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11428510)
You realize that Cuban's entire point is that they can't do that, right? They have to draft raw players on potential, because there aren't many pro-ready players coming out of college. That's the whole problem. College basketball teaches players to stand around and pound nails into the floor for 30 seconds.

This really isn't that different from an engineering firm saying that engineering schools aren't preparing their students to be professional engineers. Are colleges "minor leagues" for engineering companies, or are they institutions that are supposed to teach students the skills they need to be successful and earn a living practicing their crafts?

The Mavericks shouldn't have to teach players how to play in the NBA any more than Black and Veach should have to teach kids coming out of school how to work a slide rule.

wow, big ball of crap here.

NBA is just blaming CBB for their complete lack of discipline in the handling of talent.

Just like the NFL always giving talented players 'another chance' after breaking the rules.

Saul Good 04-10-2015 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 11428529)
The NBA is not blameless though. Rookies in the NFL seem to perform better than rookies in the NBA because IMHO they are required to stay for 3 years. The one and done rule is not good for the NBA or college.

But college football prepares kids to play in the NFL. Why should the NBA require kids to spend three years somewhere that doesn't prepare them for the NBA?

morphius 04-10-2015 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11428258)
Replace that with: call intentional fouls when teams foul intentionally late in the game. There is nothing is sports worse than the foulfests at the end of games.

I've always wished they would do that. Heck, you could do the same thing on the fouls on a break away where they hack the guy going up for an easy score.

dirk digler 04-10-2015 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11428533)
Mandatory minor leagues for the NBA(ala baseball) would pretty much solve the entire issue.

If players know they are going to have to spend several years in a minor league system for the NBA they are much less likely to come out early. The NBA could promote players through the system faster for the truly special athlete or the ones who are better prepared.

I honestly think playing internationally is better than playing in the D-League for guys that can't make an NBA roster.

dirk digler 04-10-2015 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11428548)
But college football prepares kids to play in the NFL. Why should the NBA require kids to spend three years somewhere that doesn't prepare them for the NBA?

I have heard many NFL coaches complain about how the spread has made things worse for NFL prospects especially at the QB position.


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