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Three7s 04-20-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock (Post 9607790)
And bullpens need to quit blowing ****ing games in the 8th and 9th.

How many runs have the Royals scored since playing the Phillies?

MeatRock 04-20-2013 02:50 PM

When a team faces the other teams ace, like a Verlander, Buchholz, Sale, Lee, etc. the games are going to be close 1 or 2 score games. They just are, the majority of the time.

Our ace, Shields matches in a pitching duel, and we have the lead, at some point your bullpen has to close those out.

mr. tegu 04-20-2013 02:52 PM

If we have any chance at the playoffs we needed to be building a lead on Detroit while they are slumping. Eventually they will win 5 of 6 and 10 of 12 a few times.

58-4ever 04-20-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9607805)
We were destined to lose this game. Sucks to lose it like this.

It hurts. Teams of the past would parlay this into a ten game losing streak. We will see.

DJ's left nut 04-20-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9607759)
And he's gonna keep hitting into bad luck if he doesn't try getting under the ball. That's what power hitters in the middle of the lineup do.

Sure...if they want to be really shitty at it.

Power hitters still attack down on the ball, they just attack a smaller zone on it (notably, the front half of the ball). If a hitter starts trying to get under a pitch thrown downhill, he's essentially going to have to develop a pure uppercut swing that spends next to no time in the actual hitting zone.

If you want Butler's strikeout rate to double and his infield pop rate to skyrocket, tell him to try to "get under" the ball.

Butler's taking a great approach to his ABs right now and exactly the kind of approach you want to see from a run producer in the middle of the order. He has a .206 BABIP right now - yes, that's just flat unlucky. He should have 3 more hits on the season to this point which would give him a .270+ BA, a commensurate rise in OBP and SLG and have him right at a .900 OPS.

Yeah, Butler's doing nothing wrong. He's the least of your worries.

stonedstooge 04-20-2013 02:53 PM

Let's sweep the doubleheader tomorrow

58-4ever 04-20-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 9607822)
Let's sweep the doubleheader tomorrow

I like our chances with Santana and Guthrie. Eventually we will find a lineup that will produce. (hopefully)

DJ's left nut 04-20-2013 02:56 PM

"The big goal was to get him to Ortiz"

Well that's just silly. You don't put yourself at a disadvantage for the first 2 hitters in the order because you're worried about the 3rd. If that's how you're going to play it, you need a 2nd lefty in your bullpen.

Walrus 04-20-2013 02:57 PM

Cain really needs to bat clean-up. Hosmer comes up with runners on and does shit.

DeezNutz 04-20-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9607830)
"The big goal was to get him to Ortiz"

Well that's just silly. You don't put yourself at a disadvantage for the first 2 hitters in the order because you're worried about the 3rd. If that's how you're going to play it, you need a 2nd lefty in your bullpen.

It's silly, but not for the reason you're citing. Collins is more effective against RHBs than LHBs, so working to get him to Ortiz is simply trying to accentuate Collins' weakness.

MeatRock 04-20-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9607830)
"The big goal was to get him to Ortiz"

Well that's just silly. You don't put yourself at a disadvantage for the first 2 hitters in the order because you're worried about the 3rd. If that's how you're going to play it, you need a 2nd lefty in your bullpen.

Collins is good against righties too. He's not at a disadvantage because they bat right handed.

mr. tegu 04-20-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 9607822)
Let's sweep the doubleheader tomorrow

If we do that I will completely forget about this stupid game and say, "those fans deserved a victory."

chiefsfan987 04-20-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 9607822)
Let's sweep the doubleheader tomorrow

When was the last time the Royals swept a double header? Feels like its been at least a decade.

God of Thunder 04-20-2013 03:01 PM

**** you Herrera. That's all I have to say.

JoeyChuckles 04-20-2013 03:02 PM

Either the baseball gods still really hate KC, or they will make it up to us later this season.

stonedstooge 04-20-2013 03:04 PM

Welp, not a whole lot of games so far this year we haven't been in. That's a HUGE difference from last year

teedubya 04-20-2013 03:05 PM

Hosmer is about worthless. That's all I'm gonna say. Chokesmer.

mr. tegu 04-20-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 9607859)
Welp, not a whole lot of games so far this year we haven't been in. That's a HUGE difference from last year

Hooray for moral victories! We are now 3-4 in one run games. That's about normal except the fact most of those should not have been one run games.

Al Bundy 04-20-2013 03:06 PM

This one was frustrating alright.

stonedstooge 04-20-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9607866)
Hooray for moral victories! We are now 3-4 in one run games. That's about normal except the fact most of those should not have been one run games.

I'ma usually one of the last one's to hang on with the Royals late into the season. I can't go negative yet

MeatRock 04-20-2013 03:10 PM

I'm not feeling negative about the Royals just yet. Our hitting and our bullpen need to get their shit together though or sub 500 is on it's way. I won't feel negative unless we get swept by Detroit.

TribalElder 04-20-2013 03:11 PM

**** Neil diamonds off pitch old ass

lol

**** Boston too

MeatRock 04-20-2013 03:14 PM

I am getting pissed about losing leads in the 8th and 9th though. That's some bullshit.

MIAdragon 04-20-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan987 (Post 9607844)
When was the last time the Royals swept a double header? Feels like its been at least a decade.

Its not easy for anyone, IIRC double header sweeps happen at a 25% clip.

stonedstooge 04-20-2013 03:19 PM

I wonder how much of an effect the new hitting coach has on this. I was hoping last year they'd give Seitzer a chance at managing the team when "Our Time" didn't pan out. Ned probably saved his job by having the 12 game losing streak early, thus reducing the expectations of all the fans. Seitzer had a firey attitude which I think is needed when dealing with a young team

Mr. Laz 04-20-2013 03:20 PM

Hos and Moose are supposed to be blue chip players, not cow chip players.

chiefsfan987 04-20-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock (Post 9607882)
I'm not feeling negative about the Royals just yet. Our hitting and our bullpen need to get their shit together though or sub 500 is on it's way. I won't feel negative unless we get swept by Detroit.

The Royals are 5th in the American league in hitting. The hitting isn't the problem. Scoring is the problem. I really think the Royals problem is that their lineup is messed up. We'd score more runs if the auto outs were clustered together at the bottom of the lineup instead of spaced out every other hitter.

Nightfyre 04-20-2013 03:23 PM

The Royals aren't getting productive hits. They need some power. Period. That is how you win.

chiefsfan987 04-20-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 9607901)
Its not easy for anyone, IIRC double header sweeps happen at a 25% clip.

It's easy for every team that plays the Royals. They generally lose both games most of the time.

stonedstooge 04-20-2013 03:29 PM

Sept. of 2008 the Royals swept the Indians in Cleveland. The last doubleheader sweep I found

Three7s 04-20-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan987 (Post 9607911)
The Royals are 5th in the American league in hitting. The hitting isn't the problem. Scoring is the problem. I really think the Royals problem is that their lineup is messed up. We'd score more runs if the auto outs were clustered together at the bottom of the lineup instead of spaced out every other hitter.

You're right. A lot of our guys ARE hitting. The problem is Hosmer and Moose ALWAYS come up at the worst times.

Sure-Oz 04-20-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9607929)
You're right. A lot of our guys ARE hitting. The problem is Hosmer and Moose ALWAYS come up at the worst times.

The team is not hitting for power or extra base hits that is the problem beside Moose and Hos hitting .200 or so.

Cant rely on 13 singles to win a game 5-2

TLO 04-20-2013 03:42 PM

Moose and Hosmer have been horrible this year. Losing games in the 8th and 9th inning sucks a big fat one. This team is so frustrating.

MeatRock 04-20-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9607931)
The team is not hitting for power or extra base hits that is the problem beside Moose and Hos hitting .200 or so.

Cant rely on 13 singles to win a game 5-2

This. BA don't mean shit if all you're doing is hitting singles and stranding base runners.

chiefsfan987 04-20-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9607931)
The team is not hitting for power or extra base hits that is the problem beside Moose and Hos hitting .200 or so.

Cant rely on 13 singles to win a game 5-2

I think extra base hits are fine. We're 7th in doubles in the AL which is middle of the pack and 4th in triples. Obviously home runs are not good, but we're very bad at taking walks. Only Minnesota is worse in the entire major leagues. There are plenty of walks KC could be taking but they are just so aggressive at the plate they don't take enough pitches to put them in position to take a walk IMO.

DeezNutz 04-20-2013 03:45 PM

No power and mediocre OBP? We've never seen this before from KC.

Bowser 04-20-2013 03:48 PM

This is the team Dayton wanted. We finally have fantastic starting pitching, and a bunch of hitters that have doubles potential.

You will never win anything in the American League without at least one legit power guy in your lineup, and you could probably argue that you would need two. This team doesn't have anyone that's hitting home runs past the 20's, much less the 30's.

GloryDayz 04-20-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever (Post 9607793)
You're an idiot. I don't think any of these guys give me the impression that they "don't care"... Maybe when this was happening to Greinke during his Cy Young year that was the case.

You're a tool...... Are done name-calling now?

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

GloryDayz 04-20-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 9607884)
**** Neil diamonds off pitch old ass

lol

**** Boston too

Well said... Rep!!!

BigMeatballDave 04-20-2013 04:02 PM

Hos is really trying my patients.

Bowser 04-20-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9607980)
Hos is really trying my patients.

I bet your patience, too!

Mr. Laz 04-20-2013 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9607951)
This is the team Dayton wanted. We finally have fantastic starting pitching, and a bunch of hitters that have doubles potential.

You will never win anything in the American League without at least one legit power guy in your lineup, and you could probably argue that you would need two. This team doesn't have anyone that's hitting home runs past the 20's, much less the 30's.

This is the team all the baseball traditionalists want

Baseball 101 ... pitching and defense

You never pull your closer ... blah,blah,blah ... douche,douche ... etc,etc

Deberg_1990 04-20-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9607951)
This is the team Dayton wanted. We finally have fantastic starting pitching, and a bunch of hitters that have doubles potential.

You will never win anything in the American League without at least one legit power guy in your lineup, and you could probably argue that you would need two. This team doesn't have anyone that's hitting home runs past the 20's, much less the 30's.


Pitching , defense and slap hitters. Too bad its not 1977 anymore.
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MIAdragon 04-20-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9608056)
Pitching , defense and slap hitters. Too bad its not 1977 anymore.
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True, but it's not a power league anymore either. San Fran won the WS in 12 and ranked dead LAST in HR's.

DeezNutz 04-20-2013 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 9608067)
True, but it's not a power league anymore either. San Fran won the WS in 12 and ranked dead LAST in HR's.

Yeah, uh, no.

SF was 6th in runs scored, 7th in doubles, and 1st in triples. "Power" doesn't have to be the long ball, but it sure doesn't hurt.

It's a power league.

GloryDayz 04-20-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 9608067)
True, but it's not a power league anymore either. San Fran won the WS in 12 and ranked dead LAST in HR's.

Your avatar's nipples are still awesome!

MIAdragon 04-20-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9608074)
Yeah, uh, no.

SF was 6th in runs scored, 7th in doubles, and 1st in triples. "Power" doesn't have to be the long ball, but it sure doesn't hurt.

It's a power league.

Are doubles and triples more a product of speed than simply raw power?

MIAdragon 04-20-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9608080)
Your avatar's nipples are still awesome!

Id take the ass in yours over those nips any day of the week.

alnorth 04-20-2013 05:51 PM

Will Smith is going to be called up.

No one sent down because of the new CBA rules on day/night double-headers. For one day only, we get to have a 26-man active roster.

mr. tegu 04-20-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9608130)
Will Smith is going to be called up.

No one sent down because of the new CBA rules on day/night double-headers. For one day only, we get to have a 26-man active roster.

It's crazy that we really don't have any kind of rotation controversy considering where we were last season at this time.

MIAdragon 04-20-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9608130)
Will Smith is going to be called up.

No one sent down because of the new CBA rules on day/night double-headers. For one day only, we get to have a 26-man active roster.

We're going to start a kid we received in the big trade with the Dodgers. Allen Webster, should be interesting at least.

GloryDayz 04-20-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 9608116)
Id take the ass in yours over those nips any day of the week.

What if they're the same woman? JFC......

mr. tegu 04-20-2013 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 9608189)
We're going to start a kid we received in the big trade with the Dodgers. Allen Webster, should be interesting at least.

Sweet. If he is a first time starter that is just what we need...hopefully. We will be going with Guthrie and Santana who have been pretty dang good. Though Guthrie may have trouble given his propensity to be a fly ball pitcher.

Shogun 04-20-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9608193)
What if they're the same woman? JFC......

His av is a doll, not a real person. I cant remember where I saw the pic, but I PM'd him immediately ROFL

Anyways. Tough loss to swallow. Could have had it, so many chances squandered away. Herrera needs to get it figured out, as do Hos and Moose. Cant have them come up short in big situations. SPitching has been phenominal so Cant complain there, just need the run support.

ChiefsCountry 04-20-2013 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9608130)
Will Smith is going to be called up.

No one sent down because of the new CBA rules on day/night double-headers. For one day only, we get to have a 26-man active roster.

Good thing Omaha was in Nashville, the closest PCL team to the east coast. Makes for at least a managable flight to Boston if he is needed.

MIAdragon 04-20-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9608198)
Sweet. If he is a first time starter that is just what we need...hopefully. We will be going with Guthrie and Santana who have been pretty dang good. Though Guthrie may have trouble given his propensity to be a fly ball pitcher.

Yep, first taste of the bigs, in fact he only has 10 innings over AA ball.

DeezNutz 04-20-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 9608115)
Are doubles and triples more a product of speed than simply raw power?

I agree that triples can be a combination of speed and luck, but doubles are a legit metric in my view.

This is a bit of the evidence I've used in the past when people would kill Butler for his "lack of power."

Is it unlikely that a team is high in runs scored, doubles, AND triples in a single year? Maybe to a certain extent. But I also guarantee that you can't have a roster of Getz and Dyson clones and accomplish this feat, either.

ChiTown 04-20-2013 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9607758)
OK.

Keep the margins razor thin and see what happens over the course of a season.

No shit. Pitching has been great by comparison of our absolutely pathetic bullshit run production and lack of any power whatsoever. I am done with Moose. He sucks worse than I would have ever expected. Hosmer has been a gigantic vagina since after his rookie season. This ****ing lineup = shit.

Nightfyre 04-20-2013 08:19 PM

Half the people in this thread would be grateful if we shipped off Hosmer and Moose to another organization today. However, I firmly believe we have a systemic problem which is preventing our players from achieving their power potential. These players would land with an organization like the Rays and turn into superstars.

Al Bundy 04-20-2013 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9608512)
Half the people in this thread would be grateful if we shipped off Hosmer and Moose to another organization today. However, I firmly believe we have a systemic problem which is preventing our players from achieving their power potential. These players would land with an organization like the Rays and turn into superstars.

Moose probably would, however Hosmer is a contract guy, and by that I mean someone that will only try during a contract season, I can tell by his swing he just doesn't care. I really would be happy if they were gone, traded for some other pieces, an established bat.

Nightfyre 04-20-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9608526)
Moose probably would, however Hosmer is a contract guy, and by that I mean someone that will only try during a contract season, I can tell by his swing he just doesn't care. I really would be happy if they were gone, traded for some other pieces, an established bat.

Oh, we're gonna hear this shit from you all year again.

Al Bundy 04-20-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9608530)
Oh, we're gonna hear this shit from you all year again.

Until those 2 learn to how to hit, then yes your are. Those 2 are BUMS and cost us the game big time today. Those 2 combined will lose far more games this year than they will win.

GloryDayz 04-20-2013 09:21 PM

I'm glad the "feel sorry for those ****ers" day is over. Let's hope we kick their useless asses tomorrow (twice!!!!!!!!!!!!)...

TLO 04-20-2013 09:52 PM

Will both games be televised tomorrow?

SPchief 04-20-2013 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 9608719)
Will both games be televised tomorrow?

Yep, FSKC

Prison Bitch 04-20-2013 09:55 PM

They both need to be sent down. This isn't a hobby this is a business. GTFO is f you suck or don't care

TLO 04-20-2013 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 9608723)
Yep, FSKC

PBJ

Let's win two tomorrow!

MIAdragon 04-20-2013 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9608656)
I'm glad the "feel sorry for those ****ers" day is over. Let's hope we kick their useless asses tomorrow (twice!!!!!!!!!!!!)...

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