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Welp, there's another book I need to read.

Shatner's ST memories books were great.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9195793)

That's supposedly the story Nicholas Meyer tells in "The View from the Bridge: memories of Star Trek and a life in Hollywood" (2009). I've never read the book myself, so I have to go on quotes I found elsewhere:

p. 203:
Originally we had hoped to lure Kirstie Alley back to reprise her character as Saavik--her backstory from the other films would have made this especially poignant--but once again she declined.

p. 212:
As I have noted, in an ideal world Valeris should have been the stalwart Saavik, a character we had already come to love. And trust. This would have sharpened the pain of her betrayal, but absent Kirstie Alley, we decided it would be better to introduce a new character.

Wow, that's cool!

Had Kirstie Alley remained part of the Star Trek franchise, that turn would have rivaled any villan in recent Sci Fi history and probably rank among the top Sci Fi villains of all time.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9195814)

Would have probably been more tragic than villainous. Saavik was half-Romulan and Alley's Saavik displayed emotion in WOK (primarily arrogance, but she cried at Spock's funeral). Had she been in love with Kirk's wimpy son, it would have been perfect motivation, and of course mirrored Kirk's own motivation for hating the Klingons. Saavik having an epic meltdown after getting busted could well have been the most poignant scene in Star Trek history. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9195850)

She was half-Romulan?

Wow, that clinches it: My Star Trek knowledge is weak at best.

:redface:

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9195853)

She was half-Romulan?

Wow, that clinches it: I don't know anything about Star Trek!

:redface:

You would have had to read the novel to pick that up - the scenes establishing her backstory were cut from the movie.

However, she acts more Romulan than Vulcan.

From IMDB:

When Sci Fi Channel aired this movie on television, Leonard Nimoy appeared on-screen during commercial breaks, explaining various memories and trivia about the film. One of the items was the character backstory of Lt. Saavik (Kirstie Alley), who was intended to have Romulan/Vulcan heritage, which would have made her more emotional than a pureblood Vulcan. Three hints at this remain in the final film: during the Kobayashi Maru simulation, she says to herself, "Damn!"; she gasps in shock when Scotty appears on the bridge with midshipman Peters' injured body; and she is emotionally moved by Kirk's eulogy.

It should be noted that Nimoy's greatest failure as a ST director was ruining Saavik. Nimoy had Robin Curtis play Saavik as a straight Vulcan. She's essentially a completely different character in III, and is basically the original cast's Wesley Crusher.

Ironically, Robin Curtis played a Vulcan in a TNG episode who had gone nuts and displayed real emotion. It was a far better portrayal than her sad, wooden Saavik.

Drew from Hitfix has seen the 9 minute prologue already:

Spoiler!

Even now, at the end of the nine-minute presentation, I cannot conclusively tell you who Benedict Cumberbatch is playing. We do meet him very early in the footage, though. The film starts with an alarm clock going off, waking a married couple played by Nazneen Contractor and Noel Clarke. They quickly get ready, peeking out their window at the rainy cityscape of London in the year 2259. They drive to the London Children's Hospital to visit their little girl, who appears to be aging prematurely, sick and near-bald, completely unresponsive. Clarke walks outside to catch some air and try to pull himself together, and someone steps up behind him to say, "I can save her." Clarke turns around and we get our first look at Cumberbatch.

Clarke asks, incredulous, "Who are you?" and before we can get the answer to the question, we cut away to a Class M Planet called Nibiru, where we catch up with the crew of the starship Enterprise. We were asked not to provide a complete blow-by-blow of what you'll see, but I can tell you that much of the footage you saw in the announcement video last week was taken from this early part of the film, including Bones and Kirk (Karl Urban and Chris Pine) fleeing through a strange red jungle, chased by a group of aliens because they evidently stole a sacred scroll from them. At the same time, Spock (Zachary Quinto) is onboard a shuttlecraft piloted by Sulu (John Cho), getting ready for his descent into a volcano. While the Prime Directive is definitely a primary concern for the crew, they are determined to stop the volcano from extinguishing an entire race of aliens who are not yet ready for space travel, and Spock's the one who has to actually descend into the active and about-to-erupt main crater.

And where's the Enterprise during all this? Hidden underwater in one of Nibiru's oceans, of course.

The stuff with Kirk and McCoy is very funny, and a nice reminder of just how strong the chemistry is with this cast. Same with the stuff between Uhura (Zoe Saldana) and Spock. The moment they bring in the main theme by Michael Giacchino is perfect, lovely and thrilling at the same time. I really love the look of these films, and the alien world is beautifully realized, as is the London of the future. I like that we pick up with the crew in the middle of an adventure and we see how they've come together now with the time that has passed since the end of the first film. Abrams and his screenwriting team, Robert Orci, Alex Kurtzman, and Damon Lindelof, all seem to get the dynamic that makes Kirk, Spock, and McCoy such great archetypes, and it really crystallizes in a moment where Kirk asks McCoy what Spock would do if it were him inside the volcano in peril in a situation where any effort to help is going to violate the Prime Directive. McCoy growls," He'd let you die," and there's no arguing his point.

Obviously the prologue is just a tease, but we'll have more on the film for you this week as we head down to Bad Robot for a full presentation on the movie.

Who knows? We may even finally answer Noel Clarke's question

Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/motion-capture...gErXj2GyjUr.99

Holy shit, please tell me they didn't put a planet called Nibiru into this. LMAO

Planet X nutjobs gonna love that.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9194846)

Star Trek V was pure comedy gold.

Row, row, row your boat.......

By comedy gold, do you mean a steaming pile of dung?

People of our generation are watching this load of horse $#!+ ?

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Originally Posted by Guitarkore (Post 9197914)

People of our generation are watching this load of horse $#!+ ?

You can type the word "shit," Spanky. Really, it's okay.

For example, I might say, your horseshit opinion really sucks ass.

Any questions?

heheh......JJ is eating this shit up......NOw its being revealed that Cumberbatch is playing a character named John Harrison. Harrison was a "red shirt" guy who showed up in several TOS episodes.........Alot of diehards still think its Khan somehow.....

http://badassdigest.com/2012/12/10/c....-john-harrson

Here's an interesting development in the "Who The Hell Is Benedict Cumberbatch Playing" mystery surrounding Star Trek Into Darkness: a new still from Paramount identifies his character as John Harrison.

There is, to the best of my knowledge, no canon John Harrison in the Star Trek universe. It's been stated that Cumberbatch is playing a canon character. So what the hell?

My two thoughts:

1) The caption is a lie. I mean, he may be calling himself 'John Harrison,' but that's not who he really is. That's a name he's using for most of the film before a big reveal as to who he actually is.

2) He's Harrison, a minor recurring crew member from the original series who bounced around from assigment to assignment, variously being in a red security shirt, a technician in sickbay and a gold shirted member of the bridge crew. He's not really a character, so much as he's a background actor who keeps popping up. He's technically canon, though, and his name is certainly mentioned in the show.

I've had a number of sources tell me that Cumberbatch is Khan. I could be getting played - JJ Abrams' mystery box system involves disinformation. The IMAX prologue that played for journalists yesterday hints at Khan - Giacchino's score quotes Khan's theme, and Spock drops the 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one' line - but I guess it could all be a big game. A weird game, but a big game nonetheless.

My gut instinct is that the answer is #1. John Harrison is the name Cumberbatch's character is using. He reveals his true identity later, probably when he reveals that he wanted to get captured by the heroes (a la Avengers, Skyfall, etc - it's an old plot device, but it's been getting a lot of use lately).

A sidenote: John Harrison Suratt was one of the conspirators who was involved in the plot to kill Abraham Lincoln. His mother, Mary Surratt, was hung for her role. Surratt himself escaped the country and returned later, after the statute of limitations expired. Could this fake name be taken in reference to this historical figure? Screenwriter Roberto Orci is a HUGE conspiracy nut, so it makes some sense.

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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one

This has gone too far.

JJ's being a dumbass.

Carol Marcus confirmed.

http://www.filmthrasher.com/2012/12/...firmed-to.html

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Multiple reports from inside the conference reveal that Alice Eve will be playing the role of Dr. Carol Marcus in Star Trek Into Darkness. Marcus is a character displayed in perhaps the most acclaimed Star Trek film to date Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and was previously portrayed by Bibi Besch.

Carol Marcus not only is an important character for the role of Khan but also for Captain Kirk as well. When they were younger, most likely the years displayed within Darkness, Marcus and Kirk are in love and eventually have a child together. However when they come to the realization that they are of two different worlds with Kirk exploring the galaxy and constantly on leave, they separate.

Marcus comes back into the picture when her Genesis Device is stolen by Khan. With the ability to turn uninhabitable planets ready to sustain life once more, it's unknown whether or not we could see this plot point once more on the big screen. With a new timeline being established in the predecessor and giving significant changes to exactly what we've seen before, it's uncertain exactly what new direction the history of these characters could take.

But here's an interesting question: does Marcus' involvement mean Cumberbatch could be Khan? Yes, we understand it's quite the stretch, especially with this being the early years of the Carol/Kirk relationship.The stronger speculated villains thus far include Sybock, Gary Mitchell and Khan, the identity of Cumberbatch has been kept quiet. But according to TrekMovie's comments sections, there is in fact an Enterprise crew member "Harrison" who appeared numerous times in the original series. Given that Benicio del Toro was once in contention to play Cumberbatch's role, and del Toro has a similar appearance to Harrison, could this former redshirt be the identity of our mystery antagonist?