Top DC Candidate
 

As I mentioned on this site days before any media last week, the top DC candidate for the Chiefs is going to be Monte Kiffin. He would also bring Rod Marinelli as his line coach.

I've been told it's his job to turn down and they think he wants it.

I think Kiffin has evolved some and doesn't run a straight Tampa 2 anymore, but and the personnel is an interesting fit.

Dorsey would be in huge consideration to be re-signed.

Hali, Dorsey, Poe, ?

Houston, ?, DJ - I think DJ would slide into the Derrick Brooks role.

I hated the hire at first, but I'm not completely against it now. I hate the Tampa 2 defense, but I think Kiffin recognizes he can't run that solely with the offenses of today.

Will be interesting. Just thought I'd share.

that's......terrible

I'll let it all play out before I jump all over it.

There's talent here to make it work. Eric Berry has said that at Tennessee, Kiffin didn't run a straight Tampa 2.

Shit

Offer Capers the sun and moon to move...

Capers is a better choice

eh...he couldn't make it work in college...and he's 109 years old

we haven't been able (or willing) to identify good young coordinators ever, so i shouldn't be surprised...

Watching every USC game the past year... Kiffin did not impress with superior talent.

USC pushed him out the door....

Instead of starting another thread, Peter King mentioned today in MMQB that he thinks Reid will bring Todd Pedersen with him (QB coach) and promote him to OC.

Capers wouldn't make a lateral move.

Not a fan of Kiffin at all. Would love to have seen Greene/Moss.

Sure, but it's a lateral move.

Thanks for sharing. I dont think this would be the worst thing in the world. We do have a good start to Kiffin's type of defense, but I'd almost rather have the type of defense that attacks more.

Thanks for sharing, but damn. That's depressing. Not a fan of the Tampa 2.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Kiffin will croak sometime in the next week. Dude is ancient.

Well on the bright side the scheme will bring out Berry's talents to the max

That's... Doug Pederson

If I were Reid, I'd see if I could lure him away with saying the defense is yours. I won't **** with you. Oh, and here's thirteen kazillion dollars.

Wasn't Kiffin the one who misused Berry his senior year and caused him to slow up his production compared to his sophomore and junior seasons?

One positive about Kiffin...I think he'd instantly make Eric Berry a player worthy of his Pro Bowl selection by returning him to the role he played at Tennessee.

If that's the case, and Reid doesn't like any of the QBs at #1.....then I could see them taking someone like Moore out of Texas A&M to play DE.

He may not be the best choice, but he is a defensive innovator and he did create one of the greatest defensive schemes in the NFL for the time. I would like to see that mentality on defense again. Attacking from the DL.

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I really didn't pay much attention to college at that point in time. If thats the case then ****.

Wow, thats ****ed... color me very disappointed.

I hope there is a conference soon so Reid can tell us why this is the move he wants to make, whats the big advantage? i'm dying to know.

That softens the blow a little bit, in more ways than one.

We all saw Eric Berry in college. If we could get THAT on the field in KC, Kiffin is worth it.

As long as we don't try to move BOTH Hali and Houston to DE, I'll keep an open mind. I just don't want to see teams pounding us with the run every week.

After listening to folks over the weekend and looking at a lot of the chatter about front office and coaching staff candidates, I get the feeling they're going to try and build a defense the way Seattle has done it.

That wouldn't be the end of the world.

I get that Kiffin wouldn't be operating the Tampa 2 that much, but that's not what concerns me. I REALLY didn't want to switch back to the 4-3, and now that looks like it will be almost necessary.

This bums me out. Happy Monday :(

Thanks for sharing, but I hope your source is WRONG. **** I don't want Kiffin at all.

Berry didn't play his senior year at Tennessee.

I'm against the Tampa 2.

Fighting against a change to the 4-3 seems like a lost cause at this point. They're going to do it.

Dumb to change now.

Where does that leave Houston? I know he played DE at Georgia.

SO MANY QUESTIONS!

One step forward two steps back.

Damit Clark! You want to be like Pittsburgh then set the tone. Build a badass attacking D and never let the well run dry on talent. Keep it stocked. Also acquire a franchise QB. It's going to be hard to do if everytime we hire a new HC we change the damn defensive scheme.

Interesting.

As I said in the other thread, I am all for Reid's decisions until he ****s them up and right now he is batting 0 for 0.

Crazy that they wasted Dorsey's whole first contract trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, now after it is over, the round hole would be there.

TJ is finally starting to play like a draftable talent, albeit not 3rd overall. He would not fit in the 4-3, correct?

He would fit, but they aren't paying him that bonus or the base salary next year.

I wouldn't be so sure. In a 2-gap 4-3, you could play Jackson at DE and run Houston behind him at OLB.

I guess we'll see.

We could tack on the "assistant HC" label or some other BS title and about $2 mil a year...

True.

I think they outlawed that.

I do not want Kiffin, but the above is a myth. USC did not have superior talent on defense. They lacked depth and most of the hits from ncaa sanctions were on defense.

USC defensive players drafted by year:

2009 - 8
2010 - 3
2011 - 3
2012 - 1

****.

Gawd I hate teh lawyers...

I thought he looked best this season when they moved him inside on passing downs. Could see him as a DE on early downs (rushing plays) and then move inside as a penetrating DT on pass plays? Maybe?

I initially hated the idea of kiffin but it's growing on me.

Didn't realize he runs the under. It's not Tampa 2. It's a very aggressive defense. It's what Seattle runs. Best news is it would be an easy transition. It's basically a 4-3 that uses 3-4 personnel.

Now.. This isn't his baby. Kiffin adapted to this defense and struggled with it at USC. But I love the scheme for kc.

Jackson is the guy I think would be the worst fit in a 4-3.

Powe/Poe and Dorsey (if resigned) could handle DT in a rotation.

I don't like Hali as a 4-3 OLB and he's not strong enough to play the end...

Any DC that can work with our talent and exploit what we have....that's what I'm for. Schemes generally don't excite me. Having said that, I'd prefer a coach that can employ a 34-43 hybrid that's super-aggressive.

So they are just going to lose him you think? Maybe he will give the Chiefs a discount since he has been way overpaid?

Would he then become a rushing DE, instead of just eating up blockers?
I would love to see them get some return on that huge investment.

Told you guys this was coming. All signs were pointing to the 4-3 under which the likes of Kiffin, Jauron and Seattle runs.

It is actually a defense that s similar to the 3-4.

If he runs the under it is not a 4-3. It is an attacking defense using 3-4 personnel

Jauron runs a pure 4-3, I believe. The others run a hybrid.

Jauron ran a under at times while at Cleveland but yes he is more of your standard 4-3 guy.

Kiffin is the one that runs the under more so than his old Tampa 2. Remember before he developed the Tampa 2, Kiffin was the master of the 4-3 under while at Nebraska and Arkansas. Pete Carroll learned the 4-3 under from Kiffin at Arkansas.

So he abandoned the Tampa 2? I had not heard that.

If he's running the under, well... :hmmm:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...4&postcount=25

We better get pretty damn bad ass on the Dline fast then.

By the way, if we go with the under defense, either Hali or Houston will be playing DE but not both.

As others have stated, it uses 30 front personnel.

Chris Clemons is only about 260 but the guy opposite him runs like 320.

Te Interesting. I'm okay with the defense. Figuring out if I'm OK with kiffi
n. I love Seattle defense and Cleveland defense was good considering the lack of talent.

well, that sounds better than father time trying to run the tampa 2...

i'm still jumpy from PPSD....post-pioli stress syndrome

I think we have the DT's for it to work well. Poe as a 1-Tech and Dorsey (if we re-sign him) as the 3-Tech. This would be the best fit for Dorsey IMO... Remember Warren Sapp was tremendous under Kiffin as a 3-Tech. Rod Marinelli would be great for our DL!

Hali would likely play WDE and Houston would play the SLB spot that resembles as 3-4 SOLB.

If this is true, Hali is the natural fit...he's played DE before and he's not the ascending pass rusher. I want Houston able to fly and crush Manning's neck into the ground...

Is the Denver set up considered a 4-3 under?

I think you mean Doug Huard.

Also, I'm just fine with having Liza Manelli coaching our defensive line.

It's about time we brought in a defensive line coach with a ****.

So then he'd roll with a d-line like this?

Poe - Dorsey - Hali?

THIS.

It's going to take a while to accept competence from the staff and FO of this organization, should this actually prove true.

In a 4-3 under, one of your 3-4 OLBs has his hand in the dirt.

As it stands TODAY (and remember, both Dorsey and Jackson have contract situations), it would be:

Jackson - Poe - Dorsey - Hali

I always felt like we wasted Jackson and Dorsey in the first place playing a 3-4. We never found a good NT, although maybe Poe would get there. I think I have zero problem going back to the 4-3. We won't need to waste time finding a unicorn at NT and can just go after pass rushers.

Kiffin's old but at least he doesn't need help running the D. That's the concern with Reid. I'm not against hiring an inexperienced guy but if he's in over his head we're screwed. They need to hire someone Reid can just leave alone with the defense.
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Bad news is, as somebody already pointed out:

It's possible this coaching staff will deem drafting Demontre Moore more important than taking the top QB :grr:

Gotcha. I still think Jackson is gone. Dorsey would be a good fit....but only if he comes back under a better contract. Are you looking for more of a run stuffer in Jackson's spot or a pass rusher?

I'm obviously not familiar with the defense.

DL would go big SDE (could Jackson play this?), 1-Tech in Poe, 3-Tech in Dorsey and then WDE in Hali. Houston would be the SLB and line up right beside the SDE similar to a 3-4 look. DJ would likely be the WLB if I were to guess and we would bring in a MLB (draft Arthur Brown? or a FA pick-up?).

Another article talking 4-3 under scheme.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2009/7/...uction-the-4-3

Basically this defense still asks a lot from Hali (WDE) and Houston (SLB)!

Kiffin is a defensive genius. If he can adapt, I'm all about it. Andy needs someone desperately who can field a defense for him. We have plenty of toys for Monte to play with. Get another DE, and we're good.

We've got to cut Tyson Jackson. He's a 3-4 end due $17 million. And it took him too ****ing long to start showing anything in the damn 3-4. He's got to go.

Based on how Jackson responded when moved inside for pass rushing makes me think he would do well as a strong side DE in the 4-3.

I don't see why Justin Houston couldn't thrive in a Von Miller type role :shrug: he ran a 4.62 which is plenty fast

Remember the Seahawks SDE is Red Bryant... Monster DE. Jackson has the size but is he good enough?

Nice. I could see the team making this transition. Seems like a lot would depend upon Hali's ability to beat the LT and us getting a good ILB in the draft, which we need anyway. I think with this defensive scheme a safety tandem of Eric Berry and Matt Elam would beast.

The Seahawks defensive line.

Red Bryant (6'4" 323) - Alan Branch (6'6" 325) - Brandon Mebane (6'1" 311) - Chris Clemons (6'3" 254)

Glad we are going back to the 4-3.

I think this is a terrible idea.

You cannot have 0 pass rush coming from a DE spot in the 4-3.

Nor can you have a guy 270 lbs in coverage like Houston.

Houston has to play DE in the 4-3. Period.

Kansas City Chiefs, training ground for the NFL. /Pollard, Carr, Fujita, Mcbride, etc. etc.

Yup.

I see no place for him here in a 4-3.

In a 3-4 he could be a backup, but too expensive for that.

Bye.

Feel free to destroy it....but what about a defensive line like this?

Poe - Powe - Dorsey - Hali

Might well be able to renegotiate that contract with Jackson and keep him.