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MagicHef 10-19-2012 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9029036)
I know this took a lot of work to put together, but I have trouble saying this is conclusive evidence that the guy sucks since a majority of players drafted don't end up doing much in the league. My hypothesis would be that most GMs have a negative rating on average, but I don't know that for sure. Would it be possible to find someone else to compare/contrast with?

(And if not, I completely understand. I can't imagine that was quick to put together.)

Good idea. Here's what Elway has done:

Drafts:

2011
Von Miller +32.2
Rahim Moore +2.9
Orlando Franklin +4.3
Nate Irving 0
Quinton Carter +0.1
Julius Thomas 0
Mike Mohamed 0
Virgil Green 0
Jeremy Beal 0
Chris Harris -0.2

2012
Derek Wolfe -12.1
Brock Osweiler 0
Ronnie Hillman 0.8
Omar Bolden -1.5
Philip Blake 0
Malik Jackson 0.2
Danny Trevathan -2.4
Aaron Brewer 0
Steven Johnson 0

FA/Trades:

2011
Daniel Fells -1.9
Derrick Harvey -2
Willis McGahee +3.2
Dante Rosario -0.6
Ty Warren -0.1
Jeremy Jarmon 0
Broderick Bunkley +5.7

2012
Mike Adams +1.1
Justin Bannan +7.0
Andre Caldwell -0.1
C.J. Davis 0
Joel Dreessen +3.3
Caleb Hanie 0
Peyton Manning +13.9
Tracy Porter -1.1
Brandon Stokley +8.3
Jacob Tamme +4.9
Chris Gronkowski -0.4

Drafts:
+24.3 Total
+1.28 Average

FA/Trade
+41.2 Total
+2.29 Average

Sorry for no fancy colors, hard to do on my phone.

Hammock Parties 10-19-2012 09:04 AM

Haha, Broncos fans bringing the pain.

Outstanding.

The Franchise 10-19-2012 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9029386)
ON the roster GoChiefs posted, I can forgive Berry, Poe, Routt, Breaston, Moeaki, Allen, and Stephenson.


However, when you compare them to the players drafted immediately after them and our team needs, you start thinking "WTF!!!!!!!"

**** Moeaki. He passed up three stud TEs for that broke ass piece of shit. I don't forgive him for that. And Stephenson was a wasted pick.

And how do you forgive him for Breaston? He was a good pickup that got stuck on the bench so that his 2nd round midget could shine.

The Franchise 10-19-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9030298)
Good idea. Here's what Elway has done:

Drafts:

2011
Von Miller +32.2
Rahim Moore +2.9
Orlando Franklin +4.3

Nate Irving 0
Quinton Carter +0.1
Julius Thomas 0
Mike Mohamed 0
Virgil Green 0
Jeremy Beal 0

Chris Harris -0.2

2012
Derek Wolfe -12.1
Brock Osweiler 0
Ronnie Hillman 0.8
Omar Bolden -1.5
Philip Blake 0
Malik Jackson 0.2
Danny Trevathan -2.4
Aaron Brewer 0
Steven Johnson 0


FA/Trades:

2011
Daniel Fells -1.9
Derrick Harvey -2

Willis McGahee +3.2
Dante Rosario -0.6
Ty Warren -0.1

Jeremy Jarmon 0
Broderick Bunkley +5.7

2012
Mike Adams +1.1
Justin Bannan +7.0

Andre Caldwell -0.1
C.J. Davis 0
Joel Dreessen +3.3
Caleb Hanie 0
Peyton Manning +13.9
Tracy Porter -1.1
Brandon Stokley +8.3
Jacob Tamme +4.9

Chris Gronkowski -0.4

Drafts:
+24.3 Total
+1.28 Average

FA/Trade
+41.2 Total
+2.29 Average

Sorry for no fancy colors, hard to do on my phone.

There.....I did the work for you.

TEX 10-19-2012 09:46 AM

Year 4 of Pioli...ROFL

DaFace 10-19-2012 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9030298)
Good idea. Here's what Elway has done:

Drafts:

2011
Von Miller +32.2
Rahim Moore +2.9
Orlando Franklin +4.3
Nate Irving 0
Quinton Carter +0.1
Julius Thomas 0
Mike Mohamed 0
Virgil Green 0
Jeremy Beal 0
Chris Harris -0.2

2012
Derek Wolfe -12.1
Brock Osweiler 0
Ronnie Hillman 0.8
Omar Bolden -1.5
Philip Blake 0
Malik Jackson 0.2
Danny Trevathan -2.4
Aaron Brewer 0
Steven Johnson 0

FA/Trades:

2011
Daniel Fells -1.9
Derrick Harvey -2
Willis McGahee +3.2
Dante Rosario -0.6
Ty Warren -0.1
Jeremy Jarmon 0
Broderick Bunkley +5.7

2012
Mike Adams +1.1
Justin Bannan +7.0
Andre Caldwell -0.1
C.J. Davis 0
Joel Dreessen +3.3
Caleb Hanie 0
Peyton Manning +13.9
Tracy Porter -1.1
Brandon Stokley +8.3
Jacob Tamme +4.9
Chris Gronkowski -0.4

Drafts:
+24.3 Total
+1.28 Average

FA/Trade
+41.2 Total
+2.29 Average

Sorry for no fancy colors, hard to do on my phone.

Thanks. That's very helpful!

Sorter 10-19-2012 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9030325)
**** Moeaki. He passed up three stud TEs for that broke ass piece of shit. I don't forgive him for that. And Stephenson was a wasted pick.

And how do you forgive him for Breaston? He was a good pickup that got stuck on the bench so that his 2nd round midget could shine.

I'm not forgiving Pioli. Forgiving the players for their PFF scores as I don't think they are truly indicative of either their true value (Breaston, Routt) or potential (Poe, Stephenson, Allen, Berry, Moeaki).

I can't blame the players for what Pioli does/selected. Moeaki during his rookie season seemed like a promising player. He clearly has struggled. However, that doesn't mean that I don't wish we had several other players instead of him.

Stephenson could develop into an OK LT. I don't mind the actual player. I do mind where he was selected relative to who was still available.

What I meant by "forgiving" Breaston is that I don't think Breaston's PFF rating is necessarily productive of the player he is. That applies to those I listed, although in the case of the younger guys, it is more aimed towards potential.

The Franchise 10-19-2012 10:01 AM

I still think that Stephenson pick is because Pioli is planning on gutting all of the old regime's players off of this roster. Albert will have the same "contract issues" that Bowe does.

Baldwin and McCluster were to replace Bowe.
Stephenson was to replace Albert.
Routt was to replace Carr.

Hammock Parties 10-19-2012 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9030422)
What I meant by "forgiving" Breaston is that I don't think Breaston's PFF rating is necessarily productive of the player he is.

It's indicative of the player he is under Scott Pioli.

And that's all that counts.

Sorter 10-19-2012 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9030425)
I still think that Stephenson pick is because Pioli is planning on gutting all of the old regime's players off of this roster. Albert will have the same "contract issues" that Bowe does.

Baldwin and McCluster were to replace Bowe.
Stephenson was to replace Albert.
Routt was to replace Carr.

Sadly, I agree :(

Sorter 10-19-2012 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9030431)
It's indicative of the player he is under Scott Pioli.

And that's all that counts.

:(

DMAC 10-19-2012 10:11 AM

This franchise is just fail. It will always fail. Bring in good athletes? They will fail. Culture of fail.

Rausch 10-19-2012 10:24 AM

Powe needs more time. He's a legit NT.

And the best thing Pioli can do in the 1st round moving forward is go QB or trade down...

Ace Gunner 10-19-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9030473)
Powe needs more time. He's a legit NT.

And the best thing Pioli can do in the 1st round moving forward is go QB or trade down...

You speak as if Pioli is going to be here for the draft. :shake:

mcaj22 10-19-2012 10:43 AM

do you realize how bad this team will be next year if Stephenson is suppose to be the starting LT of the future and Baldwin and McCluster are the 1 and 2 WRs

holy **** lol


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