Manziel will be a crap NFL QB. Doesn't have the size or arm strength to accomplish anything.

Don't even bother with Flutie comparisons - his arm isn't even that strong.

Kid's a great college quarterback. So was Charlie Ward.

No, 1000 times, no.

This.

Smith is a very good QB prospect, Wilson is a good one as well.

Luck and RGIII absolutely ruined draft prognostication. The 2014 class, even with Murray, will be trash. It will be what people are trying to claim this year's class is.

What Qb will be better next year?


Stop listening to Kiper and watch for yourself.


You start building with a QB. Then you build around him.

I love this place!

Don't be a neger.

I ****ing hate this place.

Probably should have thought about this prior to posting. Bad thread is bad.

No but, a franchise QB (potentially) and quality coaching will go a LONG way toward fixing this mess. See: Skins, colts & seahawks

Okay, the title is admittedly loaded to imply that I have a hard-on for Manziel. He was just an example. My point is this...

Let's say you have the 2013 prospects rated as:
Geno Smith 88
Matt Barkley 83
Tyler Wilson 83
Tyler Bray 80
Glennon 78

Okay, so Smith rates higher than the others. But, by all accounts, this is a below-average class. Why not capitalize on the increasing pressure put on teams like NYJ and Philly, and trade for a first next year, plus picks. You could likely still draft a QB with above-average skill, and use the compensatory picks to complement the team in other areas, and draft another QB next year? If the second-rounder sucks, you'll be in position to draft a better QB next year, and if you're top-five and there's a can't-miss prospect, use the top-five plus an acquired first rounder to move up.. The latter is a situation of hedged bets that doesn't end up netting anything; the alternatives all seem positive and help build the team.

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I can't speak for the Seahawks' situation, but nobody in this class (and, to be fair at the expense of my point, probably not in 2014 either) will improve a team like RGIII or Luck.

Just go drink some antifreeze.

Will do, champ. I apologize for entertaining a thought by asking for feedback.

So if we are trading back, who are teams trading up to get? A QB, of course.


And our biggest gaping hole happens to be the QB, right?


This is ****ing depressing that someone thinks this way.

There isn't going to be an Andrew Luck come out for the next decade or more. It's time to draft the best prospect in this class, who happens to be a pretty damn good prospect, and move on.