That's interesting stuff but can it be used to judge the production of each GM/team in the draft? Saying Kiper and McShay suck is fine but how do they compare to the actual guys making the picks?

How ****ing hard was that?

How many times did you tell him he was a ****ing idiot?

It was almost as bad as trying to keep a website up-to-date on AP stories and write-throughs during the NCAA basketball tournament. Almost.

I actually liked reading the scouting stuff (it wasn't all from Lande). I learned a lot from that (and was fortunate enough to have a couple of the guys willing to answer questions, watch tape with me and give me pointers, etc.)

Russ is an old-school NFL guy. That's why he always rates guys on either line so highly. It's also why he LOVES QBs who look like Mike Glennon (and I don't mean goofy - I mean tall, cement-footed pocket passers).

If I can find his original write-up of Drew Bledsoe, I'll post it on here. I wasn't working there when he did it in 94, but it was still getting passed around 10 years later...

ROFL

That's awesome.

I don't think the argument against them is totally fair, as accurate as it may be. Kiper tries to post himself as some great judge of talent. All their either of them really do is to try to guess where these players should be drafted. Kiper is more a self promoter who got himself a gig at a fledgling ESPN when they started covering the draft because he was the only draft wonk out there at the time.

And that's the most difficult part because teams often change their boards up until the last minute.

It's not like they routinely predict that fifth rounders will be first rounders or vice versa.

The thing that most hurts guys like Mayock, Kiper, etc. is that they don't have the same access to the players as the actual teams themselves, i.e., independent psych exams, medical info, aren't in the room during the interview process, etc.

Anyone who believes these guys should look at the hype Blaine Gabbert got and just laugh it off.

Blaine Gabbert was so incredibly over hyped. This is exactly what's happening with Mike Glennon.

This is a little outdated, year old, but it shows how many "can't miss" players selected in the first round tanked....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...history/page/1

I enjoy some of mayocks info especially his mock draft

Mel Kiper has nice hair.

I only listen to the ones on here.

I'm not sure why. They tell people, and enjoy other people telling them, that they are draft experts.

Sooooo Kiper can suck it.

I would still like to see evidence of someone having a consistently high percentage of hits.

My mistake, I looked at another article written by another person.

NEPD Staff Writer: Dan Hope
The first 24 picks in the NFL draft order are now set following the first round of the NFL playoffs, and with only one game remaining in bowl season as of Monday, the draft stocks of many prospects are much closer to set as well. As a result, we are in much better position than even one week ago to begin projecting who the top picks in the 2013 NFL draft will be.
The following mock draft includes projections for each pick in the first two rounds, with many new selections including a big change at the top of the draft.
Note: Underclassmen who have announced their intentions to declare for the draft and those who have not yet committed to returning to school as of Sunday are included.
Selections 25-32 are not yet set, and are based on playoff results projections.
1. Kansas City Chiefs: Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas
In Andy Reid’s first draft with the Philadelphia Eagles in 1999, they selected Donovan McNabb with the No. 2 overall pick. Reid is now the Kansas City Chiefs’ head coach, and unless the Chiefs pursue a veteran quarterback via trade or free agency, his new team will likely take the same strategy in finding their next signal-caller.
Geno Smith is considered by most as the top quarterback in this class, but his stock could be about to fall, due to some serious flaws were exposed in his game over the second half of his senior season. While this class lacks an elite quarterback, the best choice as a No. 1 overall pick would be Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, who is the most sound all-around downfield pocket passer in the class.
Wilson has the tools to be a very solid starting quarterback at the next level, and looks like the best choice for a new Kansas City regime that must upgrade over Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn under center.